Why doesn't communism work?

Because a medical student will not spend 10 years trying to become a doctor if they're just going to make the same amount of money as a ditch digger. Communism makes the whole reward/punishment system useless.

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>The 21st century means of production cannot create food, provide material comfort or do anything else besides spewing memes and bullshit.

Some things never change

I think China is more free market than most would think. There is very little regulation. They don't even have basic copyright laws (which is stealing in my opinion).

A business incentive to succeed is greed to get wealthy. It's human nature to want to be rich.

So I feel like 1 million dollars under private hands can be utilized far better than I'd government took it from greedy people to distributed it to greedy people.

We are all greedy. Even the person taking food stamps. But there is people that will get richer because of greed.

There is people that will squander money because of greed.

Government involvement only steals productivity to give it to the unproductive.

I may be over simplifying it. But it's what I think.

yeah, say that to Autocad

Exactly. This is why communism only works under a centralized stalinist government, so that economic growth only happens from the barrel of a gun. And even then it's terrible.

China is not "free market". China is Technocrat. Free market exists there to a degree because goverment wants it, funds it and regulates it according to its plans.

Take Tencent for example, the world biggest gameing company - it is ran pretty much directly byassigned CCP functioneirs themselves in management positions.

ok cheers ill start with that thanks user

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China's entire economy rests on SEZs.
Special
Economic
Zones

You know what those SEZs are? Designated Free Market Zones are prescribed by Deng Xiaoping's economic reform policy.

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>Why doesn't communism work?
It needs people to control their emotions and work for a greater cause. That's not humanly possible without good culture and good leaders - and communism destroys culture and always has faggot leaders.

Why do we keep having this thread?

It must be implemented, the men who implement it must be powerful, and the powerful will wish to remain so

>assumes all people are equal
>assumes state can provide everything a man wants
>assumes the government will be lead by saints

Not only that, it is also a bad economic growth system, where everyone may or may not get what they need and nothing more.
It doesn't let people have luxury goods, as they are not available to everyone (hence, luxury) and having some means inequality. Luxury goods trade brings a lot of tax money in, along with other free trade that would be banned under communism. Which means not only would it not work because of the human factor, it is also straight up worse at economic growth than capitalism.

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Except that Russia had far superior writers and filmmakers.
Explain that.

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People like owning things.
Oh, and eating.

/thread.

This is what I think whenever communists say "There is so much unnecessary production under capitalism". That may be true, but the useless production is required in order for actually important innovation to happen.

The government becomes an elite class itself, abuses its power, and everyone else just becomes a subject and classes don't actually disappear.

You bend the rules for people you care about, treating everyone exactly the same is unnatural, which is why China is full of insect people, the tribal aspect vanishes and everyone becomes apathetic.

They actually don't believe all people are equal, their slogan "each according to ability/need" literally means the least competent and able's effort deserve the largest reward.

ya because those things are needed to run a country and economy

Human nature is spot one.
People are not equal
Races are not equal
Cultures are not equal
There will always be a group who wants to remain on top. There will always be class structure because thats how we evolved.
Under capitalism at least the average joe has a chance to become more than average. There is little difference between communism and feudalism.

*spot on

>There is little difference between communism and feudalism.
I've always thought this. I call it "neo-feudalism"

True. Didn’t do so well with the whole food thing though

it goes against human nature

this is so damn true
however
>There is little difference between communism and feudalism
well in the desolate outcome of their respective policies sure you are right - they are both as devastating

but their ideological and philosophical frameworks are worlds apart

thats to taste

Russia had great culture, even if forced on people by a totalitarian government.
The problem wasn't that. It was the fact that getting chewing gum or jeans was akin toeating at elite restaurants at the vip area or wearing your american friend designer's limited line of clothing. My mother was the most popular girl at school because my grandpa worked in the military at a high up position and regularly brought home sweets from abroad. The shittiest jeans were worn untill they were torn 5-6 times, when they sopped being jeans from all the fixing up.
This is the result of communism. The richer families (we were one of them) lived like normal people do now, and everyone else was convinced they are happy living in poverty because they had a job and a house.
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Yes definitely but the framework of both types of class structure is still the same, just the ideology is different.

Except that's bullshit and you know it. Separation of state and private enterprise might exist at our level, but the overhead and regulations and liability are by design intended to crush and smother the rise of any upstart competitor.

