This is the real political spectrum. It triggers leftists if you point this out to them

This thread proved itself very quick.

My only criticism is that its just Authoritarian vs. Libertarian. I don't disagree that a true right wing vision is zero government. I think its something like this. There is two sides of the authoritarian spectrum depending on moral values.

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Then I am a proud lefty,kek guess is time to ally with all those commies and socialists to kill capitalists.....

What do you spergs think the purpose of the left-right spectrum is?

Ideally its meant to depict proximity of ideology, not just some arbitrary facet like government control.

Anarchists are left wing and thus rarely form alliances/get along with anarcho-capitalists. Fascists are right wing and thus never get along with communists.

The common theme here is belief in hierarchies, not belief in government.

SO many lefty fags triggered over hearing the truth.

>implying govt isn't a hierarchy...

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did u just call me a leftyfag you nigger lover. All i did was point out that Nazbol and Natsoc are not even close on the political scale. Nazbol is pure evil while Natsoc is morally good but has the authoritarian position that can be corrupted. Can you please critically think or just go back to plebbit

>real
>meme
>look i made another chart mom
why don't you visit some other board, kiddo

Does this mean Jow Forums is a leftist board?

OP you are a fucking retard.
...Fascism and Absolute Monarchy are not "Left" they are "Right" and both are pretty fucking far form No Government. Maybe if you took one of the cocks out of your mouth you could focus on some Google-based research. Just don't research the Holocaust or you'll get prison. Be a good little slave now you joke of a human being.

Also, I much prefer the Right to the Left, and I'm libertarian... except when thinking of a ethno-state, in which cause I'd go full NatSoc

OPs pic is true in some ways but wrong in others.

this

Its a 3 sided system, desu left lib isn't even real. Jow Forums is a authoritarian right and a ancap board.

>usa has huge government. the biggest in the world
I dont consider this a good thing

That's why its a left-right spectrum, you can be left wing whilst still accepting some forms of hierarchy and right wing whilst rejecting hierarchies. Anarchists and Stalinist are both left wing but anarchists reject hierarchies of government, class etc. whereas Stalinist's see a justification for government.

I'm not left wing I'm just not retarded.

>biggest in the world

Israel's extended reach over western civilization and most of east asian countries dwarfs the burger gov. America holds power because jews have interests in hollywood, wall street, fed gov, and silicon valley. The benefit of the United States is the massive military and armed populace(gun control push breaks this argument for me). Jews like assets in the US because the US won't fall unless the jews want it to fall.

Hitler was a liberal arts student that later became a socialist leader that blamed the bad life of poor people in the evil rich burgoises ( in that case the jews - in nowdays he whoild blame the evil white male)

that's because you're engaging in sophistry and willfully interpreting "size of government" literally and out of all relevant contexts rather than as a measure of laws vs freedom as its intended in this context. cuz you're a shithead lefty and you're triggered by the truth of the meme like i said. end of story.

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like you live in an authoritarian country. do you get it? that's the context its intended as.
you also can't very well measure the literal "size" of my government vs yours, when your country is a fraction the size of mine, with a fraction of the population. so like i said, you're engaging in sophistry. it's just retarded. people are used to this shit and they dont fall for anymore though IMO, muhammed.

lol. someones triggered.
the us goverment is so big it rules people in nations on the other side of the world. It nuked Japan twice. Its incomparable to any other government currently or in history.

The us government is incredibly authoritarian

>Anarchy
>Right
pick one

no it's not. that's not true. not compared to other places in the world. compared to other places in the world its about exactly where OP put it in his pic related.
>unironically saying "triggered" cuz someone disagrees with you and called you out on your sophistry
yeah again you just aren't understanding the whole thing. i get it. you're butthurt about the US having a bigger and better military than you. it makes you feel small and as if your weenie is inadequate. too bad. that's really not something that has to do with left vs right political ideology though. that's a matter of us being the best by test and the most successful on the world stage. end of story.

like a military is something we use to defend ourselves from others. that has nothing to do with our domestic policy and the way we actually run our homeland. they're separate issues. sorry muhammed. allahu ackbar and stuff tho, srs.

>Implying America hasn't bankrolled or out right sold weapons to nearly every dictatorship under the sun

literall retards detected,
putting facsism and communism as same spektrum

let me fix it fo ya jus a moment

>This is the real political spectrum.
No, it is an extremely reductionist and uninformative info graphic.
It is also insane to call "Fascism" either left or right or call Anarchy "right wing" in any way.

