SCOTUS rules 5-4 that non-union workers can no longer form class action lawsuits

okay what does this mean?
am retard

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>only the ruling class should work together, all the rest of you niggers should hate each other and (((compete)))
Kill yourself, neoliberal.

Not at all. The global market is a policy choice, not a suicide pact. Unions, if they weren't hamstrung and atomized under the NLRB, could put a lot more pressure on the ruling class to share their gains and not be entitled little jewish pricks. The NLRB came to be law to prevent just that.

>implying the ruling class and the working class are one and have the same, non-competing interests
Are you this retarded in real life or just on Jow Forums?

Globalism has made unions more powerful than ever before. I sincerely believe unions are terrorist organizations at this point. How does it make any sense that a group of people can collect wages from around the world and use those monies to pressure domestic politicians and workers? It's the same reason we banned the communist party.

>Within a global market
Ah, the engine of national degradation.

Because the 1925 law is VERY specific under what conditions you can override an arbitration agreement, and the NLRA does not directly address those condtions EXCEPT when it comes to unionized members and forming a union.

Gorush's argument is mostly "This is what the laws say", and a big chunk of the dissent was "Fix this you stupid congress".

t. Literate retard. Double check with an actual labor lawyer.

The ruling and working classes are not the same, but they are more similar than the working class of America and the working class of Bangladesh. The nation comes first no matter what. Remove all foreign money and influence. That goes for MNCs and NGOs too. We need to be able to differentiate between organic American opinion and foreign astroturfing.

>more similar than the working class of America and the working class of Bangladesh
How so?
>the imaginary friend comes first
No. The people come first. The imaginary friend has no rights.
>implying that local influence would be any better if it has the right to preserve itself against any and all crimes against the people
No. The USA was always meant to be an oligarchy, and you know this, yet you argue disingenuously for a return to an era of halcyon feudal pastoralism that never existed.

Who are you quoting?

>implying that implying is quoting
Go back.

> I am a multi millionaire.
> willing to risk everything i own, and my reputation to start a business.
Should i do it where labor is high, or a right to work srate where i can compensate employees as i see fit? Dont have a choice? Why should i risk everything to create 1000's of jobs for a pittance return?

>the Randite "I"
You shouldn't have a choice. In fact, you shouldn't start a business at all if your only interest is self-aggrandizement. In fact, you should kill yourself because you're completely replaceable and literally dead weight. In fact, you should kill your larping NEET self for identifying with a class that will always hate you.
Demand creates jobs, not cocksucking.

Let me rephrase that I mean the unions we once had. Modern day unions are a joke because of globalization

unions were always shit, a relapse into feudalism which led us to where we are today, global mercantile feudalism

no nations, just economic zones ruled by corporate lords for the banking royalty

I honestly believe that americans are too dumb to understand what a Union really is. I always read these uneducated comments about Unions being criminal.

On the one hand you have the capitalist who owns all the money and power in the corporation.
On the other hand you have the wage slaves who have no money and no power at all.
At some point in time, they came up with the idea to organize themselves in order to not have to work 14 hours a day for a dollar per hour.
That is what a Union is.
It is an organization of powerless workers trying to balance out against the capitalists.
How is that bad? Unless you are a capitalists trying to exploit workers of course.

Unions were actually worker-led before Taft-Hartley turned them into partners of management. Compare the Molotov cocktail throwing unions of 100 years ago with the teacher's unions of today shutting down strikes against the will of their membership, often without any gains having been realized by the membership.

unions used to be purely a force for good but then they started charging dues for part-time grocery store clerks so a lot of times they're superfluous

They're content with their huge amount of population earning 8US an hour, not adjusted with inflation

Literal slave wage. It's no surprise how anti union they are.

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The absolute state of the USA: "None are slaves so much as those who think they are free."

THIS + open the borders

They are superfluous? If so, who else will stand up against the capitalists? The government surely not and the capitalists of course not.

If your Union sucks, just join one that does not.

Teachers unions ruin unions for everyone else.
Unions representing the worker as a collective bargaining force against their employer is one thing.
But when you have a union to represent employees of the inherently already collectivst/leftist state it ends up in a poison feedback loop wherein the union becomes an entity superceding its employer and changing the very nature of the body that consitutes its employer by flexing its muscle to ensure that its employer becomes gradually more leftwing to pepertuate the cycle of growing the unions power.

