Is it true that Islam and Judaism have an shared origin...

Mohammad slayed an entire tribe of Jews

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Banu_Qurayza

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>Judaism was created like a few hundred years after the Romans BTFO'd the Jews
>the Talmud
HAHAHAHAHAHA you people are actual idiots I can't believe this is the NAZI THREAT OY VEY
lol read a fucking book mong, the Talmud is Babylonian through and through

Don't be proud of this, Panagiotis.

Says the ones who protect pedos and pay them $$ to orally molest baby boys.

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>The state of Jow Forums

I'm not Catholic. But for the record, I'm not Jewish and didn't have my cock cut either.

I am not, this Sergius was a heretic, and there were many nestorian or gnostic christians that became muslims because the Byzantine empire persecuted them. Islam was influenced more by these heretical christians than by Jews.

Are you of any religion officially?
I knew that Muhammad was not really a Jew, but he did not know that he was originally a Christian gnostic of Greek origin. Interesting

Generally like Christianity but not very religious at all, so not yet.

I believe that the companion refers to the rabbinical Judaism that originated about 200 years after the origin of Christianity. Judaism as a religion existed long before, but the branch of Rabbinic Judaism existed after Christianity.

According to what I understand Christians are somewhat mistreated in Israel.
For / pol / the other day talk to a guy who was converted in your country to the Greek Orthodox Church, also with another subject who said he carried his cross hidden in the chest and was Russian Orthodox.

It should be called something else then, specificity in language is important if you want to discuss politics/religion
Calling it Judaism is a misrepresentation
I'm Russian too... I guess our people don't really want to be Jews or Muslims after living here lol

Islam was created by Muhammad to unite disparate Arab tribes under one banner for one god to wrest control of the Middle East from Jews who pretty much ran everything worth running back then.

Islam is a recreation, reboot, reimagining of "Temple Judaism" by an Arab dude who married a Jewish or Christian woman.

Mohammed was an apprentice to his wife's father? I don't remember.

If the Great Temple in Jerusalem was up in Israel, a lot of Jews would pray in the direction of the Great Temple and have pilgrimages there every so often.

>after living here lol
That happened to the guy who converted to the Greek Orthodox church. He first tried to be a Jew, but said he felt it was too strange for him, since he grew up in a European culture at home.
You're right, the partner made a mistake by not specifying the branch of Judaism.
Are you a migrant in Israel or were you born there?
It seems that there are many Russians in Israel.

>Is it true that Christianity and Judaism have a* shared origin? I've heard that Christianity was created by a Jew or at least Jews were complicit in its creation.

Absolutely false, the first Muslims massacred the Jews of the Saudi peninsula

>greek gnostic/arian monk Sergius that taught Muhammad
and we have full circle, enjoy them coming home

>since he grew up in a European culture at home.
I know that feel. A lot of Russians here actually feel that way and don't think highly of Israeli Jews at all
>Are you a migrant in Israel or were you born there?
Born here(called Sabra btw)
>It seems that there are many Russians in Israel.
A lot, you can basically get by with speaking only russian desu

That's only because you jews are so full of yourselves that you have to get attention any way possible, even by manipulating every fucking person on earth.

Yes, even Christianity was a jewish psyop.

or well, an elite psyop. they were jewish but I don't think they cared about religious jews much even back then. they were pawns

Yes muhammed was a jew.
part one

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Islam was created by chinese.

Conspiracies aside, the official story is no, Islam just happens to share a lot of Judaism's traditions because Muhammed took 75% of his religion from Judaism and Christianity, he himself visited Christian monasteries many times as a child so he obviously knew what it was, but his horrible understanding of the trinity is obvious when you look at the teachings of the Quran and how they 'criticize' Christianity, by claiming Mary and Gabriel are in the trinity, which makes no sense.

Islam and Judaism both:

> Pray multiple times a day
> Eat halal/kosher
> Pray in direction of Kabba/Jerusalem
> Wear skullcaps
> Imam/rabbis have beards
> Obnoxiously monotheistic to the point where seeing a statue causes them to be triggered. In fact, muslims can visit synagogues and jews can visit mosques, but neither are 'permitted' by their religious leaders to visit Cathedrals due to its 'polytheist nature'. I'm not making this up.