Well, look what's happening to the economy and politics now after 50 years of absent culture.
An economy certainly needs culture to function.

Communism is actually equal. Everyone is equal in having nothing, whilst the shadow elite owns everything. This shadow elite does not seek morality, but to have it all. This shadow elite, non surprisingly, is composed out of kikes and a few shills. It is concrete, objective, factual information that this was the way it was in the Soviet Union.

The struggle for life is only about reproduction in the end, my based huwhite bro. The adherence to ideology, as civic nationalism portrays, either reinforces this or works against this.

We, even the most developed (Cromagnid huwhites), will remain animals. Only when the urge for reproduction fades, we shall be able to surpass our primitive roots. We, huwhites, can do that, but the jews obviously have abused this.

Perhaps huwhites, if anything, face destruction for becoming too noble. Perhaps we are at odds with the means of existence by which we came onto this earth.

If anything, this must inspire to fight harder. We surpass the devil, for we surpass primitive roots. The Biblical saying of giving the other cheek, is hated for going against nature, but actually being at peace with nature itself.

You do know the american boogieman, the 1%, is constantly changing. People go bankrupt, die or retire. Sure there may be the families or companies that stay up top, but smart, hard working people have more opportunities than ever before in history to rise up the social ladder.
My father started a business and got into the upper middle class from an abusive household with a drinking father and his mother working 3 manual labor jobs to keep them fed. The social ladder is better than ever before, and denying so is bullshit. Get a high paying job, save up and then invest money into stocks or a business.

It doesn’t work because every single communist views himself as a revolutionary leader that knows what’s best for you. Once the fighting is over the communist that is the most politically savvy and has the most power will flex his muscle. He now knows what’s best for everyone and will kill all of his opponents and keep everyone else in line.

No doubt. But if we look at this as a competition we should take a few things into account:
>Russia had 1/3 of the population
>Russia was completely devastated by WWII
>America had the significant advantage of accelerating money through rebuilding Europe
>two continents vs. a nation which was only partially industrialised
This is aside from the fact that the West also nationalised its economies, essentially taking on communist methods of economy. As a competition it was comparable to playing without a queen in chess or 9 stones down in go.
No doubt they made mistakes, but in pure economic functioning communism actually outperformed capitalism in many areas. People will shit on this, but very few can discuss this shit objectively because they are blinded by left/right ideologies.

The motivation of a person under Communism is to serve the party and take only what he or she needs for. It shuns individual indulgence. Capitalists work for their own individual gain while giving the least amount they can back to their fellow workers. It is decadent and more luxurious. Take your pick.

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I am not quite sure about the "Communism doesnt work". USSR dissolved by the workings (albeit suspicious) of the Yeltsin and Gorbachov era. In terms of economics it ranked 2nd in 1988 with Japan being 3rd, 28th in terms of GDP per capita in 1990 theodora.com/wfb/1990/rankings/gdp_per_capita_1.html a Gini coefficient of 0.275 in 1989, unemployment of unemployment of 1%-2% theodora.com/wfb1991/soviet_union/soviet_union_economy.html and inflation 14% theodora.com/wfb/1991/rankings/inflation_rate_pct_1.html 43rd in 1991.

Anyway the USSR was authoritarian and not democratic so there would not have been as much progress whereby the populace accords in with the Soviet Government. Also that would have displaced the people to a considerable extent by the Soviet Government and Soviet companies, a type of fascism that nevertheless had grandfathered universal healthcare, universal education and other public services. Planning the economy could have a similar value to budgeting, despite that there did not seem to be department to hold the government accountable for those plans as well as to relay feedback.

In other countries democracy and civil participation in national affairs seemed quite favourable like the civil rights movements and labout unions. As such different governance has been tried and tested and derived a more refined system across many sectors of the European and North American countries with European countries enacting universal healthcare, universal education and more public services whilst maintaining private industry with the public sector to balance it.

While Soviet communism was better overall for Russia and the other countries of the Russian Empire with the Tsar, it did not quite become as effective as the democratic nations with hybrid capitalism.

what the fuck is this image
i used to work as a dishwasher and it blew

Russia was built and sustained only by slave labor. That's the dark part nobody ever considers, because MUH POLITICAL PRISONERS and MUH ECONOMIC PRINCIPLES are two different discussion points. In theory. But in practice, they went hand in hand in the USSR. Basically, the somewhat humane and sustainable USSR was always held together by prisoners. Schools were built by prisoners. Roads were paved by prisoners. Trucks and cars were assembled by prisoners. Entire buildings and blocks were built by prisoners. Of course it would outperform capitalism: they didn't have to worry about wages or logistics or unions when everything was built literally for a bowl of buckwheat kasha and half a loaf of stale black bread.

