Have you read

I think you are expecting the similarities between the two to be far to close.

But besides that I think you should go back to the late republic and see for yourself they very much were near collapse

In 207 bc hanibal owner half of Italy and was outside the gates of Rome, multiple times the city thought it was doomed

They got a 50 year reprieved by defeating Carthage but leading up to Caesar you hadassibe invasion by Germanic tribes and Greeks genocide for Roman colonists in the east; you have massive economic upheaval and inequality, revolutionary politics, including dozens of major assasinations.

You had growing militarism and 100 years of bear continuous civil wars.

You had multiple dictators and yes you had major degenercy especially leading up to Augustus who literally enacted massive morality legislations for women who behaved whorishly (including his own sister)

Then once the monarchy was in place there was more upheaval and the romans went through somewhat of a “dark age” with Nero, Caligula, Tiberius. Who were seen as sadistic tyrants

It wasn’t until something like 50 ad that the empire behave to function well and it only lasted for about 200 years before the crisis of the third century

The modern west and USA is far from collapsing, not going anywhere.

And if

Milenials are having less sex than boomers and gen X-ers. We are going down in sexual degeneracy.

Yeah fags on here that are young domtmrealize that most measures of degenercy are down

>drug use down
>crime down
>sex partners down
>age of virginity up
>teenage preganacy down
>poverty down
>alcohol abuse down

Etc etc.

The only thing that is going up that’s bad is single motherhood and birth rate being way down

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I seem to recall gibbon as being pretty fedora tier on religion.

Its gone through a fuck ton of cycles. Its all good family.

For a second consider Roman plays as well.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lysistrata

Lysistrata

"Army Disbander") is a comedy by Aristophanes. Originally performed in classical Athens in 411 BC, it is a comic account of a woman's extraordinary mission to end the Peloponnesian War by denying all the men of the land any sex, which was the only thing they truly and deeply desired.

just this play by itself echos strongly the situation we are in at this moment... women deciding they know better and should be in charge...however it all backfires and they BEG to have men take over again

Donald Trump is the Aurelian of our day

but are they pious or simply socially destroyed?
it seems the biggest reason sex is down is that it has become globally acceptable to be choosy about whom you fuck AND if you marry them.

gone are the days when you would meet the local girl down the road and have a family due simply to an overall LACK of partners

That might be good for the genepool though.

> that badass book spine design choice

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>The History of the Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire?

I have - its not that great and over simplifies the decline and fall of the Roman Empire.

Not that most people here will care about that though lol

Most of it. Yeah, the later empire becomes multicultural, the power shifts away from true romans and things fall apart.

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Any nuhistory you would recommend? Perhaps something without Marxist or anti western overtones? I understand that’s asking a lot from modern scholarship.

The "Connections" series by James Burke is pretty pro-west.

>3000 pages and 6 volumes spanning the reigns of Marcus Aurelius - 476 over 300+ years

>oversimplifies

You probably think it’s because Rome had lead pipes and it made everyone insane along with other pop history nonsense

wesley.nnu.edu/wesleyctr/books/1001-1100/HDM1028.pdf

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better, all 6: freeclassicebooks.com/edward_gibbon.htm

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Who is Nero of current time?

>RESTITUTOR ORBIS
really???
Lincoln was more like Aurleian
>ended civil wars
>got assassinated in the end

things were good when "true romans" ruled
>civil wars
>slave uprisings
>famine
>pirates
Basically a lot of the same problems when non-romans ruled later on, except they had a larger territory to rule.

If you actually read Gibbon, he argues that the decline during the 3rd century was not restored due to a failure to resolve invading peoples and a failure to restore the previous economic prosperity (by means of maintaining safe roads, stable currency etc)

In fact, emperors during the restoration were rarely true romans
>Aurleian
>Probus
>Dioclecian
>Constantine

this, you better off reading Flavius Josephus

also the real collapse came with Muhammed, when Arab barbary pirates essentially locked up the Meditterrean Sea for a couple of centuries.

2040
youtube.com/watch?v=E4vGRw4YdWc

Josephus was a Jew that sucked the Roman cock dry.

He says that his patron (Titus) didn't destroy the Temple in Jerusalem, but it was the Jews themselves.

I know this is Jow Forums but really?

Polybius is better, but with him you only get the Republic

I don't care desu. All I want is a total war. I am bored with this life because ABSOLUTELY NOTHING interests me enough to fill my time with but the thought of an all out doomsday scenario makes me excited.

>all knowledge is lost and mankind has to startover.
Doubt this will happen this time. There are shit tons of dataservers that has all information humankind has stored, if war would break out, or degenaration goes too far they would probably make more of those datasenters. But yeah, west is in bad shape, need hitler was to fix.

2400 pages. Going to read it when I find time.

Study psychology and become a sociopath, you can start the Total War. It just takes immense amount of Skill and Will. It took hitler multiple years to get to where he got.

Hitler wasn't a sociopath.

>I have - its not that great and over simplifies the decline and fall of the Roman Empire.
6 volume work over-simplifies? Compared to modern historians, Gibbon goes into fine details.

Read the actual Classics

Pre-Empire
>Plutarch
>Polybius

Empire
>Suetonius
>Livy
>Tacitus
>Josephus
>C. Dio

>Augustine Histories if you are smart enough to parse through the crap, which Gibbon does for you

Gibbon is really good, granted you have a version with updated notes for corrections. The writing is also top-notch, Churchill read Gibbon all his life and used it as inspiration for his speeches.

