So what happens to society when this trend of 'hanging out' fully replaces traditional dating and marriage?
I mean it's already happening, guys can't settle down or commit and girls love playing the field until age 30 or so. There has to be some societal consequences of this.
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S A G E u faggot
Wait that's a thing lol? Is that why these chicks won't go past me saying " let's hang out" holy shit i had no idea i really was trying to take these bitches on a fun date. omg no wonder they just stop texting me holy fuck
Everyone my age (24) just 'hangs out' with different people multiple times a week. I can count on one finger the amount of people I know in serious (3 month+ in length and exclusive) relationships. Then again, maybe that's because I work in finance and only know other finance people.
I'm 25 bro i didn't know this is what it had come too, legit I'm not even ugly and i was wondering what i was saying for these girls to be turned off, and i see now its because i ask them out on a date to quick. I have no issue getting their numbers but i guess that's my problem so what do you do just chat on the phone until they want to go out? What's your take?
You goys don't like the hook up culture?
Marriage is dead.
Sooner you realize it; the better it would be for you.
You fuck iv shown my power level here and your not even gonna respond get fucked nerd uk sucks fuck you mohammad
why marry a used up whore who had dozens of cocks in her? it makes a mockery of the whole situation. it's like making sure to add some spices onto a log of shit before putting it in your mouth.
women really screwed the pooch when they thought giving their pussy away round the clock was viable, along with the chad sexual elite who egged them on. I'm afraid that our generation is simply lost.
Cute couple.
I wish I could watch him destroy her cervix with his BBC
Marriage is dead. Next up: niggers. All niggers lust for white women and eschew their own ape-like females. Time to start hanging them from trees, and publicly humiliating the white whores that throw away their bodies and value.
It's called.....Freedom
People living their lives as they choose - that's because of freedom and it's a good thing
until cucks decide that they have the right to tell another human being how to live...that's the real degeneracy - believing that you (a complete fucking nobody) can tell another adult how to live their life
You know that will never happen. All the politicians are too depended on woman/feminists for re-elections.
The nigger woman were the first were one of the first to drink the welfare cool aid. No wonder all the niggers want to run away form all these.
the eternal onions
Marriage is the bedrock of society.
Society is dead.
Damn right, britbong! I'd too would love the snow bunny getting destroyed.
Can you actually refute what he says without resorting to childish ad hominem?
What do you think gives you the right to tell people who they can marry and have kids with?
I know. There are too many stuffy bureaucrats that make it their business to legislate and process their own countrymen into total submission to the government. After the war the egalitarian lunatics used political extortion to declare niggers people in the Constitution. The rest of this catastrophe and farce has played out exactly how anyone would expect.
In this hypothetical scenario, that right would be granted by hot lead taking a nigger's head off for even glancing at a white woman.
Okay but since we live in the real world and not your delusional neckbeard fantasy land, do you actually have a moral argument to justify the state telling people who they can and can't marry?
Only a few more decades and whites will be minority in white countries.
Only genetic engineering can save the white race.
>dating and marriage
Nobody has kids anymore anyway so who cares what its called?
How to easily get girls to become your GF and what not.
>ask them out
>tell them that they should bring a friend and bring your boy
>plan out the date by taking them to some beach or some activite that is not sporty
>do this one more time or ask her too spend time with you alone
>make a move
>now you you use this everytime you want to get laid or find a gf
GL
We won't have a society if we continue as we are.
Any good tutorial for photoshop on youtube?
What do you mean by "we won't have a society"? Can you qualify that statement?
>Society is dead.
Pretty much. (At least as we know it)
If the technology keeps progressing most people would turn asexual.
For men -
Incels/betas would give up and go for sex dolls/vr porn. Chads would keep their harams growing. Normies would keep getting friendzoned, married and then divorced to strip them from their money. (if he is high tier normie even he might get lucky a few times a week)
But the feminist witchunt would keep going.
If the technology can not keep growing. Expect a collapse. (But it may take longer than current generation)
Very bad things.
