The Stoic Pill

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But user, if youre nihilistic by definition you arent being stoic. I think I understand where youre coming from but you wont convince me the two work together. Watch the lecture and let me know if you still think that way.

Half truths wont fly around here. Yes, Zeno was a merchant who lost his ship and yes, he may have contributed the groundwork but as you know as well as I do it was Emperor Aurelius who shaped the philosophy as its understood today. Its not communism by any stretch of the imagination and Im not sure what you hope to gain by spreading misinformation.

Not this shit again. Jow Forums is a bastion of romanticism, or at minimum Sturm under Drang. We firmly hold that life must be experienced in all of its extremes. Heavenly joy and deathly sorrow. What a cowardly thing to shield yourself from the experience!

>it's not
Prove it empirically

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Autocorrect saddens and angers me

Communism seeks control over everyone and everything, stoicism seeks control over oneself and only what you can control. How could even mistakenly confuse the two is beyond me.

Wrong
Communism is the elimination of social and natural barriers that divide society into different racial and social and financial and sexual circles. They approve of Toltalitarianism simply to achieve those ends. A Stoic also agrees with their ideals, their method however is different, they believed to change a man within inotder to change society into this ideal, but Marx believed that it had to be changed by force

where do you people get this absolute shit from? dude is pulling assumptions out of his ass like its going out of style

In what universe did you get this information from? Was it because the slave and Emperor both contributed? Even after Marcus had control of the entire empire for 19 years there was still divides along racial, social, financial and sexual circles. There was literally 0 attempt to change any of those things. Not one of the handful of stoics ever argued anything resembling the dismantling of those things, in fact it was the opposite, they accepted them for what they were.

Youre jewish, arent you?

Sounds boring.

Consider me a coward then i don't give a shit, fuck you.

What a fucking moron, you deserve only death.

hierarchies in order for society to function.

I believe it should be destroyed.

i think it broke

I love that lecture on Aurelius. I've already watched it twice.

I need a quick rundown on the relation between Mad Dog Mattis and the meditations of marcus aurelius

I love that lecture, and I would love for this thread to take off legitimately, but I doubt it will.
Thank you op

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"Stoicism is for silver men, for spirited men in the republic who are going to be our guardians. Its an excellent philosophy for military men and for public leaders if they intend to be virtuous, if they intend to pursue the public good. And stoicism is characterized by the rejection of human pleasure as the standard of happiness and felicity. Stoicism takes the position that the wise man, the good man, the philosopher must live in accordance with nature. He fears only abdicating his moral responsibility. He is not afraid of pain, he is not afraid of death. He is not afraid of poverty. He is not afraid of the vicissitudes of the human condition. He fears only that he should let himself down. And that he should be less than a complete man."

Thanks user, I was the one who made the thread last night that made it to the top of the catalog so I know it resonates. Unfortunately the shills saw that too, obviously.

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baka this guy probably thinks Christianity is also a form of Communism. The lengths people will go to abstain from virtue.

>where did you get this information?
>He still divided it under Roman circles
Well no you don't know history. And you don't know Communism. And in order to understand what communism is you need to know why Communism is a form of socialism but not all of socialism. Communism seeks to make the vast majority slaves, all equal under the law and the same. There are better forms of socialism, like Nationalist Socialsm that desire free citizens that are distinctly different and unique. In Communism and Stoicism you need to create similarities not differences to create equality (in their eyes). And this is achieved by enslaving the mass majority of the individuals. All Stoics Aurelius included argued that most people are just cogs in the machine, without identity, only purpose is to work and train them to maintain a slave mentality. I mean the Soviet Union also had some measure of "conservative values" for a time but we all know that it was a communist system

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You should take no action unwillingly, selfishly, uncritically, or with conflicting motives. Do not dress your thoughts in smart finery: do not be a gabbler or a meddler. Further let the god that is within you be the champion of the being you are... one who has taken his post like a soldier waiting for the retreat from life to sound...
book III, 5.

In all of my 31 years Ive never crossed a man who spoke so many words yet said so little. Im genuinely impressed with your ability to misunderstand things and pray you dont reproduce. I wont be replying to you again.

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In Stoicism the masses are just cogs or cells in the divine god that is the cosmos. They are of little importance and they don't have self determination. These goyim are told to "actl calmly" especially when they are "working hard for the machine"

Hey, it's okay though. "...it's impossible for bad men to not act in character." V, 17.

And we all know that Marcus Aurelius and his son Commodus are known for being part of the primary reasons the Roman Empire Collapsed and there was plenty of men who were enslaved inthis whole time period, not to mention all the divorcing career women that were purposely breaking gender Roles in late rome. You think this is all some coincidence?

NOOOOOO DELETE THIS

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Is it just me or is Christianity extremely stoic?