If you had written "statism" and "anti-statism" instead of left and right it might have not been wrong and just uninformative.

you guys can get as butthurt as you want about american foreign policy. i dont care. you don't mean anything to me. the world is a dangerous place. we don't fuck around in the USA. we will blow your ass up.
none of that has anything to do with political ideology. every nation in the world would infalte their military to our levels if they could. literally. every. nation. in. the. world. it's not a question fo "big vs small government".
"big vs small government" in the context OP is referring to is a question of legislation and actual laws passed. it's a question of where you place the governments responsibility over its own people. how much authority does it have? how much scope does it have? here in the USA we are still pretty free. we used to be more free. we're still pretty free. that's the fact.

it's not my fault you guys refuse to "get it". you think you're calling the OP and me out and making yourselves look smart, but you're just revealing yourselves as the butthurt sophists that you all are. playing the old "we're going to intentionally misinterpret the language in a political discussion" game that people always play.

I see you guys desperately calling redpilled people Jews as well. I see your post and instantly recognize who is jew. You guys are obvious

lik srs you understand that in the USA we dont have socialized healthcare, right? you understand we have a constitution that restricts the government, yeah? you understand we have states rights still? you probably just dont know much about our civics.

if all you can do is whine about "muh big USA military" then you're making a retarded argument. military is for self-defense and a necessity. you'd all take our military if you could have it and you know it. end of story.

>the defining aspect of the left / right spectrum is big government vs small government.
That is so incredibly reductionist and uninformative that it makes no sense to even have a "left" or a "right", these are umbrella terms to vaguely describe a large set of beliefs, if you COULD reduce them to a single aspect these words would become meaningless.

Also neither Anarchism, nor Communism are inherently statist ideologies and putting Tyranny *anywhere* means that you didn't understand the word.

Stop embarrassing yourself.
I didn't even mention the US.

I reject 2D politics

>Also neither Anarchism
Also neither *Socialism

And 1D makes it even less informative.

Are you in favour of letting people abort, change sex, claim they are giraffe, let everyone in with no border control?
If not you are a filfthy leftist.

Still more balls to be pro white than these anti white open border capitalists. Capitalists and communists are two sides of the same coin. Worked together to destroy a white working party in ww2 as well let communist take half of Europe for their cooperation

>redpilled people
>lefties
also wtf i didnt even say anything about jews. literally wtf sort of shit do you smoke?
>anarchism and communist arent inherently statist
omfg wow that's so rich. so you're one of those people huh? congrats, you're retarded and insane.
anyway you're wrong. just like i said, you're just proving my point. the people who get butthurt over the truth of OPs meme are just butthurt lefties. they don't like the truth to be revealed like that. they always try to claim "THATS NOT TRUE!"
anyhow it is true. the right wing of the political spectrum is about reducing government, often to the detriment of the individual. the left wing wants to grow it and put the government in charge of everything. when lefties see an "injustice" in the world or something they dont like? the answer is "lets get the government to pass laws and take care of it!"
that's how it is. there is literally zero denying it or arguing it. end of story.

>wiretaps your phones
>militarizes the police
>erodes the constitution
>works with corporations to catalog and record everything you have ever said on the internet

DURR YOU THE ONE THAT DONT GET IT
UR DA DUMMY

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This is the true political spectrum.

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I can't remember the last time our military was used to defend American interests. They should declare war on mexico for invading us if they were serious

you're wrong and stupid and fuck you.

stop sliding this board with horseshit.

omg shut up. you're the only one embarassing yourself. obviously your ID got tagged by mistake.

>>anarchism and communist arent inherently statist
>omfg wow that's so rich. so you're one of those people huh? congrats, you're retarded and insane.
This is a statement of fact, Communism is NOT a statist ideology (according to Marx), in fact the end goal of communism is to abolish the state.
It is the same for many socialists, they to don't want a state, they just want everybody sharing by themselves without any state intervention.

Again, this is just a statement of fact.

I'm a white American and I'm not free. Keep repeating that shit to yourself. Capitalists are shutting down our free speech on all platforms. Fuck your system

>anyway you're wrong. just like i said, you're just proving my point. the people who get butthurt over the truth of OPs meme are just butthurt lefties. they don't like the truth to be revealed like that. they always try to claim "THATS NOT TRUE!"
>anyhow it is true. the right wing of the political spectrum is about reducing government, often to the detriment of the individual. the left wing wants to grow it and put the government in charge of everything. when lefties see an "injustice" in the world or something they dont like? the answer is "lets get the government to pass laws and take care of it!"
>that's how it is. there is literally zero denying it or arguing it. end of story.
No, this is factually wrong.
Again, if you define "left" and "right" by a single principle these words lose their meaning.

That chart has Fascism on the wrong side
Fascism is called "reactionary modernism" for a reason.
Hitler was essentially a proto-transhumanist.

