How do we show them that they are voting for the communist party?
Study: Majority of democrat voters believe their party platform is libertarian
Owen Sanchez
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Jack Barnes
What study? They probably confused the word "libertarian" for "liberal".
Carter Thompson
You would have to become a popular and easily consumable form of media that people aren't ashamed of liking. Despite people's beliefs, many vote based on majority opinion.
Adrian Sanchez
And the study is my own, of my parents' household. Both of them see the democrats as they were portrayed in the 90's: pro freedom socially, and anti big evil corporations. Everyone is equal, and we can all get along.
I am terrible communicating, as you can no doubt already tell, so i would like help in red-pilling them, as i think i have worn them down a little. im afraid of not being able to think of anything, or just start listing the latest enraging headlines. i will get it started in the next post.
Logan Turner
Convince the Democrats to do communism? Idk
Nicholas Collins
Study: Majority of OPs of this thread pull fake studies out of their ass
Ryder Lewis
Ask them if the Dems will let married faggots guard their marijuana crop with assault rifles.
Communists hate gun toting faggots.
Hudson Reyes
>neolib clinton and obama are communists
retard
Jack Rivera
OK here's what i've been thinking as the opening:
In the 90's, the paradigm was that republicans were focused on theocracy, and maintaining an oppressive military of other nations to maintain their standard of living. this ties in with them being pro-big evil corporations as well.
and democrats were the .
now, the democrats are focused on identity politics, with whites being the new kulaks. i know, "the democrats are the real racists" catches flak here, but they might be amenable to a (for them) surprising flipping of conventional wisdom. the democrats are the racist(against whites), sexist(men), islamophobic(afraid to criticize), bigots(intolerance of other's opinions).
Brayden Jenkins
im sorry, i was being dishonest to get you to read this. it was a study that i did, though.
i said exactly this to them, and i think it was part of "wearing them down".
i guess i was referring to the general platform having such socialist elements, and communist strategies. And the most active, true believers of the party are college students and activist, who are absolutely communist.
Jose Bell
Anyway, unless you guys can add to this, i am terribly un-creative, so all i can think of is that little opening, with adding the history of communism and the similarities to what we see today, and then examples of indicative actions, which are not really brought up in the television media and USA today(that's how they get their news, plus maybe a yahoo news article or two). battle of Berkeley, college students acting foolish, and anti-white/anti-male news articles, etc.
so if you can't think of anything to add by way of argument/general philosophy, a list of the most telling actions recorded would be greatly appreciated. oh, maybe that BLM girl standing on the american flag in front of the soldiers? stuff like that. when i try to think of them, my mind is a blank. there's just so many of them. which are the biggest to you?
maybe i should just tell them to come here and take a look around for a couple hours every day for a few years.
Nolan Mitchell
Here's an idea. Read Rothbard's The Progressive Era. It talks about how progressivism was all set up by wannabe monopolists who were frustrated by the competition they faced from the free market. Once you know all about where progressivism came from then it should be a lot easier to explain why it is a problem.
Asher Perry
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Leo Richardson
i was thinking about this all day, and i couldn't get past just how to phrase my opening statement, and now i'm thinking that it may be a matter of encouraging them to consume alternative media.
that's another thing you guys could add to a list: alternative media.
hopefully my list of podcasts will help someone who's reading this. i think i'm asking a lot of you guys already. anything is greatly appreciated.
Introductory Tier:
Joe Rogan
Stephan Molyneux
Dave Smith
Jason Stapleton
Gavin McInnes
Owen Benjamin
Tom Woods
Dave Rubin
Stephen Crowder
Maybe later if they come around Tier:
Jim Goad
Alex Jones for laffs
American Conservative University Podcast
Jay Dyer
Other Tier:
Ben Shapiro(i don't listen anymore, he really is just a neo-con, but good introductory tier maybe)
Styxhexenhammer(not a podcast but great introductory tier)
Cameron Diaz
Here's another idea. Keith Preston uses the term "totalitarian humanism" to describe what is going on. The long and short of it is humanistic causes are being used as a means to advance totalitarian ends. Here's an article about it if you want more.
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Wyatt Jackson
I bring it up because I find the term itself useful.
Ryder Nelson
Yeah obamacare wasn't socialized medicine and socialism isn't a transitional state to marxism.
Jace Clark
Awesome thanks. Yeah, Rothbard and Mises are obligatory reads. I need to get on that more. My mom wanted to read John McCain's new book. I thought that was weird, i figured she wouldn't be interested in an old staple of the red team, as it were. are blue team starting to like him more, just for being anti trump and pro war in syria? Last i check, blue team was pro war in syria, go figure.
read more carefully, and kill yourself in shame.
thanks very much, i've never heard of any of that.
Sebastian Lewis
I would start with comedy. Dave Smith sounds like a good choice. Then later you could tell them about something funny but political you heard him say on his podcast and see how it goes.
I wouldn't try to change their minds all at once. It's like taming a wilds animal.
I don't know where you are, but another thing to keep in mind is this. If they're located somewhere like the left coast, they might need to be Democrats just to keep their jobs.