But you can't expect people to get married for no reason at all.
I'll only get married if I REALLY think it's worth it. And if women can't offer that, I won't marry anyone just because I'm supposed to.
>muh morals
Actually it is more moral not to let the earth become infested with smelly fucking niggers because no one wins then. Are you actually okay with desert goatfuckers breeding like rats in land that has been white European of various tribes for millennia?
Bullshit.
Most of the time men get rejected because their not tall, good looking or rich enough.
Other times because of really autistic behaviors, but that's more rare.
Okay so you have no arguments and are just throwing out racial slurs. I don't know why I expected anything else from Jow Forums
you're a fucking retard with even less of an argument, just weak moralfaggotry and shit tier understanding of consequence
I've noticed this. There's a reason I'm dropping off the grid again. I got to a point with a girl where we were making out and actually going on dates but she still never considered me her boyfriend. This has happened with a few other girls.
I'd rather just walk the earth than deal with this sick society. You'll find me flying a cardboard sign by the interstate and eating out of dumpsters.
>more ad hom
I'm still waiting for you to explain to me what gives you the moral authority to tell people who they can and can't marry.
There is no secret. If they want you, nothing you do is going to mess it up. I did a lot of autistic things with my first gf thanks to the telejew's influence but it didn't matter. One ironic thing is that once you finally get a gf, they'll all start to want you. Girls always want what the other's have.
The original post you were defending stated:
>until cucks decide that they have the right to tell another human being how to live...that's the real degeneracy - believing that you (a complete fucking nobody) can tell another adult how to live their life
Maybe you could explain to me how this statement is reconciled with the existence of the state and court system. Either you have the state to tell people they can't kill niggers for coming near white women, or niggers are getting blasted.
For the record, I agree. I would say I lean towards anarchism. Give me a gun and some land and I'll take my chances, no bunch of stuffy faggots in robes to tell everybody what to do all the time for the sake of muh rule of law. As for morals, allowing the spread of negro and sandnigger genes is immoral because it reduces everyone's prosperity.
>Maybe you could explain to me how this statement is reconciled with the existence of the state and court system. Either you have the state to tell people they can't kill niggers for coming near white women, or niggers are getting blasted.
The state does tell people that. Murder is illegal. Interracial marriage is not.
Laws are based on morality. If you want to get a law passed you had better come up with a better moral argument than "I hate niggers".
Dating has always been a concept of desperate degenerates.
'Hanging out' without expectations helps to see the true character of the other person without manipulating your way into a romance
This is the reason we call it 'american degeneracy'. You imbeciles are even proud of slutting around as part of your 'culture'
You're such a fucking retarded faggot. Moralfags are the worst scum. Use your fucking brain. The west is going to become a third world pile of shit because of weak faggots like you, and you're over here huffing your own farts about how moral you are. The world only works the one way, and revolutions have been known to happen. Also niggers and sandniggers aren't human and should never be given citizenship.
Nobody can, but we can rely on neurology, psychology, biology and history to figure out how 'healthy' a lifestyle is and how it adds to the collective development.
This kind of behavior is on par with romans masturbating in the arenas of gladiators
Yet again you can't come up with a single moral argument and resort to angrily insulting me.
This is why you guys never get anything done. You're completely morally and ethically bankrupt.
I'll give you one last chance: give me a moral argument for why we should, as a society, pass a law banning interracial marriage. Can you do that for me?
Give up on dating and women altogether. Pursue money, power, and positions of importance above all else. Eliminate from your being any notions of love. Love is a chemical reaction. You must see through the ice cold eyes of a stoic to survive the coming America. The whole thing is gonna burn.
Not sure why you're bringing health into this but there are many things that are considered "unhealthy" that aren't outright banned.
Smoking, drinking, eating fast food, not exercising enough, etc...
Should we ban those things too commissar?
>you can't come up with a single moral argument and resort to angrily insulting me
Every response you've gotten has maintained an argument. It isn't a moral argument, but you don't get to frame the parameters of this discussion. In fact I have provided a moral argument in passing: miscegenation or propagation of subhuman genes reduces everyone's prosperity in the long run. More prosperity is more moral.