Tldr unions in the free market good, unions for public employees bad

"Socialism never took root in America because the poor see themselves not as an exploited proletariat but as temporarily embarrassed millionaires."

I have bad news for you americans: You are delusional.

Well gee, Hans, it must be nice living in a country where unions actually do the things they say they do instead of just taking a cut from your paycheck and not doing jack shit to earn it.

I wouldn't join an organization for money that does nothing in return.

If the company you work at is unionized, you wouldn't have a choice. You either join the union or you get screwed in the pettiest of ways.

One of the things I seriously think the UK should look at from ordoliberal German capitalism is your unions, but there's no way we can get ours out of the grave at this point even if Corbyn won an election next week.

We shall have to do it ourselves, I suppose, but having the state manage this with block minimum wages and arbitration boards is hardly as efficient despite being more effective at keeping wage/price spirals down.

> regurgutates the most basic bitch pro-union propaganda talking points
> pretends to have some kind of profound knowledge
fuck off Muhammad

>Unions were actually worker-led before Taft-Hartley turned them into partners of management.
memes, in my opinion

Worker cooperatives are the manifestation of collective will, not unions, there is no other place for unions but being subjugated. The existence of the union is predicated on the corporate overlords.

Neo-liberals get flayed alive and rolled in slat on the day of the rope.

Die in agony you slimy corporate feudalist fuck.

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>Regurgitates anti-union corporate talking points.
> pretends to have some kind of profound knowledge

Fuck off you neo-liberal kike.

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4 out of 9 judges are kikes

yes, the theory is good
but many unions are nothing but corruption, extortion, nepotism and under the table payments
don't pretend they are not

>but many unions are nothing but corruption, extortion, nepotism and under the table payments

No, that's Capitalists you dumb, lying, clueless fuck. Unions simply allow workers to squeeze some rights and extra money from their nepotistic slave masters.

WERE GONNA WIN SO MUCH YOU GUYS

LE BASED GORSUCH MY FELLOW LOWER CLASS WHITE MAGAPEDES

>class
die marxist scum

> is a Marxist
> calls other people kike

>SCOTUS
hahahaha! more like SCROTUM! Right guys?! HAHAHA!

dear faggot,
you are clueless
t. unionfag for 14 years that finally left tired of the bs

No, within that (((global market))) we need unions more than ever.

>Workers in the US demand a living wage and the right to worker safety for doing all the work.

>Greedy corporations say "lol no" and move the entire industrial base of the US to China to take advantage of Chinese slave labor.

You are a lying, bullshitting, 100% dishonest corporate shill.

>T. Lying corporate shill who has never been in a union his entire life.

>Is a neo-liberal

>Calls other people a kike.

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playing devil's advocate here, wal fart is non-unionized and they treat their workers pretty decently

>yes, the theory is good
Like the engineer said to the physicist, "The difference between theory and practice is larger in practice than it is in theory."

Something that liberals get wrong - and they got it wrong on Gorsuch’s controversial freezing trucker opinion too - is that Gorsuch is interpreting the law as it exists. If you want more labor protection you need to codify it, not bitch that SCOTUS isn’t willing to make up protections for you.

I would agree with you who are saying that Unions often turn out corrupt, criminal or simply lazy.
We have seen several historical examples of that, for example Unions doing business with the mafia or Union leaders being bought by capitalists.
That's probably where theory ends and reality starts -
However, do you have any better idea?
It's just like democracy - it's bad, but the other options are just worse.

This. You have to understand though Heinrich, American politics has a tribal element that causes predetermine emotional responses among a lot of the population based on what they feel aligns with their team. So a lot of people are vaguely anti-union or pro-owner class interests just because they identify with conservatism, and in the US that means thinking that the "free market", which usually also aligns with "individualism" and "everyone out for themselves", is always better. So if a union sounds too "collective", even if it were formed as a voluntary union of workers all looking out for each other's best interests, there is a suspicion and emotional revulsion to it on the basis that it may require things like dues, collective action, being apart of a labor movement historically associated with leftism etc. That well has been poisoned by the ideological rifts in American politics. Nazis try to reposition the narrative to some degree so that they can embrace collective action, but even the ultra-right in America that have sympathies with national socialism are pulled in two directions, one of which is their classic orientation of being against anything that isn't individualistic.