Kevin Gutierrez
I want to pump Ebola-Chan full of my cum and nourish and care for her for nine months until she gives birth to a beautiful half human/half demon child who will go out and destroy wicked humanity and lead the righteous to a glorious new age of peace and prosperity
Asher Moore
Agreed on the comedy angle. I was gonna put Nick Dipaolo, but he doesn't make the best arguments, and he got canned, so who knows if he's still doing the podcast.
They're both retired, but my dad worked for NASA, so that's gotta have a huge influence on how he sees government. That's actually one of the harder things to argue against, the Apollo program. Good thing the space shuttle came along. He tells stories of how fucking stupid and tragic that program was.
Joseph Brooks
Most voters don't vote based on ideology but on party, it's a fucking team sport and there's more Libertarians hanging around than people think based on actual policy preferences.
> only “about 17 percent of the public could both assign the terms ‘liberal’ and ‘conservative’ correctly to the parties and say something sensible about what the terms meant.”
> the internally coherent (or at least semi-coherent) ideological frameworks that drive the activities of politicians, pundits, and other political actors are foreign to most voters.
> “ideological differences,” they reported, “have little influence over opinion on immigration, affirmative action, capital punishment, gun control, Social Security, health insurance, the deficit, foreign aid, tax reform, and the war on terrorism.”
> So this, then, is the bottom line: Most voters aren’t ideologues, and even accounting for that, most ideologues aren’t particularly ideological.
> One consistent finding in Kinder and Kalmoe’s research is that party identification bests ideological identification. Most people are a Republican or a Democrat before they are a conservative or a liberal. And most people will stick with their party long after they’ve abandoned their ideology.
Yes ideaological subversion is a problem we need to reverse but we also need to get the yellow/gold team in the fuckin game.
Gavin Lewis
Another good book is Mary Ruwart's Healing Our World. If you already know a lot of theory then you might not learn anything new from it, but she does capitalize on something a lot of folks miss: Libertarian ideas can be framed as a very compassionate solution to nearly every issue. That can have a big appeal to Democrats. Even for stuff like affirmative action, for example, you can frame it so that the most compassionate approach is based on private property.
Asher Perez
> The Progressive Era - Rothbard
> The Betrayal of the American Right - Rothbard
Beyond his theoretical works, he's written some brilliant historial pieces as well. Real eye openners, red pills most on here haven't even bothered to look into.
Lucas Wilson
Yeah, I think Dave Smith would be a more natural fit since he came from the left. He released a comedy special in the last year or so that did very well on itunes. Your parents should enjoy it even if they think he's crazy.
Asher Mitchell
It's to the point where I practically assume if someone is on the left then he must hate all human life. I know that isn't really true; folks are just silly and ignorant.
Adrian Sanders
Holy shit! I've been trying to find this for a while now! Molyneux referenced a study that showed that people are largely just loyal to their team. Sounds like this is it, thanks very much.
Thats funny, i told my folks that basically, people just go along with their team(wishing i had this study at the ready), and that team blue and red are shit and we need team yellow.
Carson Walker
> Not realising that communism is a sub-category of liberalism
For shame OP XD
Brandon Hughes
Image title is the Cato article name and if you type any of that green text into google it'll show you the 2nd study.
I tell Libertarians all the time, we need to fuck off with our ideaological purity tests and grab issue voters attention until they're repping the team, build that team identity. The 3rd way, the gold team alternative whatever we need to do, from there people seem to actually defend and slowly adopt their teams ideas.
Kayden Thompson
They associate anything right wing or republican as fascist and themselves being counter to racism and fascism. That means being freedom lovers in their eyes.
Xavier Diaz
Look at what happened in Brazil with Movimento Brasil Livre....are millions of Brazilians Libertarian? No, but they're reading fuckin Ayn Rand & Mises so it's a start.
Jack Nelson
thanks very much. never heard of her. i gotta check that out. jason stapleton says "yeah i just cant do that morally" when it comes to socializing healthcare, which catches people off guard.
im writing this all down, i appreciate it. care to indulge us with one of these "infra-red" pills? Hey! Has anybody coined that term yet? Sounds like it would catch on around here. The red-pills that red-pill the red-pills themselves, or something.
To be honest, i really like him but he isn't that good of a comic. i love legion of skanks but he misses so many of the comic shots he takes. i heard some clips of his special and was not impressed. i still listen every episode though.
Jordan Reyes
infra-red pill sounds cool.
Betrayal of the American Right outlines how a prodominantly classically liberal mainstream was attacked by socialists and neocons in a pincer that created the new left/right we see today.
It's full of interesting easter eggs about events people don't know much about but its fascinating and depressing at the same time.
Elijah Bell
well now im really confused. i do realize that, although its a moot point. right?
"I'm driving this bus to freedom town. You can get off the bus at anytime, and I won't judge you for it, but I'm driving there." Thanks for the article.
"They" do, the true believers, activists, etc. My parents though, will listen to reason. Hell, just recently, she told me i had changed her mind, from anti-military style rifle rights, to pro-gun rights. She used the term "military-style weapons", but I let it go for now, and took the W, and thanked her. The "they" you're referring to can be saved too, i think. just agree with them until there's a logical flaw, and innocently ask them about it. or, agree with them absurdum-ad-infinitum.
That's nice, i hope it really becomes something. i won't be holding my breath for them to statistically join the yellow team, so to speak.
Luke Sanchez
i do too, user, i do too.
i don't think this would convince my parents at this time. they're not just there yet.