Now, before you resort again to falsely declaring that I haven't done a thing you've asked in spite of the fact that I have, I just want to say: kill yourself, faggot.
>oh so you're saying that this is bad for society? Give me a argument that I can agree with morally even if I find it morally wrong.
>172415962
>so this is unhealthy for society? Look at these other unhealthy things that have nothing to do with this discussion and that are very common, should we ban them.
Really?
>It isn't a moral argument
And that's exactly why you'll never be able to pass a law on that basis.
Do you understand or do I need to go over this again?
Well you haven't even proven that it's unhealthy but even if we assume that it is that's still not a good enough reason to outlaw it.
Exactly, abuse of these things used to be socially unacceptable in every single civilization until it started to decline.
Define morale in accordance to the primal instincts and environmental influences on our neurological reward system
Your 'morale superiority' is an emotional conditioned doctrine of your overlords to make you an useful idiot, nothing else.
>Exactly, abuse of these things used to be socially unacceptable in every single civilization until it started to decline.
It's still "socially unacceptable" in most circles. It's just not illegal. There's a big distinction there.
>Your 'morale superiority' is an emotional conditioned doctrine of your overlords to make you an useful idiot, nothing else.
You realise that this is a purely subjective argument and that I can make exactly the same accusation about you right?
You already know what happens bong bro. Enjoy these days we're living for they are short.
I base my facts on science and history; yours rely on your subjective morale without any fundamentals.
Really? It seems like I'm the one with the facts backing me up here. If you have all the facts on your side and you can demonstrate that race mixing is bad then you should have no trouble passing a law banning it right?
What's stopping you? Let me guess... the Jews?
WAR
I agree that the existence of the state is the key point here. Is the state's actions always legitimate and legitimized by its historical establishment? What about its very conception and stated ideals? I view the 14th Amendment as a total disaster, the undoing of America and the darkening of North America's future. I could make a pretty good case that this was an immoral and reckless act, despite conversely how someone like you would sieze upon "due process for everyone" as being a moral principle and therefore justified as a legal instrument.
It's good that lawfags insist on moral arguments in the actual business of the court, but this insistence stops short of being able to address the desirability or even the morality of the entire legal system's conception. Go ahead, moralfag it up some more. Tell me about how sandniggers infesting your country is totally fine because some laws were passed a couple of centuries ago and it's better to always be moral and never act to affect the future.
It shouldn't have to be a law.
It would be the natural state of things, if we didn't live in this unnatural, giant "global village." Perhaps a handful would race mix, but not nearly on the level that they do now.
People on your side always come up with arguments like this:
>hurr so you're saying that Congress should pass a law saying you can't have sex until marriage durr?
The goal isn't to make a government that futily tries to restrain human behavior, because just like the over bearing father, this inspires rebellion for rebellion's sake. The goal is to reach a society where the people strive for greater and better things than sex and drugs and food and status...where people are loyal to their families, and to their larger extended families...where people can finally trust one another again, like we generally have in ethnically homogenous communities. The goal is for us, the white race, to return to our ancestral traditions and ways of being, the ways that are natural and normal for us.
We tried to force our little Enlightenment experience on cultures and peoples that aren't amiable to it. That's how we're in this mess.
People like you, have very short sight. Frankly, I don't think "The United States of America" will still be around when all of my goals are achieved. I have a greater vision for the future of white people, and you have....what? a bunch of le based black Trump supporters?
We were actually fighting in a massive war of nationalism versus globalism versus communism.
The gloabalists and communists grouped up to destroy nationalism and pushed a massive anti-nationalism propaganda, that lasted more than 70 years.
Thanks for demonstrating your intellect and good luck with your agenda.
Fuck off fag
would you rather have anarchy or a functional civilization
People need structure and rule or everything devolves back into chaos
>Is the state's actions always legitimate and legitimized by its historical establishment?
