Hello Comrades. This general is for the discussion of Marxism-Leninism, the ideology of revolutionary socialism and communism.
Communism is the next stage of humanity following the capitalist stage and the socialist stage.
What exactly is communism according to Marxist-Leninists:
>Communism is a stage of society in which the productive infrastructure is socially owned, and goods are produced not in order to sell for profit, but in order to meet a social need. >Communism in it's full form is a stateless, classless society that follows the maxim "From each according to their ability, to each according to their need." >To achieve such a society Marxism-Leninism teaches us that we must replace the capitalist state, which is controlled by the capitalist class, by a socialist state, which is controlled by the working class. Then, a period of class struggle follows in which the capitalist class is liquidated by the working class. When the capitalist class has been completely vanquished, there will be only one class, the working class, and eventually the functions of the state will become indistinguishable from the functions of the society as a whole, and the state as such will 'wither away' as Marx said. marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1847/11/prin-com.htm marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1848/communist-manifesto/
Hello gomrades! XDDDD Dis general is for disgussion of margism-lebonnism, da ideology of revolutionary socialism and gommunism.
Gommunism is da next stage of guckery following real society.
Wat exagtly is gommunism according to gommies:
>Gommunism is a stage of guckery in which the produgtive infrustrugture runs away from gommie country, and no goods are produced and beeple starve. XDDDD >Gommunism in full form is obressive, statist society dat follows maxim "gib gib gib!" XDDDD >To achieve gommunism we must replace broduction with murderous obressive rulers liek me, fug working glass beeple. XDDDD Struggle while I liquidate you all lol. When capitalists run away we win and I kill you all. Eventually the functions of state cease and state becomes murderous and indistinguishable from other gommies. Da state state withers away liek da people. gommies.gom/fug/ gommies.gom/starve/
Hello gomrades! XDDDD Dis general is for disgussion of margsism-lebonnism, da ideology of revolutionary socialism and gommunism.
Gommunism is da next stage of guckery following real society.
Wat exagtly is gommunism according to gommies:
>Gommunism is a stage of guckery in which the produgtive infrustrugture runs away from gommie country, and no goods are produced and beeple starve. XDDDD >Gommunism in full form is obressive, statist society dat follows maxim "gib gib gib!" :DDDD >To achieve gommunism we must replace broduction with murderous obressive rulers liek me, fug working glass beeple. XDDDD Struggle while I liquidate you all lol. When capitalists run away we win and I kill you all. Eventually the functions of state cease and state becomes murderous and indistinguishable from other gommies. Da state withers away liek da people. gommies.gom/fug/ gommies.gom/starve/
----------------------------------------- Da sdages of gommunism.
>Sdage one Bourgers aren't allowed to vode :DDD but otherwise da system is digtadorshib of gommies. Everything is stole by digtadors and digtadors rule all.
>Sdade two Withering All beeple who aren't digtador glass starve. XDDD Once glass disabears and we steal everything more beeple wither away. Bolice begome unnecessary as beeple are dead lol :DDDDD Central blanning begomes unnecessary begause sgarcity caused starving. Money is all ours.
>Sdage three Gommunism. No beeple. No food. My money. Much benis
where the fuck has fucking ANARCHISM worked. The whole thing with anarchism is that it doesn't fucking work if you don't have socialism first, then let the state wither away. Does anarchism work in fucking libya mate?
John Cox
>Communism and anarchism have worked everytime they've been implemented. They can't work because they're Jewish.
>Meanwhile, capitalism fails every 10 years. Capitalism is just as Jewish and anti-White as Communism is.
Ryan Murphy
CuMunism is not the next stage of human evolution. Nazism and Lebensraum is the next stepm
Besides; soviet union got out-competed by a country with smaller population and smaller size, china is basically corporatist and nationalist at this point, vietnam is shithole, cuba is shithole, african communist countries are shitholes and northern european countries who previously adopted socialist systems but had to abandon them becouse they DIDNT FUCKING WORK and are now liberal shitholes are also, as stated, fucking shitholes.
Nathan Morales
The USSR. China. Revolutionary Catalonia. Chile under Allende. The Zapatistas. Rojava. List goes on.
Catalonia and the Zapatistas. Rojava is also founded on anarchist principles but still retains a direct democratic state.
Given that Jews apparently control everything, I think the jews would be last ones to criticize for not knowing how to make things work.
>capitalistic market value >calculations to determine value I still don't get it - If all you want to do is be edgy then grow dreadlocks, shoot heroin, and ask people for spare change. - Thyme to reconsider your paradigm.
Liam Russell
any one who likes CuMunism is a homosexual jew nigger scumbag.
