Every day the USA looks more like Weimar. We are due for a new ideology to arise in the frustration that the polarized left-right paradigm has produced. People want a third way and the lolbertarians fucking blew it in 2016. I think a large number of Reds would probably be on board with a populist resurgence of values and honor given a few more years of degradation and badgering by the leftist media machine. Every day centrists are being steeled against the progressive left.
Up until now, I've been mostly fascinated with Nazi esoterics, but I'm at the point where I would like to explore the ideology a bit more in depth. I don't know enough about the inner workings to understand how it could be projected into our current world. What are some easily accessible texts or resources (IE not convoluted) to start off the journey off?
The problem is that American "liberals" and "conservatives" are literally the same fucking thing with minor differences that don't mean anything in the long run. Both are based in the same democratic, egalitarian, Enlightenment thought that destroyed Western civilization. Fascism was destroyed as an ideology after the good guys lost WWII, and the term is now synonymous with "anything I don't like". America and Europe are doomed to become Brazil, and later South Africa, and there's nothing anyone can do about it.
Oliver Cooper
Dark but I disagree. Right-wingers are becoming more and more polarized by whats going on. Where perhaps it was fine to be egalitarian, the mood is shifting to be more aggressive to anything that is resembling the leftist ideology. The right movement just has to shield them and stoke the fires to let it run free. If somehow the threat to their livelihood could be removed, I think a lot of things would be possible once initially set in motion. People aren't any smarter than they used to be, they just need a proper leader and he has not emerged.
Austin Ward
>right wing They're liberals. People who believe in egalitarianism are either liberals or communists. Conservatism is just a brand of liberalism, in the same way Trotskyism is a brand of communism.
Ryder Powell
I guess what I'm trying to say is, the "right" is seems more likely to throw egalitarianism out with the rest of the liberal bath water, as they readily identify their own differences from everybody who believes in egalitarianism. That break would come with a similar break from the common "republican" concept. At this point more people than ever are probably ready to abandon the system, and the sooner we get to a collapse, the more people who will recognize the need for order.
Noah James
IE, im not the same as a tranny, gender queer, communist, we arent the same... It's literally a week of reading to get from "I'm not into trannies" to "blacks aren't like us and we can prove it." Propaganda might take a little bit longer, but alternative networks where it can exist without perturbation are rising up.
Charles Ward
dont post a great man like George Lincoln Rockwell with something stupid like the skull mask. He wasn’t some anonymous coward
another example would be Patrick little... at 18% in california of all places... Think about that sort of guy edging in, and another 15 years down the line, you could easily have pushed the culture window into a receptive position.
Ayden Perez
Baby boomers are one of the worst generations this county has known. >Flower power pinkos who pushed the give-away of our country to the third world. >thinks watching black and white videos of laser-guided missiles slamming into Syrian/Libyan/ targets is awesome >neocon wars >Based Black Guy who is a republican who appears in Fox News and says “democrats are the REAL racists” is their hero >tommy bahama island vacation degeneracy They have absolutely failed us and our children, and will look at the terrible mess they’ve created and blame millenials for using paper towels instead of napkins. They’ll raise batshit insane antifa children and blame millenials. But I have hope in our generation, and whites are being pushed into a corner
Isaac Thomas
What about italian style fascism rather than nazism?
James Brooks
Yes, but it will not be national socialism which is a Germanic interpretation for Germanic psychology and spirit. The more fluid fascism of Mussolini that allows for national interpretation is the best hope, rather than trying to recreate a specific system geared for a specific moment in time. Fascism in America will have to be an American fascism, this applies for fascism in any other country. They may all converge toward something similar in the end but the process needs to be organic. Drawing inspiration from the past is perfectly fine but historical reenactment is doomed.
Jack Myers
Always been my favorite model of it.
Levi Peterson
I would have to agree with you on this basic premise. Like all political movements it has to be rooted in the people. Hitler had his Volk concept, I frankly don't know enough about Italian fascism to comment. But that is my goal is to try and understand the system more than just the hitler did nothing wrong meme aspects of it. Any suggestions?
Hunter Smith
Yes, it could absolutely work if people would stop putting effigies of Commander Rockwell in god damed larpy atomwaffen mischief masks. Fucking kikes.
Jose Jackson
>Yes, it could absolutely work if people would stop putting effigies of Commander Rockwell in god damed larpy atomwaffen mischief masks. Fucking kikes.
I've actually deleted it, I didn't realize it was rockwell until I looked at it a little closer. And its true, absolutely doesn't do his legacy right, he was not afraid to show his face.
Wyatt Baker
For Italian Fascism you would want to read The Doctrine of Fascism by Mussolini, The Fascist Manifesto by Filippo Tommaso Marinetti and also maybe look int to the writings of Sorel.