Probably not but we can agree that, in a democracy (keyword there), the state exists to enforce the law and protect the rights of its citizens right?
>I view the 14th Amendment as a total disaster, the undoing of America and the darkening of North America's future.
Okay well I have to assume that your moral compass it greatly out of sync with the majority of society.
I can't speak for everyone but the reason why I consider equal rights to be a good thing is because I would want those same rights extended to me were I in a different position in society. It's a fundamental axiom of mine that we should treat others the way we would expect to be treated ourselves. If you don't agree with that then I guess we just differ philosophically.
I've never known anyone like that. Men want to have unrestricted sex, but none of the women I know have have more than a couple of sexual partners. With the exception of one who's literally diagnosed borderline.
>If you don't agree with that then I guess we just differ philosophically.
That's literally all this conversation has been. Giving rights to third worlders with zero track record of civilization level success was a mistake.
I agree that the bong is a faggot, but how else are you going to outlaw interracial marriage and mandate repatriation of nonwhites? Normies only listen to emotional/moral/virtue signaling.
Appealing to faggots like the bong is the only way in a democracy of fags. Please into me a better plan senpai.
I can't prove it is, but like you said let's assume it is to entertain discussion, if something damages society as a whole it should be outlawed, unlike your examples that are bad for the person and very rarely for others, people hanging out with multiple partners has bad effects on society itself, people won't trust their partners fully, women will marry for the purporse of leech and/or divorce rape men, which in turn makes men not want to find a partner, many become the fuck and dumb type, that just goes on fucking many women without any sort of attachment or relationship in mind, this goes very well with the women that do this already and the whole thing becomes a mess where it's socially encouraged to fuck people outside of your relationship, not by people saying to do it, but by the total lack of consequences for doing it, these things often lead to single moms abandoned by the men who fuck and dumb and divorced parents that poison their kids against each other, which leads to these kids growing with emotional and mental problems.
Of course this is all speculation that I say based on what I see, it's not absolute rule and may be completely wrong.
>It shouldn't have to be a law.
>It would be the natural state of things, if we didn't live in this unnatural, giant "global village."
Okay but we live in a globalised world. The fact that an American, a German and an Englishman are having a discussion about politics is proof of that. It's only going to get more globalised as we move forward.
I know that triggers you but that's reality. I'm interested in discussing reality as it is not as you wish it was.
>The goal is to reach a society where the people strive for greater and better things than sex and drugs and food and status...where people are loyal to their families, and to their larger extended families
Are you talking about nationality? Race? Ethnicity? Religion? What do you mean by "extended family"?
It all sounds innocuous when you put it like that but you're basically advocating for racial segregation.
>I have a greater vision for the future of white people, and you have....what? a bunch of le based black Trump supporters?
I have people in office and people willing to lay down their lives to protect the values that I hold dear. You have a bunch of racist twenty somethings with tiki torches.
Well that's your opinion. Personally I think your views are actually abhorrent and I think that a black person would be completely justified in murdering you.
>Of course this is all speculation
That's exactly what I was thinking while reading your post.
You realise that bad marriages and unhealthy relationships occur regardless of race right? Surely that's what we should be seeking to minimize as a society.
This seemed way shorter and way less autistic when I was typing it.
Sorry but I din't mention race at all, it may have seemed like I was implying it because the discussion with the american had it and the OP has a interracial couple.
Oh sorry. I thought you were taking up the whole "we need to stop white women getting BLACKED ;_;" argument.
Reading your post again I would just say that one of the drawbacks of living in a free society is that people are free to make bad decisions. With freedom comes responsibility and all that...
Do we really want the government regulating our personal lives?
That flag in the background.
>Personally I think your views are actually abhorrent
You're suicidal. Perhaps your countrynen will come to their senses and save you.
>and I think that a black person would be completely justified in murdering you.
I just don't want to live around them. Nor for any miscegenation to happen. But apparently murdering people like me is more moral than willful segregation.