>The USSR. HAAHHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAAA breaths in as ex-communist country* HAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHA >China. nononono not a capitalist country at all with all those billionaires >Revolutionary Catalonia. lasted for three years >Chile under Allende. got taking down by some guy with a cute mustache , much strong >the zapatistas shithole >rojava it is staying alive on capitalist israel and US support like soviet union during WW2
When there is a power vacuum it will be filled. There can never be a fucking classless society. A hierarchy is natural and there will always be one. This is one of the reasons as to why communism cannot work.
>Given that Jews apparently control everything Only everything bad.
>I think the jews would be last ones to criticize for not knowing how to make things work. Oh the Jews know how to make White Genocide work quite well.
Julian Davis
>said the faggot in the anti-White, Jewish ideology phase.
Communism turned the USSR from a feudal economy to an industrialized one. After agriculture was fully collectivized, famines ended. Life expectancy rose. Now I don't agree with Stalin because I'm an anarchist, but what he did is minuscule compared to the death and destruction imperialist capitalism has wreaked across the planet.
>nononono not a capitalist country at all with all those billionaires I'd argue isn't anymore, but Mao industrialized the country rapidly and life expectancy shot up, the quickest the world has ever seen.
>got taking down by some guy with a cute mustache , much strong So? That's not an argument against how communism functions. Also, Pinochet was backed by the USA and Thatcher. Shows how much capitalists care about democracy.
>shithole Better than Mexico. In fact, Zapatista territory is fucking paradise compared to the IRL PVP zone that is Mexico.
>it is staying alive on capitalist israel and US support Wrong.
>like soviet union during WW2 The Americans couldn't have won WW2.
>Well yeah but they still control everything. Just because they're evil and destroying the White race via their usurped power doesn't make it a good thing.
>Ah, look at this little guy. Hey, you're the anti-White Jewish loving faggot in this thread.
Nicholas Johnson
>labour voucher and credits Money ya goofy cunt
Sebastian Clark
Read SIEGE by James Mason.
Ayden Sanders
>Read SIEGE by James Mason. Read the Brigade by H.A. Covington.
>Communism turned the USSR from a feudal economy to an industrialized one. After agriculture was fully collectivized, famines ended. Life expectancy rose. Now I don't agree with Stalin because I'm an anarchist, but what he did is minuscule compared to the death and destruction imperialist capitalism has wreaked across the planet. and you are going to ignore the genocides in soviet union after it completely collectivized ? famine in 1946? shit ton of black markets all around the country which fucked USSR economy? >I'd argue isn't anymore, yeah ok > but Mao industrialized the country rapidly and life expectancy shot up, the quickest the world has ever seen. mao killed millions of his people and then his successors realized that they cant progress without accepting capitalist reforms >So? That's not an argument against how communism functions. GDP in chille was shit under alende , it started to rise after pinochet took over > Also, Pinochet was backed by the USA and Thatcher. Shows how much capitalists care about democracy. >implying democracy is a good system >Better than Mexico. In fact, Zapatista territory is fucking paradise compared to the IRL PVP zone that is Mexico. indeed lynch mobbing everyone who does something wrong is better than the rest of the mexico >Wrong. if not for the support turks would have steamrolled them easily , also many kurds decided to flee to turkey besides joining your paradise >The Americans couldn't have won WW2. russians too
Kayden Robinson
Genocides aren't exclusive to communism.
>shit ton of black markets all around the country which fucked USSR economy? Yeah, cause no capitalist country has black markets. Also, by the way, I'm not a marxist-leninist.
>mao killed millions of his people and then his successors realized that they cant progress without accepting capitalist reforms The famine was caused by Mao's ignorance when it came to agriculture, not a system of worker ownership.
>GDP in chille was shit under alende , it started to rise after pinochet took over Maybe, but under Pinochet poverty rose to 45% and his monetarist policies fucked everything up in 1982 and are regarded as a failure. Also, he was a mass murderer and tortured many people. I'll denounce communist regimes when they do it, so I can attack Pinochet for it as well. Also, he wasn't *elected*.
>indeed lynch mobbing everyone who does something wrong is better than the rest of the mexico They don't do that but ironically you're right it is better than Mexico.
>if not for the support turks would have steamrolled them easily , also many kurds decided to flee to turkey besides joining your paradise Well yeah, Turkey is highly organized old state with a lot of money. Rojava is fighting on two fronts and is new. Also, being "steamrolled" is not a good measure for if something works, otherwise you could say capitalism doesn't work because it was ended in Cuba and Burkina Faso.
Carson Stewart
>Genocides aren't exclusive to communism. And yet they're far more likely to Communism.