Genesis 6 English Standard Version (ESV)
Increasing Corruption on Earth
When man began to multiply on the face of the land and daughters were born to them, the sons of God saw that the daughters of man were attractive. And they took as their wives any they chose. Then the Lord said, “My Spirit shall not abide in man forever, for he is flesh: his days shall be 120 years.” The Nephilim were on the earth in those days, and also afterward, when the sons of God came in to the daughters of man and they bore children to them. These were the mighty men who were of old, the men of renown.

The Lord saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every intention of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually. And the Lord regretted that he had made man on the earth, and it grieved him to his heart. So the Lord said, “I will blot out man whom I have created from the face of the land, man and animals and creeping things and birds of the heavens, for I am sorry that I have made them.” But Noah found favor in the eyes of the Lord.
Rome was CRUSHED by the WEIGHT of their own ABSURDITY.....

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The Lord saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every intention of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually. And the Lord regretted that he had made man on the earth, and it grieved him to his heart. So the Lord said, “I will blot out man whom I have created from the face of the land, man and animals and creeping things and birds of the heavens, for I am sorry that I have made them.” But Noah found favor in the eyes of the Lord.

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late republic is more like the US civil war era, what we have now is elagabalus level

Yes I read it all. From the Antonines to the fall of Constantinople by the Turks.

It is one of the great humanist works of European history, and filled with countless good sources. That said, there is plenty wrong with Gibbon.

Still the parallels to our day is incredible. The destruction of the upper and middle classes. The forced devaluation of currency. The massive increase in foreigners and foreign men in the military. The use of mercenaries, the growth of degeneracy and destruction of etiquette and protocol. The godlessness and throwing off of religion.

It's bad. God help us

Genesis 11 English Standard Version (ESV)
The Tower of Babel

Now the whole earth had one language and the same words. And as people migrated from the east, they found a plain in the land of Shinar and settled there. And they said to one another, “Come, let us make bricks, and burn them thoroughly.” And they had brick for stone, and bitumen for mortar. Then they said, “Come, let us build ourselves a city and a tower with its top in the heavens, and let us make a name for ourselves, lest we be dispersed over the face of the whole earth.” And the Lord came down to see the city and the tower, which the children of man had built.

And the Lord said, “Behold, they are one people, and they have all one language, and this is only the beginning of what they will do. And nothing that they propose to do will now be impossible for them.

Come, let us go down and there confuse their language, so that they may not understand one another's speech.” So the Lord dispersed them from there over the face of all the earth, and they left off building the city. Therefore its name was called Babel, because there the Lord confused the language of all the earth.

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And from there the Lord dispersed them over the face of all the earth.

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God Destroys Sodom
The sun had risen on the earth when Lot came to Zoar. Then the Lord rained on Sodom and Gomorrah sulfur and fire from the Lord out of heaven. And he overthrew those cities, and all the valley, and all the inhabitants of the cities, and what grew on the ground. But Lot's wife, behind him, looked back, and she became a pillar of salt.

And Abraham went early in the morning to the place where he had stood before the Lord. And he looked down toward Sodom and Gomorrah and toward all the land of the valley, and he looked and, behold, the smoke of the land went up like the smoke of a furnace.

So it was that, when God destroyed the cities of the valley, God remembered Abraham and sent Lot out of the midst of the overthrow when he overthrew the cities in which Lot had lived.

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The Flood

The Lord saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every intention of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually. And the Lord regretted that he had made man on the earth, and it grieved him to his heart. So the Lord said, “I will blot out man whom I have created from the face of the land, man and animals and creeping things and birds of the heavens, for I am sorry that I have made them.” But Noah found favor in the eyes of the Lord.

***

The Tower of Babel

Now the whole earth had one language and the same words. And as people migrated from the east, they found a plain in the land of Shinar and settled there. And they said to one another, “Come, let us make bricks, and burn them thoroughly.” And they had brick for stone, and bitumen for mortar. Then they said, “Come, let us build ourselves a city and a tower with its top in the heavens, and let us make a name for ourselves, lest we be dispersed over the face of the whole earth.” And the Lord came down to see the city and the tower, which the children of man had built.

And the Lord said, “Behold, they are one people, and they have all one language, and this is only the beginning of what they will do. And nothing that they propose to do will now be impossible for them.

Come, let us go down and there confuse their language, so that they may not understand one another's speech.” So the Lord dispersed them from there over the face of all the earth, and they left off building the city. Therefore its name was called Babel, because there the Lord confused the language of all the earth.

***

God Destroys Sodom
The sun had risen on the earth when Lot came to Zoar. Then the Lord rained on Sodom and Gomorrah sulfur and fire from the Lord out of heaven.

So it was that, when God destroyed the cities of the valley, God remembered Abraham and sent Lot out of the midst of the overthrow when he overthrew the cities in which Lot had lived.

Who is NEXT?

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define sociopath

its nothing more than white supremacy capitalist propaganda. they claim to the "white man" created everything and inflate the egos of racist littelr rats like the people on this form. they ignore that most of the roman empire was builit on the backs of black and brown peole much like todya. we livei n a society that allows the police to kills young men who have their hands up and say and i quote mike brown "i have my hands up officer please don't shoot"j... then the fucking cops shoots him dead and half the country sides wit hthe cops. then when blacks rebel and destroy the city. basically sayign "we are beign harrassed and toured by the white supremacy capitlaistic system" you gys want to send in troops to "stop ahd ni99ers" because you support a system taht kills black and brown bodies

fuck capitalism

U is sutpid..........

U forget history you dumbshit