Now, that's just the official story. Even then, you can see how closely these two religions are to one another. Aside from zionist Americans loving Israel, most Christians and jews have very little in common in the way of traditions and practices. They share the Old Testament and that Jesus was in Judea, but other than that, Christians do not follow Judaic procedures like muslims. Now, if you want to delve into conspiracies, Muhammed's family dynasty was part-jewish and the Al Saud family of Arabia is jewish as well. Because of Judaism's obsession with the jewish race and both Judaism and Islam's adherence to the Judaic principles, Christianity is the only truly universal religion of the Abrahamic faiths. Christianity has a Hebrew origin, but is a Hellenistic/Levantine faith for the most part. It doesn't force its followers to speak in Hebrew or Greek, doesn't force them to adhere to Judaic traditions, and aethestically has more in common with Greek (orthodox) temples and Roman (catholic) structure than any judaic obsession.

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Yes.
salam alaikum = shalom aleichem

The other boy Orthodox Oruso, told me that he was looking to emigrate from the country because it was not very totlerante or heat or desert.
Coming from Russia too, is it very difficult to adapt to a desert climate?
>Born here(called Sabra btw)
What a strange name for someone of descent from Russians, Roland would have been better.
>A lot, you can basically get by with speaking only russian desu
Well, it's a very big diaspora too, I've always wondered why so many Russians decided to emigrate to Israel and not to Europe where they are sister cultures and would adapt better to the climate.

*Orthodox Russian

I’ve read the Vatican manipulated Mohammad into becoming a prophet to control the Arabs and to take back Jerusalem, but it got out of hand and lead to the Muslim invasions.

Also, delving into conspiracies again, jews wear a small black box on their forehead to signify that God is always above them, and it resembles greatly the black box of Kabba that Muslims pray to.
Here's where it gets strange: In Judaism, the theology states that God has no gender, and therefore 'it has a feminine side named Shekinah. At the Wailing Wall, jews literally hump into the wall to perform spiritual copulation with this female deity. In Islam, Allah is genderless as well. Before Islam was created, Al-lat, or Allat, was the female goddess of war in Arabia at the time, or at least one of them. Her symbol was the crescent moon and star (Islam's symbol) her war color was green (Islam's color) and she was a blood-crazed warmongering jihadist. Only a female deity could command its followers to be deceptive, scheming infiltrators and sex-crazed conquerors obsessed with 72 virgins and endless rape. Muslims even kiss a silver clitoris when they go to the Kabba. H

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Jewish bolsheviks fucked Russia up pretty bad. Most probably rational fear was behind escaping to judea.

nice stuff! woah, in regards to that ritual clitoris.

fucking jewish social engineers, you have to give them credit for being fucking loony toons

Do you think that people are afraid to emigrate?
I thinking that people should be very insolated when going from Russia to a country like Israel and it always made me curious how they preferred to emigrate to a desert instead of to Europe.

Fear for retaliation.

no part 2?

Yes, they All abrahamic Religions (Islam, Judaism and yes, the right's precious Christianiaty) all come from a conglemerations of Middle-eastern beliefs under holy figures. These holy figures are stacked on eac other with each religion (Abraham, Jesus, Mohhamad).

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>The Sadducees fled the destruction of Jerusalem into Arabia.
>Mohammad was a Sadducee
>The Pharisees evangelised all through the Roman and Persian Empires
>The "King in Exile" or "Exhilarch" remained in Babylon when the faithful returned.
>After jewing the Persians, Exhilarch had all the money confiscated and were driven out (this becomes a bit of a pattern)
>Exhilarch and about half the talmudic pharisees fled into the caucuses (become Ashkenazi)
>Exhilarch's daughter marries Mohammad and half the talmudic pharisees flee to Arabia
>Exhilarch's grandson (Mohammad's son) returns to Persia at the head of a Muslim army and conquers it all.
>Mohammad's Sadducee son conquers Jerusalem.
>Both proclaim themselves to be the Jewish Messiah
This is the foundation of the Shia/Sunni split. It's still just Sadducee/Pharisee fight.
>All the Pharisaic converts all through North Africa herald Islam as the establishment of the Messianic Kingdom of Israel
>Convert en-mass and throw open the gates of all the fortified cities to the Muslims
>Roman Empire in Africa falls in under a hundred years because Jews do what Jews do best.
>Rome and Europe kick all the Pharisaic converts and Sephardic Jews out of Europe.
>They all go and join the Ashkenazis in the Caucuses
Islam is the final beast empire of Daniel.
Muslims are Talmudic Jews.
Islam is Zionist Talmudism
Ashkenazis (Israel) and Sunnis (Saudi Arabia) both hate the Shia (Iran) because the Iranians claim to be the only legitimate line of Jewish Kings (through the Exhilarch's daughter) and so the only ones from which the Talmudic messiah can come.
>Fun fact, when the Muslims conquered Jerusalem they built two temples on the Temple Mount.
>The Dome and the Al Aqsa Mosque
>For almost 1200 years the Al Aqsa Mosque was considered the rebuilt Temple of Solomon and was where Jews went to worship.