>Catalonia HAHAHAHAHAHAHA >Zapatistas Literally the gayest homosexuals on the entire planet, they have occupied a bit of fucking MEXICO, the country without government ran by druglords who care about nothing except the drug trade >Rojava Yeah, the kurds have occupied some land, see how long that lasts rofl Occupying a bunch of shitty land in shitholes =/= having an anarchist country, as soon as said shitholes become a tiny bit less shit, they are fucked catalonia is getting dicked by spain as we speak
Justin Jackson
>Yeah, cause no capitalist country has black markets. Also, by the way, I'm not a marxist-leninist. the black markets in soviet union were waaaaayy bigger than the ones in the west , my grandpa managed to buy 2 houses , a flat and the newest cars just from them meanwhile working as a cop >The famine was caused by Mao's ignorance when it came to agriculture, not a system of worker ownership. that ignorance costed him 60 million chinks , and dont deny that china managed to recover as soon as they accepted capitalist reforms and opened their market globally , many experts say that USSR would have survived to this day if they did the same >Maybe, but under Pinochet poverty rose to 45% and his monetarist policies fucked everything up in 1982 and are regarded as a failure. Also, he was a mass murderer and tortured many people. I'll denounce communist regimes when they do it, so I can attack Pinochet for it as well. Also, he wasn't *elected*. if we would have given enough time for allende the poverty rate would be bigger also torturing commies is not wrong >They don't do that but ironically you're right it is better than Mexico. probably because locals are scared shitless from the lynch mobs they did >Well yeah, Turkey is highly organized old state with a lot of money. Rojava is fighting on two fronts and is new. so you agree that they are alive now because they are funded by capitalists
Hunter Reed
Hardly. Capitalists commit genocides all the time, they just don't classify them as genocides. In fact, they're doing it right now in Israel. Also, the Black Book of Communism is full of shit, if you used their methods to judge capitalism (basically including everyone that's ever died under communism), you'd end up with a figure in the billions.
Jose Hughes
When Marx says that labour certificates are no more money than a theatre ticket we can draw certain implications: (1) The certificates do not circulate; they can only be directly exchanged against consumer goods.
(2) Like many tickets they would be non-transferable. Only the person who had performed the labour could use them. (3) They would be cancelled after a single use, just as a theatre ticket is destroyed on entry to the theatre. When individuals withdrew goods from a shop their vouchers would be cancelled. The shop, as a communal organisation, has no need to buy in goods, it is just allocated them, so its only interest in the labour vouchers is for record-keeping purposes. (4) They would not serve as a store of value. They could have a ‘use by’ date on them. Unless individuals redeemed their share of this year’s output by the end of the year, it would be assumed that they did not want it. If labour tokens are not spent then the goods that embodied the labour would not be used. Many goods are perishable and they would have to be disposed of somehow. Nowadays one need not think in terms of paper certificates of work done. Instead we can envisage the use of some form of labour credit card which keeps track of how much work you have done.
John Wilson
Recent new in the world of communism: Texas high school shooting commited by communist teenager.
>that ignorance costed him 60 million chinks , and dont deny that china managed to recover as soon as they accepted capitalist reforms and opened their market globally , many experts say that USSR would have survived to this day if they did the same
Their reforms were modeled after Lenin's NEP policy. China is still under a large amount of state control compared to many western nations, and whether or not they're full of shit the party line is that they are working towards socialism. They literally still have economic plans.
The USSR was also one of the fastest growing nations from the 20s to the 70s. The peripheral countries of the Union near countries like Iran and Turkey started at a similar level of output, but ultimately exceeded them by the 70s. The one poor country from the 19th century that outpaced the USSR's level of growth was Japan.
Ryan Jones
>Their reforms were modeled after Lenin's NEP policy. the big difference is the foreign trade , the thing that Soviet russia needed the most and the thing that saved china , it is also the thing that spawned fuck ton of billionaires at their party and i doubt they will ever reach full socialism > The USSR was also one of the fastest growing nations from the 20s to the 70s. The peripheral countries of the Union near countries like Iran and Turkey started at a similar level of output, but ultimately exceeded them by the 70s. The one poor country from the 19th century that outpaced the USSR's level of growth was Japan. and nazi germany . the growth doesnt mean shit , of course you will go from 0 to 100 quickly , but other countries like US were already at 200
Joseph Murphy
getting rid of slavery really tanked profit margins
>God Tier Anarcha-feminism >Good tier Anarcho-communism >OK tier Marxism >Bad tier Marxism-Leninism, Maoism >Oh shit what are you doing tier Liberalism, anarcho-capitalism, fascism
Zachary Perry
*dabs*
Landon Martinez
Almost every capitalist "genocide" exists only because advanced technology was mistakenly shared with subhuman niggers. In every case of colonialism there was plenty of land to go around between the natives and colonists, then Western medicine and agriculture caused a population explosion among the natives, then the conflict. Can you really blame 18th century Europeans for failing to realize the problems of teaching a stone-age African how to build a wheel? Communism on the other hand creates genocides basically out of whole cloth, usually while shutting the country off from any outside influence.
Adam Brown
came to post this
Samuel James
Can I be in charge of the brutal police service necessary to crack down on the inevitable black market? Seems like a nice place to get some theft and rape in.