Also you're just another faggot leaf that makes this forum totally unreadable.

Lots of reasons. I think the most important is that historically a centralized economic simply is not efficient. In modern society we rely on a market to decide the value and distribution of goods. To try to anticipate needs of every citizen and plan for them ahead of time resulted in both harsh scarcity and massive overproduction. Somethings the goods existed but simply were not given to the people that needed them. It is something that might be overcome with modern data science. Afterall walmart is larger than many countries and manages to anticipate and drive consumer demand far faster than they could possibly react to it. All with relatively little waste.

Aside from that a major problem is marxism. It is a flawed political theory. The idea of inevitability holds it back, the idea of transitioning from socialism holds it back. Any stable communist society would have to be created all at once from adults who both understand and consent to the premise of that society. Transition creates ample room for abuse and power grabs intrinsic to any socialist system.

Corruption of course is another big one. Communism is unstable because some percentage of people are by nature greedy. In the ussr for example it was the jews. Maybe a framework of checks and balances could be put into place, or a robot controlled multivac system that cuts out the human element. But for the most part I simply do not see how it would work.

As for an incentive to work and innovate I think that argument is greatly overblown. Just look at the decades of success that the ussr had under socialism. Sure it sucked to live in and gave birth to numerous human rights abuses, but it was a successful nation for a long time. A world power the likes of which has only happened three times in human history. Complete with scientific and cultural advances. Motivation can be anything from prestige to civic virtue to fear of being hauled off to siberia.

I would argue that it was the totalitarian regime doing the outperforming, as we can see the same sort of thing happening in germany post ww1. But that is not the point. The point is that communism does not account for people's desires. The USSR still had to use money as an incentive, which contradicts communist beliefs. Another note, people saying they had it good under communism (I encounter quite a few older people like that who lived under USSR rule) are saying they had a job, a house and bread on the table. They only complain now because they are so used to everyone having the same things that they are now envious and bitter that a lot of people have a better car, house or more money than them, even though their lives are objectively better now.

It's the economic calculation problem. Only markets can do it.
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China?

In short.

>Value is subjective. There is no such thing as a need. Even the necessities of life become excess after a certain point.

>Real world economics are too complex for any human to comprehend. Everything conceivable as a resource which can be allocated is being allocated at every point in time by billions of humans at once.

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What is it like in Mozambique?

>Why doesn't communism work?
cause on the basis of communism there is fake statement that humanity is willing to share and that no one is greedy

>The most complex tax system in the world
>More lawyers than every country on earth combined
>Absolute surgical compliance to law or ruined and dispossessed.
>Absolute surgical compliance and documentation to your insurance' lawyers 10,000 word extra EXTRA tiny print legal terms to void you with ruinous bankruptcy and dispossession.
>Only people who retire or go bankrupt die
>Your Latvian father
>America

Oh lemmie guess faggot, spics had to come here after all our industry was sent to China so they could do the jobs we can't, right?

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shit, but its a Republic and Socialist

It does. It hasn't been tried yet.
I'm going to found the Communist Party of the California Republic and piss off all you bitches.

>Communist Party
oh no
>of the California
ok do it, it is not salvagable anyway

because it hasn't been tried

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It could "work" in a post-scarcity society with a healthy sense of nationalism and closed borders that encompasses the west and east Asia while the rest of the world fucks themselves and mines their resources for us as God intended.

Someone with a high iq would go crazy digging ditches.

Doctors and professors did have a slightly higher standard of living. Most country folks had simple tastes.

>found the communist party
>of the Peoples Republic of Kalifornia

You are a bit late there, user.

>Exactly. This is why communism only works under a centralized stalinist governmen

What do yoy even know about this amerishart?

Why do americans talk like they know about communism?

They repeat drole anecdotes they have zero first hand knowledge of.

>Stalin killed a gajillion ppl fer gomyanism!

>Errybody starved in Gomyanism, they didn't even have pop tarts.

>gomyanism cant wkrk!

Wgat the fuck do you know Amerishart? What your govt tells you.

>Why doesn't communism work?