>Was Ben-Gurion suddenly struck with missionary zeal?
>He was just acting on knowledge that he and Yitzhak Ben-Tzvi, the president, has talked about for years. Most of what we now call “Palestinian Arabs” are descendants of Jews. Among the Bedouin that could reach 100 per cent.
>Ben-Gurion’s efforts didn’t go anywhere but give him credit for the thought.
>Tzvi Misinai, a software pioneer, who has devoted his life to assembling the facts on this issue, says that 90 per cent of Palestinian Arabs are descendants of Jews and 50 per cent know it.
>This would explain some curious phenomena.
>When the Jordanians took over Judea and Samaria in 1948, they found no mosques there. King Hussein built the first one.
>The Crusaders when they came here found that the Arabs here spoke Aramaic, not Arabic.
>Both facts would be explained if most of the “Arabs” in this land were really former or crypto-Jews.
>When the original Arabians invaded, the population was comprised of a majority of Greek-speaking Christians and a large minority of Aramaic-speaking Jews.
>The Arabians did not colonize the Promised Land because they saw that this population was not hostile.

>is it true that semites and semites have the same origin?
Gee I don't know user.

you obviously don't know, or you're lying:

>Only 2 out of 467 Ashkenazi Jews showed typical Levantine ancestry.

>The non-Levantine origin of AJs is further supported by an ancient DNA analysis of six Natufians and a Levantine Neolithic (Lazaridis et al., 2016), some of the most likely Judaean progenitors (Finkelstein and Silberman, 2002; Frendo, 2004). In a principle component analysis (PCA), the ancient Levantines clustered predominantly with modern-day Palestinians and Bedouins and marginally overlapped with Arabian Jews, whereas AJs clustered away from Levantine individuals and adjacent to Neolithic Anatolians and Late Neolithic and Bronze Age Europeans. To evaluate these findings, we inferred the ancient ancestries of AJs using the admixture analysis described in Marshall et al. (2016). Briefly, we analyzed 18,757 autosomal SNPs genotyped in 46 Palestinians, 45 Bedouins, 16 Syrians, and eight Lebanese (Li et al., 2008) alongside 467 AJs [367 AJs previously analyzed and 100 individuals with AJ mother) (Das et al., 2016) that overlapped with both the GenoChip (Elhaik et al., 2013) and ancient DNA data (Lazaridis et al., 2016). We then carried out a supervised ADMIXTURE analysis (Alexander and Lange, 2011) using three East European Hunter Gatherers from Russia (EHGs) alongside six Epipaleolithic Levantines, 24 Neolithic Anatolians, and six Neolithic Iranians as reference populations (Table S0). Remarkably, AJs exhibit a dominant Iranian (88%˜) and residual Levantine (3%˜) ancestries, as opposed to Bedouins (14%˜ and 68%˜, respectively) and Palestinians (18%˜ and 58%˜, respectively). Only two AJs exhibit Levantine ancestries typical to Levantine populations.

>This research also shows that most Palestinians have been living in the land of Palestine for at least 5000 years (Early Bronze age Levant).

ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5478715/

Dead Sea Scrolls is basically modern Judaism and predate Christianity

Palestinians are Philistines. Jews are Hittites (Indo-European origins). Totally matches with reality. And it's all described in the Bible.

Referring to the chain of command and organization of religion, there is no longer a Jewish priest caste, or at least not as it was in the past. The texts on which they are clearly based are older but not the organization.

Modern day Jews are a mixture of Middle-eastern and Turco-Khazar DNA. They share nothing with the Indo-European.

I thought Jews were Edomites? I keep hearing about this King Herod who changed the whole lineage thing to be matrilineal from the original patrilineal to prevent ACTUAL Israelites from taking their rightful throne that he usurped.

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im having trouble uplaoding it for some reason, maybe someone here has part two, ive seen it a lot

That is some epic bull.
Say what you will about tribal Arabs, if you take one of them off the street and ask him, he'll recite you his ancestors up to five generations at the very least. Take any red-blood, and he might give you his ancestry right up to frikking Adam.
Arabs know who their dad was. Stop projecting.