NLRA is an unconstitutional mess. Also, FAA has been used time and time again to short the little guy to compel arbitration. every looked at your internet contract, your phone contract, your credit card contract? you are compelled to arbitrate. It doesn't matter if the contract would normally be unenforceable on grounds of public policy or just human decency. FAA trumps it. Look up AT&T v Concepcion
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AT&T_Mobility_LLC_v._Concepcion
also, gorsuch is basically doing what scalia would do, just as Q predicted

Can confirm what fellow union bro is saying.
I voted for my state to become a right to work state after finding out my union dues get funneled to BAMN’s legal defense

unions currently exist solely to profit the boomer crooks who run them

sums it up here for the union for engineers. They are useless they just take the money and send you this gay ass magazine it's to profit for them selves it's an embarrassment. The regular unions are a lot better though, though actually infested with communists, real ones.

Maybe in Germany unions are good, but here they have become bastions of corruption. You have shitbag unionized teachers making 100k+ and basically just handing out study guides for standardized testing, and they are generally buddied up with upper management so they only provide those "protections" for people who play their fuck-fuck games.

>So a lot of people are vaguely anti-union or pro-owner class interests
government is an illusion in the mind of governors, and in your case the governed

there is no such thing as class, neither the laws of physics nor the laws of god distinguish rich and poor, farmer and party leader, etc

the very idea of class entrenches class, explains it, excuses it, and ultimately defends it against change

you are a tool, you are commoditized outrage, a safety valve to ensure the system is running smoothly, a t-shirt, a battery in the matrix

t. man who lives in a swamp

This. Unions are a good concept and one of the only civil ways to fight against the (((globalized))) adminstrative/HR industrial complex, but THE Unions we currently have now are cancer.

>Unions are a good concept
The concept of unions assumes a greater bargaining authority, which is taken as given. Such an assumption means the union cannot effect change as it is built into its very essence that there is some larger power, against which the union will struggle. This is a philosophical regression from the small amount of insight the existentialists managed to dig up in spite of themselves. Existence should precede essence, we have the Will, but this concept of union undermines it an serves only the devil.

Unions are not a good concept. They are a device the system uses to ensure the system continues to exist in spite of dissatisfaction.

Lel, the idealistic youngster we have here.
So what jewnion do you belong to?
Not even old enough to know what you're talking about boy, fucking uni-cuck retard that fell for the 'workers unite' meme before he even entered the workforce.
No government employee should be able to unionize. They make us tradie unions look like shit because they increase costs to tax payers and always get wayyyyy too many gibbs and snowflake contracts.

t. fully vested union trade hand for 16 years

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In the example he's referring to, grocery clerks, joining and paying dues to the union is automatic and mandatory. It's a common first job so you get your first thought of "fuck these people" right away when you start working. Maybe it's possible if they never existed things would be very hard for blue collar workers, but if you're actually interacting with a union or union workers the levels of corruption and stupidity you see is astounding. I've personally seen union guys from various different unions not work for hours while punched in, and heard stories of work being destroyed, people drinking on the clock, and anything else like this you can imagine.

Somehow they manage to organize it so the unions you're forced to join by your job don't do shit for you, but the ones you have to be a relative to get in allow terrible behavior. idk man it's fucked

it's cute you say join a different one too

The Mob's on suicide watch!

This is putting a stop to the litigation lawyers raquet for all these years!!!!!!!!!!!!!! This is the beginning!!!!!!

Now litigation lawyers will soon have to get Real Jobs for fucks sake! Morgan and Morgan, yiu hear that?????

Thank you Trump! Still Winning!

Isnt it funny, Michael Savage is only person and place Besides/pol/ that i have read or heard this news. Period!!!!

Not ZHedge, Drudge, no MSM? Amazing! This is big people! 5-4 Win!

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>leftists in favor of class action because it sounds and feels good for workers rights
>in reality it's just lawyers scraping the money while everyone else suffers