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"Therefore take the decision right now that you must live as a full-grown man, as a man who is making progress; and all that appears to be best must be to you a law that cannot be transgressed. And if you are confronted with a hard task or with something pleasant, or with something held in high repute or no repute, remember that the contest is now, and that the Olympic games are now, and that it is no longer possible to delay the match, and that progress is lost and saved as a result of one defeat and even one moment of giving in."

Epictetus

when faced with darkness accept it and learn to use it famalam

I think this is one of the hardest meditations, of which there are many... most are hard actually, but anyway.
"How have you behaved up to now towards gods, parents, brother, wife, children, teachers, tutors, friends, relations, servants? Has your principle up to now with all these been 'say no evil, do no evil?' remind yourself what you have been through and had the strength to endure; that the story of your life is fully told and your service completed; how often you have seen beauty, disregarded pleasure and pain, forgone glory, and been kind to the unkind." V, 31.

"this is coming from a man who could cut everyones head off if he gets sufficiently angry! So he never does! .... Remarkable... remarkable..."

If stoicism didnt work the shills wouldnt come out against it. Be smarter than that user, ask yourself why completely uncited, unsubstantiated claims of absolute bullshit are thrown around on a website full of shills. They dont want you to regain control of your life.

Unironically stoicism is very compatible with Christianity

The serenity prayer breathes stoicism

"God grant me the serenity. to accept the things I cannot change; courage to change the things I can; and wisdom to know the difference."

Though beyond that, I think Christianity has a significant stoic component, and much of the wisdom of the stoics incorporates nicely into a Christian framework.

Go to /SIG/ on Jow Forums. Obviously has a fitness focus, but we talk about a lot of other stuff too. People would be interested if you talked about stoicism.

When Paul the apostle moved to Greece he encountered platonism and stoicism and subsequently they helped to inform his theology, this is quite evident throughout his letters. So yes, stoicism is quite familiar in many principles to christianity.

Checked. Everything he ever wrote down was absolutely brimming with wisdom. I like the way you think and look forward to sharing a beer with you in the ethnostate leaf. This is the meditation that absolutely floored me, every time I read it Im left speechless.

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Being quiet is the same as being a coward.

Apparently St.Paul also had a classical education, and so would have been familiar with Greek philosophy before converting to Christianity and writing his epistles.

I have the serenity prayer hanging in my car. My life was in absolute shambles before this philosophy lifted me up.

It most certainly is not.
Whenever you wish to cheer yourself, think of the qualities of your fellows - the energy of one, the decency of another... there is nothing more cheering than the virtues manifest in the character of colleagues... so keep them ready to hand. VI, 48

Live according to your nature.

I took the stoic pill quite some time ago, it has made me content with what I have.

That would be possible considering his background prior to his arrival in Jerusalem.
I agree with your comments to that meditation. But the one that rips my heart, and the professor is right in saying the book is shot through with melancholy.
But my personal most emotional meditation regards his one on prayer, because this is coming from a man who had lost a number of his children in child birth, who's personal life was wracked with unbelievable grief and sorrow.
"...one man prays how can I sleep with that woman? your prayer is: how can I be rid of the desire to sleep with her? Another prays; how can I be rid of that man, you pray how can I be rid of the desire to be rid of him. (and here's the fucking heart wrencher) Another: how can I save my little child? ... You pray; how can I learn to not fear his loss...." IX,40

Heartbreaking...

Christ user. My mom had a stillbirth when I was a young teenager, I personally witnessed what that does to parents. To apply stoicism even in the face of that.. I dono man, there will never be another human being like Marcus Aurelius. I wonder if he was able to conquer that fear, that might have been the one even he couldnt win.

But of course, he knows that the child living to term, or to childhood are not within his control.
It is in correspondence to nature, and I think, due to the fact he's constantly telling himself these not reassurances, but reiterations of his personal belief... he was able to endure, because he knows that he can/could.

The beard was popular to show association with the Classical Greeks you autist. Are you that retarded Caesarboo who pops up whenever someone talks about the Meditation?

Though my heart goes out to you and your parents for that loss. I should have said that first, I'm sorry.

But the masses are cogs. If you think otherwise you aren't rightwing, just a racist commie.

Just admit the only reason you're a "stoic" is because you're too afraid to stick up for yourself, a lack of self-respect.

Marcus had I believe 10+ children and all of them died except for 2 before they reached puberty.

I'll stick up for myself and others as much as I am capable within a given situation. The reason I am stoic, or at least working towards a more stoic soul, is because I believe it is an entirely beneficial way to live. Marcus Aurelius literally lead campaigns and had thousands of people killed. Stoic does not mean being a pussy.

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Exercising restraint and discretion OP.
Knowing what battles to fight and not fight makes a difference.

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To be this stupid is an accomplishment. Congratulations.