Citation. Especially the Quran bit.

Uh, no. The situation was basically:
>Mecca: Heart of Arab civilization, run by Quraish (blue-blood Arabs).
>Madinah: Many Jewish tribes, practically in control.
>Persia and Rome were basically Russia and the US of today. They used Arab tribes for proxy wars.

You mean the Arabian peninsula.

>Muhammed took 75% of his religion from Judaism and Christianity
He was illiterate. He could not have read the books. You try making up a religion from your imagination and what you remember hearing on your travels.
>he himself visited Christian monasteries many times as a child
Citation needed.
>Wear skullcaps
That's a cultural thing that has nothing to do with religion.
>Allat, was the female goddess of war in Arabia at the time
Nah, it was just another statue they worshiped, along with Manat and Al-Ozza.
>green (Islam's color)
See pic. The green silk was added by the Ottomans. The rest is the prophet's banner. Also, citation frigging needed.
>kiss a silver clitoris
Now I know you're pulling it out of your ass. It's the black stone in the middle.
>Narrated 'Abis bin Rabia:
>'Umar came near the Black Stone and kissed it and said "No doubt, I know that you are a stone and can neither benefit anyone nor harm anyone. Had I not seen Allah's Apostle kissing you I would not have kissed you."
[Sahih al-Bukhari Book 26 Hadith 667]

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Spot on my horrible distant cousin . You know we all hate you for what you're doing to our brothers in Palestine

Its true. Modern Judaism is different without than temple/animal sacrifice Judaism in the Bible. It is a split off of Christianity.
Islam is a split off of Arianism.

No shit sherlock they're both Semites, both Christianity and Islam are Jewish religions at their core.

Mohammed genocided the jews in Arabia, so that seems unlikely.

reminder that mohammed got cucked LOL

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See >Neolithic Anatolians and Late Neolithic and Bronze Age European
Literally the definition of a Hittite origin. Exactly what the Bible predicted.

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>Arianism
What's that?

The (actual) Edomites were forcefully assimilated into Judaism after the collapse of Seleucid Empire. Ironically, Herod, an edomite, became king over Israel due to Roman sponsorship. This ended when the Romans annexed the land. The Jews throughout the middle ages and until today identify Rome, and all white people, with the biblical Edom.

Hittite is a Indo-European Neolitihic and Bronze Age civilization that predates the Israelites, and Abraham was a Hittite. Ashkanazi are the true Isrealites, all other Jews are 500 BC converts.

Mohammed was hanging a lot around jews and arian heretics. Of course he got some information from them

Judaism was created AFTER christianity

Disproven en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dead_Sea_Scrolls

The Hebrew Bible was well formed before the NT was even written.

Antitrinitarian christianity where jesus is seen as human only. IT's literally a dogma of islam. It was a religion of early germanic states as well, so mutti merkel is just returnig germany to it's roots

Yes it was formed before NT, but judaism didn't exist before temple was destroyed by romans. Religion of ancient jews was very different, and did not rely so heavily on the Talmud. Judaism was created after jews were dispersed

>poetry and songs are forbidden
Citation or GTFO
>because she was hot as hell
Your lack of citation is concerning
>cucking
It also means that you can't accuse a woman baselessly. Also, rape implies taking a woman against her will (or threatening her with a weapon), which falls under banditry, needs only two witnesses, and there doesn't even need to have been rape in the first place.
Unless you prefer we allow #meToo in our religion?

cuckboy is mad af LOL

>saudi

Most of the Talmud is documenting temple rituals. That's its main purpose actually, if you read up on why the Talmud was written. Rabbinic Judaism has no temple services for the only reason that there is no temple, but the religion is fundamentally unchanged. There is still a hereditary priestly class, and Jews say a prayer three times a day for the creation of a new temple.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Third_Temple

A perfect mix of misinformation and lack of information. Doesnt sound like the scholar the guy is trying to prove he is.

Judaism is a religion formed by rabbis, who were a part of legislature in Judaea, they are not priests, who were sort of mystic caste - descendants of Levi.

Do you mean the Cohen whose gene is more common in the Ethiopian populations than among themselves?

The priestly class till exists though. They just can't do their job because there is no temple.

Islam Judaism and Christianity share the same roots, thats why they are called abrahamic religions
Also Jesus and Mohammed, and Moses are all related with each other
Its all the same, with some slight variations

[Citation needed]

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Basically, you know the Sith and Jedi origin? Where there were a bunch of edgy teenage Jedi who left and swore to destroy the Jedi? That’s identical to the muslim/jew story

before there were only oral tradition, than Rabbi Akiva codified Talmud, and who know what he invented there.