>Capitalism: I will buy things for girl so she'll have sex with me

>Communism: I will share my wife with other men

People aren't generally guggolds so they're not willing to share their wife with other men.
Result: Communism doesn't work

True Communist society is a cuckold society

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>True Communist society is a cuckold society

Read Frederich Angles.

He claims marriage was the foundation for private property.

I'll tell you why it failed.
We teach kids they must share toys and sweets.
As adults we refuse to share anything.

It is that simple.

>Primitive communism, according to both Morgan and Engels, was based in the matrilineal clan where women lived with their classificatory sisters – applying the principle that "my sister’s child is my child".
>Because they lived and worked together, women in these communal households felt strong bonds of solidarity with one another, enabling them when necessary to take action against uncooperative males.

True true. If you distill communism into it's base components it becomes clear that it's nothing more than state enforced cuckoldry

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It does, its worked everytime its been implemented. Its capitalism that doesn't work.

people don't work without motivation. Its simply much more effective and pleasant to motivate people with money rather than guns being pointed at them. Capitalist countries also offer upward mobility, something that people in commie countries never have a chance to get.

Communism really backfired hard on the kikes when Stalin took over, holy shit.

You can’t sustain an utopia without a virtually unlimited outside income. Maybe if ayy lmaos were to provide us everything we need, then communism would work.

Also, daily reminder that an utopia is actually dystopia (behavioral sink)

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There are reason behind it:
1-Political: since humans are creatures that love to rule over others, the idea of Marx of true freedom devolves into stalinism, where state becomes the ruling class instead of no having a ruling class at all; therefore, abuse of power and petty political persecution start to appear.
2-Econiomic: the biggest problem that communism faces it is the elimination of psychology out of the equation. To have a proper economy, the following formula must be apply: Psychology + Resources = healthy economy; however, Communism removes the necessity to improve from the people who participate in the economy to the companies who cannot produce products according to the necessities of the people, so the internal economy collapses and crashes causing hyperinflation.
3-Social: the people who live in Communist societies tend to rat others to get an advantage over the competition by calling them that they are not part of the revolution and they are against the government. The citizens become are taught by government representatives on how you have to think, what job you will do, and what to do when they hear something that might be taboo according to the government. This suppresses the freedom of expression and thinking of the people, and this is the least thing that Marx wanted it.

there are many more, but these reasons are the most common why it fails every single time in the long-run

>We, huwhites, can do that
tips fedora

Also the foundation of civilization
Do commies want to turn us all into grugs?

The idea only works in a completely one sided world where everyone does their part and can stand having the same shit, etc. In a three-dimensional world, duality is prevalent and automatically prevents such a concept from happening as there will always be those who will reject that way of living. This is the reason why most nations who push for communism have dictatorships that force this one-sided way of living, causing it to be largely unethical and eventually falling flat on its back.

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How do you transition from a government with complete control over everyday life to one that has given up all control? You don't.

Communism could work if we kill all the humans lets start with the communists

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>Why doesn't communism work?

because you're not good enough. you're mad at people who are better than you, you are good at nothing. you dont ask how to better yourself but REEEE how can you level the playing field.

go fucking die. awesome people will always be better than you.

but feudalism is the best. where people who can KICK ASS AND FUCK YOU UP ho are stronger. They are the ones who deserve to do shit. Those are the ones who deserve to be the leaders. You aussie bogan cunt.

>In global communism, the bourgeoisie have nowhere to run to.

>What is islands 5,000 miles from nowhere
>What is Antarctica
>What is the North Pole
>What is Outer Space

They're rich you retard.

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bread lines and starving people are equal? hahaha tell me more, commie faggot.

It's fucking against human nature /thread

I think you should have the surgery to have part of your spine removed so you can lick your own penis fellow comrade.

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By mentioning my father I highlighted the virtues of capitalism. From what I've heard, America has it worse, but not by that much. I guess I am wrong, and will not argue what I do not know

Socialism or communism and sometimes basic democracy can never exist in a world with CIA

OP I lived in socialism, in then-Czechoslovakia, and the issue is that some people wants to own means of production, wants to be entrepreneurs or generally realize their potential outside of what the state prescribed. As a result, the whole regime had to be maintained by coercion and power... it was not natural. When the regime was overthrown, people naturally moved in the direction of western-style capitalism.

social democracy is the best system
unregulated capitalism kills people
full communism rewards deadbeats
a balance should be struck
end jewish usury, debt, and reduce poverty