Nope, like some user above said, this should not have to be a law, and personally I hope the government never has this power, I just wonder how this can be reverted without the government getting to regulate the lifes of citizens, not only you would need to stop the people creating the problem but you would need to convince the majority of people that what they have been doing is wrong and they should stop, I'm not sure if it's even possible, seeing as how it has destroyed empires before.
>'' Marriage is overrated and only women got favours''
>Why not traditional marriage?''
>This hook up culture is disgusting''
You're not getting either one of those, basement bong, why do you even fuckinf care?
>You're suicidal.
What are you basing that on? I love life and have no desire to die.
>I just don't want to live around them.
Then don't. You can live anywhere you want. That's the great thing about globalism.
>But apparently murdering people like me is more moral than willful segregation.
I thought you were advocating for ethnic cleansing or genocide of all brown people in the US. If that's not your position then I apologise. But if it is then I think that it would be completely justifiable for a brown person to kill you.
I think a lot of this is exaggerated. I mean it's Jow Forums so EVERYTHING is exaggerated. There are some issues with dating these days. It's hard to find love and it's even harder to make that love last. I don't know what the solution is but I'm fairly certain that it isn't government regulation of personal relationships.
when you see (((it)))
And nothing was lost this day
I'm saying that third worlders have no track record of success as societies, or in other words in large numbers. That's the crisis facing America's long term future. Something has to give to prevent that, and it's probably going to be ugly. The result of doing nothing and being a huge moralfag all the way to the bottom is very ugly.
I hope you're right and it's not that bad, if anything what could work is the same tactics that were used to make it acceptable in the first place, pure and unfiltered social marxism along with control of media and scientists, in other words become the subversives that you hate.
I just don't understand how you can think that as an American. Your country is one of the most multicultural and multiracial societies on the planet and it's a very successful first world nation.
I don't understand where this fear of brown people comes from.
I hope so too mate. There are pros and cons to sexual liberation. I still think it's entirely possible to have a long lasting, loving and meaningful relationship as long as you find the right person.
>I don't understand where this fear of brown people comes from.
From observing all of the other brown countries. Their genes and constitution make me more pessimistic than any assurances of education and liberalism make me optimistic.
Yes, my parents are a example of it, sure they have their problems but at the end of the day they love each other and their family, I guess this is the key point of this discussion, love for others and especially the ability to put others before yourself, thing that is not so common nowdays.
Checked
Be this guy....
You know that if you looked at places like Russia or eastern Europe you could just as easily get the impression that white people are fucked right?
People are products of their environments. If you're born in shitty conditions and have few opportunities to better your circumstances then your chances of succeeding in life are greatly reduced.
There are plenty of darkies who come from middle or upper class backgrounds who turn out just fine. Just as there are plenty of white working class chavs who are a burden to society.
I know it's the same in the states.
You don't even need to be Mother Theresa. If we all just followed these simple words: "do unto others as you would have them do unto you" then we'd eliminate a large number of our problems as a society.
I'm not even a Christian.
Agreed, you're a good person brit, good luck with UK.
Thanks Brazilbro. Good luck to you as well.
>People are products of their environments.
I think it has really boiled down to nature vs. nurture and the evidence. I don't see a bright future from having large amounts of mestizos originally from consistently poor and violent countries. They bring that with them at a cellular level.
>They bring that with them at a cellular level.
So how comes there are successful blacks and unsuccessful whites? Did they crack the matrix?
poor white areas are less crime filled than rich black ones, i'ts legit in their blood
degenerates will run out of moderates to recruit from
>poor white areas are less crime filled than rich black ones
What the actual fuck? What evidence are you basing this on?
Everything I've seen shows a higher correlation between crime and wealth rather than crime and race.
kek
>It's a fundamental axiom of mine that we should treat others the way we would expect to be treated ourselves.
If you've ever travelled to overpopulated third-world shitholes like I have, you'll quickly find that's a very bad idea that could result in you either getting robbed, beat up, killed, raped or some combination. Never treat opportunistic scumbags with respect, they're not worthy of it.
Let these roasties burn themsleves out while we have children.