The second two names are interesting, Marinetti was also the writer of The Futurist manifesto and was radically anti-tradition which can be a shock to many people who read his writings expecting something quite different. I see this as a good thing however because it displays the flexibility of fascism and its ability to adapt and actually allow for a plurality of interpretations and views. You don't have to be a radical futurist to take something away from his writing, and besides it is of historical value at the very least(if you find him interesting his book Critical Writings is recommended after the manifesto). The Second name, Georges Sorel is not a fascist but a ostensibly left wing syndicalist whose works concerning violence and mythology and their place in politics functions as the missing link between the late 19th century socialist crowd and fascism. He was a big influence on Mussolini and represents a necessary transitional period in political thought. Again, much you will find interesting in his work and also much you will likely find distasteful, still he is important for historical context.
Even if in the end you find these streams of fascist thought not to your liking and decide that actually maybe Hitler was the one true prophet you will be better equipped to argue for that by being familiar with this early stage in the development of fascist thought.
Isaac Anderson
>I've actually deleted it Good. There are still men of our race who see the path, and recognize the recent great figures within it. We young people who hold the torch of our people, of our ancestors, of our future. Keep carrying that torch, don't do anything that works against that cause, and we can win this thing. Don't be afraid, be a force unto your own. Godspeed.
Leo James
much thanks user, I'll look into it
Isaac Moore
I recommend Hans Hoppes work on the apriori of argumentation and praexeology followed by his proof why communism doesnt work.
>triple doubles fascism will never work because fascists are spastic retards. nobody is going to go for an ideology where its followers can't go five minutes without shrieking about gassing [some racial slur or another]. fascists have zero mass appeal and zero self-awareness. their fashwave is cringy as fuck and they seem completely oblivious to the fact that the only thing people are ever going to hear from them is the worst sounding sound byte their detractors can dig up. ideologies need to appeal to people outside the die-hard inner circle. modern fascists don't seem to understand most people simply aren't concerned about the same shit as them, even if they should be, and so they never make an honest attempt at outreach. modern fascists are too stupid to ever get their way, they're no threat to anybody.
Adam Lee
>Every day the USA looks more like Weimar. Repeating this over and over won't make it true.
>People want a third way They really, REALLY don't. Americans want liberty. There's a reason that up until recently, the far left has had to couch basically all of their talking points in traditionally liberal rhetoric.
Egalitarian is essentially a meaningless term at this point. The far left believes that people are literally all equal in terms of ability. Nobody else does. Equal before God does not in any way mean the same thing as equal in ability. The enlightenment IS western civilization. The far left retards fucking it up are the products of Hegel, and are anti-enlightenment.
>People who believe in egalitarianism are either liberals or communists. This is what I'm talking about. Liberal equality is completely different from Marxist equality. The two ideologies don't even hold their different versions of equality to the same degree of importance. Marxist equality is the defining principle of Marxism, while in liberalism, liberal equality is subordinate to liberty.
This is a discussion about different ideologies that are all radically opposed to each other. The left/right model obfuscates what's going on. Conservatives, particularly American conservatives, are not going to become fascists. The fact that you two think conservatives are completely rejecting any notion of equality is because you fail to make a distinction between the liberal conception of equality and the Marxist conception of it.
America is a nation founded on ideals. You cannot be a proper American nationalist while rejecting those ideals. There cannot be an American Fascism, only a Fascism that seeks to replace America.
John Cooper
My brother, this book Natures Eternal Religion is required reading. The creativity movement is like national socialism for the 21st century
Interesting, I'll take a look too, seems like some very reasonable suggestions here. I can get some of the history as well as the future and see how it fits in with my own thoughts on things...
>Weimer vs America Degeneracy is running rampant, that part is 100% on par and the inflation is on the horizon. Murmurings are starting to get louder on the street and everybody has been wondering when we will pay for our sins. At some point quantitative easing and the rest of the manipulations will come home to roost and we will get a reboot. Those at the top will not allow themselves to come out of that situation as anything but the richest of men.
>The meaning of egalitarianism Cultural marxism and its views on class struggle, egalitarianism and ultimately identity politics is currently the dominant operational standpoint of the progressive left. It started with incrementalism but has gone full retard. I do understand the difference between cultural marxism's "every human is the same in every way" philosophy, and the American type of equality under the law, through freedom of speech and association.
As far as the current conservatives go, I do think they are ever more willing to reject the ideology of equality in favor of order should things get worse in the future. People ultimately want to stay afloat and if they are offered a viable alternative that promises to clear the path. Right now the American way of life, the white way of life, is being threatened and more wake up to it every day. They stay quiet for fear of being ostracized. Whoever grants them protection from reprisal of the left and the ability to voice their concerns about cultural marxism honestly will gain a groundswell of support regardless of platform.
America is a nation founded on ideals, but we have been subverted. The America that was meant to be has already passed, and we are in a new age. America was an ideal, but people must manage them and hold them in esteem. Sadly the American people have almost been replaced by masses of foreigners whose only interest here is in using us.