You really are that dumb?
Judaism was founded by Ramesses II following the battle of Kadesh.
The preparation of "temple slaves" for their task took some generations before that.

>tfw no one appreciates my biblical anthropology

I saw your post. Post a source, nigga.

You are dumb. Judaism is a religion of rabbis, and it was formed AFTER the destruction of the second temple. Before the destruction, there was NO judaism, you can call it yahweism or something like that, but it was a religion of priests, not rabbis (who were lawyers)

I had read something of that, it makes me curious how the Jews believe that Rome and Europe are Edom when they had an Edomite king.
But I did not know that it was he who had changed to the matrilineal line.
Is this true?

>modern rebuilding efforts
>no mention of TempleOS
Damn CIA niggers keeping the good lord King Terry down.

You aren't wrong

It wasn't one rabbi by any means. A bunch of Yeshivas wrote the Talmud, one of the larger ones: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sura_Academy

This is also obvious because they are mentioned in the work. Most of the Talmud is a bunch of named rabbis arguing with each other. Basically an ancient version of court stenography.

We can debate judaism or yahweism to no avail.
Jews as a race are more of a dysgenic / eugenic project rather than religion.

>origin of edom
biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Genesis 25:19-34&version=NIV

>info on Edom/Idumea
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edom

>Collapse of Seleucid Empire
1. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maccabean_Revolt
2. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seleucid_Empire#Collapse_(100–63_BC)

>Conquest/assimiliation of Edom
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edom#Classical_Idumaea

>Jewish belief that Europeans are Edomites
1. asknoah.org/faq/edom-magdiel-rome
2. jewishmag.com/169mag/rambam_temple_mount/rambam_temple_mount.htm

Herod did not change the descendance rules in any way. In Judaism, tribal identity is inherited from the father, whereas as jewishnes itself is inherited from the mother. After the Babylonian exile (en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Babylonian_captivity) the distinctions between the tribes was lost.

> Ayman al-Zawahiri, repeated the phrase ("hubal al-'asr") in describing America
adr, ozzu and derivates shows up everywhere here about reading about the pre islamic stuff...
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hubal
this is the god they worshiped in that black box of theirs, and it's obviously Tyr
>Hisham Ibn Al-Kalbi's Book of Idols describes the image as shaped like a human, with the right hand broken off and replaced with a golden hand.

That female godesses or "female side of god" you keep talking about here seems like a mix between frigg and freyja. It says in the quran that she looked unaturally black, freyja's hair is really black, but she is not ofc. But she is not an æsir she is a vanir, daughter of njord

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Týr

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>Jewish belief that Europeans are Edomites
The funny thing is that Jews today are the Edomites and Europeans are Israelites.

Its not even a race. Moses took various people out of Egypt, not some 'ethnic jews', he took also egyptians, egyptian priests who followed him, some other guys etc. It was a mixed multitude.

Actually you have to research egyptian religion to understand why and what moses actually did. In ancient Egypt, people believed that only a Pharaoh can be a human-god hybrid, and he the land depends on him tapping to his divine capacities. There was an attempt to 'democratize' the religion, and some aristocrats gained access to sacred texts. Apparently, Moses wanted to stop this stuff completely, and technically he proclaimed himself as a sort of a Pharaoh, even though he might not have had royal blood at all, but was raised by royals and priests.

Greeks, on the other hand, believed that only Heroes can become gods, guys like Hercules.

>from the mother
Then the Jewish identity was always inherited in matrilineal form?

>Europeans are Israelites.
Only british celts and anglos.

Yes, originally tribal identity mattered, because each tribe had its allotted area in the promised land, and only the Levites could serve as temple priests. These distinctions were all lost over time. As such, only Jewish identity is inherited now, which is and has always been, matrilineal.

>he took also egyptians, egyptian priests who followed him
Well, because conditioning continued in the desert.
To my knowledge, Egyptian priest were brainwashing them further, while leaving them some "miraculous food" known as manna, so they could wander around for decades untill their children were ready.

This is British Israelism?
Is there conclusive evidence that this is true?

The Egyptian priests destroyed their own country so that they could get the Jews out, and then followed them through the desert?

Islamic view of Jesus is based on early Christian view of Jesus, long before anyone thought of the trinity or christology had really taken off.