Please take a deep breath and think before you post.

yeah wow you made a couple greentext bullet points but obviously you haven't spent much time outside the US or taken stock of what the situation in other places in the world ACTUALLY is.
honestly, i've gotta go to bed, but before i do i just want to say i genuinely fucking hate people like you. people who live in the USA and do nothing but shit on it while having absolutely no clue of what things are like outside of this country and how much better we have things by contrast compared to the vast majority of places on planet earth, even in the west.

also FWIW most of those things only started once the country got mutted up by immigration. the actual white "american" population that lived here in the 20th century didn't stand for that shit. there was still a strong militia presence in the USA ready to "rise up against the government in protection of our civil liberties" up until the 90s.

Your inability to keep up with current events and understanding the basis of politics is not the fault of the guy you are replying to.

>Communism is NOT a statist ideology (according to Marx)
oh yeah, look, that old line that communists always spout again and again and again in order to gaslight their true intentions, except they did it so much that literally everyone in the world has caught on now and knows how full of shit they are.

i gotta go to bed loser, goodnight. have fun with your marxism and stuff and unironically convincing yourself that you're literally "the only one who truly understands Marx" just like every other commie.

>oh yeah, look, that old line that communists always spout again and again and again in order to gaslight their true intentions, except they did it so much that literally everyone in the world has caught on now and knows how full of shit they are.
>i gotta go to bed loser, goodnight. have fun with your marxism and stuff and unironically convincing yourself that you're literally "the only one who truly understands Marx" just like every other commie.
You are delusional and wrong.
Marxists and mayn socialists are anti-state, you lying about their words doesn't change that.

ok butthurt monkey
>fucking fixed it for ya!

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wow i got an extra ID tagged in a post, you're right. i must just be emotionally unstable or something. everything i say must be totally nullified and untrue because of that fact, right?

jesus christ, you people are always the same. the absolute lowest that humanity has to offer.

again, goodnite.

>shits up the majority of the world with economic and militaristic imperialism
>Destroys any nation that has the audacity to try and have a system independent of global mass finance

Shove your fucking pseudo-libertarianism up your ass you fucking retarded shithead. The level of fucking arrogance and delusion you have is insane. What ever fucking happened to libertarians actually caring about the goverment treading on your god damn rights? You people are the most spineless fucking pussies to ever walk the Earth and you bring nothing but shame to the United States of America.
Fuck you

This fascism ultimate goal is to advance humanity to a galactic empire by uniting the world in a realistic way

>wow i got an extra ID tagged in a post, you're right. i must just be emotionally unstable or something. everything i say must be totally nullified and untrue because of that fact, right?
No, I told you to take a deep breath.

100 years ago US government spending was ~15% of gdp (this is about the time federal income tax was starting and women gained the right to vote). It's now 30-35%. It's nowhere near the right side of your shitty spectrum. Income tax is stupid

Saying you are anti state but then using a state to stop capitalists means you arent anti state

BEHOLD!!!! THE TRUEEST POLITICAL SPECTURM

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>>unironically saying "triggered" cuz someone...
This is YOUR post: you fucking idiot. Lol.
>you're butthurt about the US having a bigger and better military than you
No - this is lefty. I want a small government. You're literally defending paying high taxes to fund interventionism and calling it "right wing". Lol.
>as if your weenie is inadequate
What are you 12?
>we use to defend ourselves
No - you're invading oil rich countries on the other side of the planet. Thats not "defence"

You are the dumbest guy I have spoken to on here

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before i go to bed, i'm just going to say that this "we are anti-state" line isn't fooling anyone anymore. literally nobody. like we've all seen it pulled too many times. we all know how dishonest you are being.
do you really think you're exposing people here to new information? do you think they havent heard this from a thousand different ANTIFA faggots like yourself before?
dude, you aren't anti-state. end of story. it's a marketing gimmick for you. period. you aren't. you are statists. you are huge statist authoritarians. end of story. there is no denying it. there is no worming out of it. saying "we want to abolish the state 10000 years from now when humanity evolves to its highest potential!" does not make you "non-statist" when your solution to get humanity to that point is worldwide socialism and the state-sponsored genocide of everyone who disagrees with you or doesnt fit into your utopian vision.

now pls fuck off and kill yourself. i'm going to bed. you raging autist.

(INB4 you try to deny this is actually what your political ideology is about, even though it factually is)

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This is fairly correct except I see USA being much further left

triggered leftist faggot lmao

>Saying you are anti state but then using a state to stop capitalists means you arent anti state
The dictatorship of the proletariat is just one step in reaching the communist utopia.

Look, I am not defending Marx I just repeat his words.

That's literally the opposite of what left/right actually mean. The terms originate from the French revolution where the right wing were the monarchists.