Samuel Long
Despite all the Nazi LARPiness, Rockwell pointed out that pure 1776 constitutionalism was a good approach for American nationalism. Too bad (((they))) whacked him before he could expand on that angle further.
>Degeneracy is running rampant, that part is 100% on par and the inflation is on the horizon. The particulars of the situations are significantly different, particularly regarding cause.
>People ultimately want to stay afloat and if they are offered a viable alternative that promises to clear the path. Most Americans don't view fascism as a viable alternative, and never will. Remember, for the Cultural Marxists to get this far required decades of duplicity and creeping through Academia. Fascists don't hold the proper positions for this, and based on my interactions with them both on and off of Jow Forums, don't have the proper character for the kind of decades long lie required to get to where the progressive left is.
I disagree that we have been subverted. The subversion is ongoing. The actual reason for the decay is a kind of general and broad political apathy. Even if it were already too late, however, my point stands. A dead America could not be reborn through fascism, only replaced.
At the end of the day though, I cannot believe that it's a lost cause. We won our independence. We won the second world war, and the cold war, ensuring the dominance of the liberal tradition. We've assembled the greatest alliance network in the history of mankind, and created one of the most powerful economies in the world. I cannot accept that the American Experiment has truly ended in failure. Even if America as a political entity is falling apart, the ideals are still alive. History has shown time and again then when an empire falls, someone will eventually step forward to pick up the pieces.
This isn't over yet.
Colton Richardson
>cause of such things Yes this is true, humiliation at the defeat of a war is surely different than self immoliation. Though I do think a collapse will be very humiliating, especially if it is "self induced" the appearance of a failure of the system will allow replacement
>replacement not revival Absolutely, I agree. There will be no American revival through fascism, they are not compatible systems per se.
>Pick up the pieces Yes, this is exactly what I am talking about friend. Picking up the pieces. I am talking about a post-American world, a new entity. The land, the people wont go anywhere in a collapse, but I could see potential balkanization and blood shed given the right circumstances.
Though I am cautious on betting on the end of the world, for it only happens once. Things do feel quite bleak right now. While I do hold out hope for the experiment continuing and purging itself of the insidious elements, I'm not sure that those elements are not now an integral part of the process and an underlying fabric of the nation. Wallstreet and the MIC are synonymous with American interests currently, and without a strong vicious hand, which doesn't seem to be possible from within, I don't see how they will become less entangled, only more so.
David Mitchell
Modern fascism: There is a time when humanity is streaming to diversity. There is a time to separate the wheat from the chaff.
the problem with fascism is its populism. in early twentieth century europe exterminated its natural aristocracy and old order at the instigation of the jews, they figured out too late that they were left with no leadership. that is why reactionary movements like fascism and national socialism did not work, there was no traditional leadership. it will take many generations to cultivate a new aristocracy, I think we are through the worst part, the baby boomer generation was rock bottom. we can only go upwards from here
William Murphy
I think time has shown that there are indeed aspects of mussolini's fascism which were respectable. Abandonment of traditional aesthetic is not one of them now that we can view in hindsight from what is very similar to a "40's-futurist" prediction.
Michael Wilson
>Is Modern Fascism Workable?
Lmao no. Cuckservatives like grandma's apple pie-tier Capitalism and meme-tier Americana, they are still striving for that.
Progressives want some weird neo-marxist clown world society
People who keep drawing the line between modern America and "weimar" come off as desperately delusional to me. Yes our country sucks, no it does not mean that "history will repeat itself" and Hitler 2.0 will come out of no-where to save the day. Not that I even liked Hitler or the Nazi party that much desu.
The best hope we have is that the republican party is taken over by far-right nationalists with fashy tendencies at this point. I do think there is a portion of conservatives who are sick of classical liberalism, but they do not make up the majority.
I think now that Alex Jones has marked himself with his latest Pissrael video as undeniably a kike worshipper, we'll start seeing more and more conservatives spit the chips and realize the only tenable platform is a jew-free platform. You don't even have to hate hebrews to realize how deleterious their influence is for Western society.
>America is a nation founded on ideals. You cannot be a proper American nationalist while rejecting those ideals. There cannot be an American Fascism, only a Fascism that seeks to replace America
This is a bait and switch. Ideals, culture, is downstream of biology. The nation was founded by a certain race with its unique deep rooted drives. These drives can be manifest in multiple ways and find expression through a variety of means. This is should be obvious in how I am using the word America, as the landmass, the peoples on it and what can be done with those things. You wish to use a separate definition of America, not a biogeographic definition but a conceptual and abstract one to chain all discussion of America to the founding fathers and liberalism. This is perfectly fine, but it fails to address anything I have mentioned. At worst you are straw manning, at worst you are simply talking to yourself.