No need. They tried again a few years later and I got an amazing little brother out of it. Hes currently going through his Chad phase and next month hell be old enough to drink a beer with, it all turned out well in the end.

I.. Wow. After the say, 5th or 6th loss maybe stoicism was the only option he had. Fuck me man.

The shills really arent sending their best these days user

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Stoicism is alright for dealing with passions but shit as an overall dogma, passions must be embraced but tempered or youre no better than a eunuch.

>Im entirely convinced stoicism is the only rational answer

Duh

Hey sorry to shitpost here but I have a question that is kinda related to stoicism and it isn't worth starting a whole new thread for it. My question is that I live in an apartment with really thin walls and every morning my neighbor has sex with his girlfriend before going to work and I'm always up to hear it (I don't have a job). Their bedroom is like right next to my bed and sometimes I hear her moaning and stuff and I get really hard and I'll jerk off to the sound of him fucking her (she's really hot). Lately I think this has been making me want to watch cuck porn. So will reading "Meditations" help me fix this problem? The sound is just realely hot

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I don't think you get it...

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get earplugs

I can't it's too loud. I mean I'm not kidding when I say the wall is like only a couple inches thick and their bedpost bangs into the wall and stuff. The first few weeks it happend I sometimes tried to speak up and ask them to stop but then one time they heard me and stopped for a second and I heard her giggle and then they went at it again even harder so I don't say anything anymore now I just jerk off

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>prove a claim about the abstract (a definition) using a method of observation

Are you actually retarded?

well then in all seriousness;
Move your bed, put up carpets/egg-cartons, use your brain.
There's things you can control and things you can't, that's one of the two keystones of stoicism

Why do I even try

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Yeah but the point I'm trying to get across is that I like listening to it now. So I'm asking how stoicism can help me stop jerking off to my neighbor having sex near me

I dont think you do. Stoicism is generally accepting defeat because heh I never cared anyway. Its nobleized nihilism.

because the gods have created us social animals...(?)

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It isn't accepting defeat, it's accepting things within your control and things outside your control. And it is encouraging you to foster virtues and skills to engage with the world around you by doing what you know you ought to do.
It's doing the best you can as you can.

never engage

circumcision justifies murder

Youre right, either teach them or endure them.

Get a subwoofer and set it up against the wall. Start conditioning them by turning it on when they start boning.
If this doesnt deter them to curtail the morning fucking, continue and then add random intervalsof turning it on for no reason in the middle of the night for periods brief enough to wake them up.

and failing that blame yourself... or not even yourself...
The fucking cheek on this Marc eh?

Its fine as a temporary meditation when the passions lead you astray but in terms of a guiding ethos its absolute do nothing tread water dogshit.

"Do what you know you ought to do"
that's not treading water, that's literally a call to action

You might just be the greatest shitposter this board has seen in a long time

The addendum is its always best to talk to people first as it is more civil and leads to better outcomes.
That being said some people need to be forced to appreciate the intracacies of communal living before they are humbled.

You continue to astonish user. The truth is the exact opposite of what you claim, if followed earnestly it makes the best possible version of you the only option.

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Eh I mean part of it is its contradictory nature. On the one hand you have quotes like that and on the other a bunch of "lol fuck it dood its out of your power of will accept what you have and b happy".

Its not really a philosophy healthy for a young man, who needs irrational confidence and bravado to reach for his highest potential.

It's an important pill and one ignored by modern Christians

Posturing with cartoons of wojack doesnt really lemd credence to your argument and in fact you generally come across as the sort of self-assured PHIL 101 douche that thinks hes attained Nirvana by cracking open Epictetus, which is why I engaged the leaf and not you, dont @ me.

If you want irrational confidence and bravado get a script of xanax. While I agree that stoicism isnt the perfect fit for every last person on earth it certainly is for most here. Dont take away from someone that which might genuinely help them.

"...display those virtues which are wholly within your own power - integrity, dignity, hardwork, self-denial, contentment, frugality, kindness, independence, simplicity, discretion, magnanimity..." V, 5

I would wager you have never read the book, nor have you watched the lecture provided above.

Right similarly dont sell snake oil to anons bfause you've mined some inspirational photo babbys first personal abstraction quotes.

If you want true stoicism pop some xanax and smoke weed and fuck it d00d. If you want irrational confidence and bravado do blow and liquor.

here is your modern version of stoicism:
>do whatever the fuck you're doing
>someone will inevitably be annoyed
>continue doing it and act oblivious to their attempts to annoy or. stop you
>they will chimp out and leave

A gross oversimplification, but a practical first application of the school yes.

Serenity now!

If youre referring to meditations I havent, did some Chrysippus/Epictetus in uni. Been meaning to get around to Meditations but with how hard its memed here I can live without.