Gee its like politics cant simplified to "left" and "right"
Why dont you view each movement as their own and compared to others than try to shoehorn it to left or right?
Left/Right belongs to 1800s.
Is man on the Left or Right if supports free market and family values but is ok with gay people, wants controlled immigration and wants to preserve nature?

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>before i go to bed, i'm just going to say that this "we are anti-state" line isn't fooling anyone anymore.
You are just uneducated about communism.

>like we've all seen it pulled too many times. we all know how dishonest you are being.
>do you really think you're exposing people here to new information? do you think they havent heard this from a thousand different ANTIFA faggots like yourself before?
>dude, you aren't anti-state. end of story. it's a marketing gimmick for you. period. you aren't. you are statists. you are huge statist authoritarians. end of story. there is no denying it. there is no worming out of it. saying "we want to abolish the state 10000 years from now when humanity evolves to its highest potential!" does not make you "non-statist" when your solution to get humanity to that point is worldwide socialism and the state-sponsored genocide of everyone who disagrees with you or doesnt fit into your utopian vision.
I am NOT antifa(more llike antiantifa), I just restate Marx words.

Marxsim ends in Anarchy, of course the ideology completely fails and ends in a dictatorship, that DOES NOT change the goal ideology, which isn't so hard to understand.

99% of American "libertarians" are brain dead morons who voted for Bush twice and supported the Patriot Act

>putting fascism and socialism anywhere near communism
kike propoganda spotted

kek

i kek'd

>Marxsim ends in Anarchy
If you believe Marxism itself instead of reality, that is.

buddy military is just a fact of life. sorry. ever open a history book? people fight. they invade. you're just pissed that we''re the best at it.
but yes, we do have a comparatively small government to most european nations even by the metrics you're discussing if you actually measure us next to GDP, geographical size and population.
again though, you're totally missing the point.
also i'd point out that the USA hasn't been a "right wing" nation for a long long time now.

anyway i really do gotta go to bed. BTW don't say anything "offensive" to me or i'll report you to britains hate crime division and have you arrested. i can literally do that in your country because your insane repressed laws, you know.

>we''re the best at it.
>Looses to Vietnamese farmers

The fallacy of limited government is revealed by the passive tense. If a government is sovereign, its power is not limited by another. If it’s power is limited by another entity, it is that entity which is sovereign.

Bring back monarchy.

>that german murica fanboy again
on that pic, USA should be far left nowadays, sweetie

>if supports free market and family values
fucking Right reactinary idiot, thats who you are,
cause beiing fucked by "free market" every day and still supporting it- well it is retarded

so a hypothesis is not judged by the results it produces?

>You are just uneducated about communism.
there it is! the line every commie tries to bust out once they get BTFO'd! the last dying gasp of a communist who just called on his retardation is "bu bu bu but u just dont understand what communism really is!"
>I am NOT antifa(more llike antiantifa), I just restate Marx words.
nobody fucking cares what you call yourself. you're all the same faggots. you aren't special, you fucking snowflake.
>Marxsim ends in Anarchy, of course the ideology completely fails and ends in a dictatorship, that DOES NOT change the goal ideology, which isn't so hard to understand.
no it actually doesn't. that's called a "salespitch". that's called "rhetoric" ok? that's called "a complete transparent lie". nobody is going to believe "we're going to build the government up to extreme authoritarian statist proportions, then murder off anyone we don't like (literally kill billions of people) and then the government will just magically disapear because people are in power are good hearted and nice!"

yeah, no. you don't believe that. ANTIFA doesn't believe that. Marx didn't believe that. it's called a LIE. picture vaguely sort of reltaed.

now i really am going to bed. for real for real now. good bye forever.

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>so a hypothesis is not judged by the results it produces?
Yes, you are judging the ideology not hypothetical or historical outcomes of applying that ideology.
That is the only thing you really can do.

This.

>ANTIFA doesn't believe that. Marx didn't believe that.
Both of them do, and EXPLICITLY say so.

Not that anarchism is a good thing.

>focus on some Google-based research

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what a stupid comment to make. we could have leveled vietnam and turned every man woman and child there into glass. we chose to leave. we refrain from doing things like that because we have concepts of "human rights" in our society.
dumb argument on your part. same as all your others.

so we are just gonna ignore the human condition?

THAT COPE

You just got BTFO.

>but yes, we do have a comparatively small government to most european nations
Wtf? Is this guy even on the same planet? What a fucking retard.

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>so we are just gonna ignore the human condition?
What does that have to do with *anything*??

>EPEC burger butthurt
>we could have leveled
why didnt you burger?
cause cocksucking pussies you are

Communism is stateless by default, you're reffering to socialism.

>Communism is stateless
nobody wants to hear your mindless commie spew, you fucking runt.