At what age did you grow out of atheism?

Was atheist by age 14 but grew out of the whole "atheist community" by 20.

Anyone who takes "atheism" past the point of simply not believing and keeping it to themselves is usually insufferable.

>something cares about us
>on Jow Forums complaining about niggers and kikes
"cares"

The person that teached the Our Father was Jesus Himself. How can you be so close to the Truth without seeing it??

>Peterson in the same category as Kirkegaard, Tesla, Newton etc.

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The eternal hell for not believing is a huge turn off for me. If the choice was between not existing and ever lasting life that would make more sense. But hell... That's not something I can get behind.

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I still am an atheist, but I see the practical benefits of religion on a society. If I could get over my feeling that God isn't there I would be an Anglican.

>16 here

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wtf is jordan peterson doing there for fuck sake

We are made in the image of God and thus we are immortal. Eternal Hell is a just conclusion for someone that refused the eternal complete happiness that God offered you for free by sacrificing Himself becoming a man.

I was an atheist until I met god. unironically

We can go through mental gymnastics all day. It won't change my mind that no loving god would allow a place like hell to exist. Am I culturally Christian and do I believe in something? Yes. Do I believe that that something would let anyone go to hell for any reason? Do I believe that that place should or even could exist? No.

never was into the atheist "path" even back when it was edgy, i'm not very religous but the whole atheist fad felt to me very "disconnected".

ask an atheist about spirituality and watch the argumental flips.

mouthy buddha just posted a video about his experience as an atheist.

youtube.com/watch?v=iBSOTY1rTtg

>postmodernist detected

Funny that atheists were the only ones to ban porn:

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LGBT_history_in_Russia
>In 1933, the Soviet government, under the leadership of Joseph Stalin, recriminalised homosexual activity with punishments of up to five years' hard labor.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LGBT_rights_in_China
>When the People's Republic of China was established in 1949, the Communist Party declared homosexuality a sign of bourgeois decadence.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LGBT_rights_in_communism
>When the Socialist Federal Republic of Yugoslavia was formed, it adopted Yugoslav Criminal Code of 1929, a previous law of the Kingdom of Yugoslavia banned "lewdness against the order of nature" (anal intercourse) between human beings.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HIV/AIDS_in_Russia
>The first officially documented case of HIV in Russia (then the Soviet Union) was diagnosed in March 1987.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Censorship_of_images_in_the_Soviet_Union#Censorship_of_pornographic_images
>Soviet law prohibited the creation and distribution of pornography under Article 228 of the criminal code of the Russian Soviet Federative Socialist Republic and analogous legislation adopted by other republics of the Soviet Union.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LGBT_rights_in_communism
>Marx and Engels were personally homo-phobic

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prostitution_in_Poland
>Prostitution (Polish: Prostytucja) in Poland is legal
>The collapse of the Soviet regime and fall of the iron curtain, many aspects of Polish life changed considerably. Escort agencies, erotic massage salons, porn movie theaters and sex shops appeared very soon.

But keep living your delusion. All Christian government countries have legal prostitution and porn, unlike none of Socialistic countries ever did.

These things happened while I was walking down the interstate with a sign on my back and my thumb out. Not while shitposting here. Soon I'll be back out there.

Since God is, by logic, infinite, we need to think in infinite terms.

Is He infinitely Good? Yes. Infinitely Just also. A sin is an offence to God. Since you offended the infinite Honour, you need to undergo infinite punishment. Since we cant receive a punishment thats inifinite in intensity, because we are finite creatures, the punishment, to be in justice, needs to be infinite in duration.

You can call silogism "mental gymnastics", but you cant deny logic. Jesus Himself teached eternal fire.

>WAAAH! I'M YOUR OMNIPOTENT GOD AND CREATOR BUT IF YOU DON'T BELIEVE IN ME WITHOUT EVIDENCE YOU MUST BURN FOR ALL ETERNITY WAAAAAH!

There is evidence, but you're willingly ignorant.

So if he is all powerful he has the power to defy logic? So why are you trying to logically justify something that trancends logic?

Atheism is an expression of narcissism.

I guess the force exists since there are star wars books

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I tried it out in college, I listened to the core ideas and always thought it was pretty bullshit. Its all "organized religion sucks, therefore god doesn't exist and science is great". I honestly thought that I was only consuming the retarded atheist books/videos, turns out they're all that way. Eventually, if the arguments you're putting forth are that bad, it probably means that there isn't a good argument that can be made for atheism.

There are very intelligent believers and very intelligent atheists.

But the fact is, today, most of the scientific community is atheist.

and even more than that, even an atheist will see the beauty of that frase, basically means that:

we are made in image of the comos (order) (GOD)

"All go unto one place; all are of the dust, and all turn to dust again."

that is just beautiful, pure potery.

>without evidence
There's were you are wrong. You yourself are evidence for the Existence of God .

All logic comes from Him. He IS Logic. He defyes the flawed logic reasoning of man, no Logic in Itself. It doesnt mean that we can still reach logically some aspects of His Existence

"star wars books"

See? This is the narcissism. Thinks he's so clever. How else do we express spirituality if not through literature and the arts? By farting at each other?

The christian god isn't required for my existence. Might as well be allah that created me

>that we cant

Fix

Now be reasonable. If god defines logic then why didnt he make a perfect universe with a single perfect law that governs everything if he is as infinite as you say? More importantly, how can you apply reason to a being that is exempt from the laws of reason? How can you tell me to believe in him when due to that exemption, his existence can never be logically proven?

Sage christlarping threads.

Since the christian God is Existence in itself, He is quite required for your existence...
What are you even talking about? He has a Law that governs everything. Exempt from the laws of reason?
>it doesnt mean that we cant still reach logically some aspects of His Existence
Like the fact the He exists.

I appreciate the morals now that I am older. However, let’s be real here: magic sky daddy doesn’t exist, at least not how 2,000 year old shepherds imagined he did.

No. There is nothing to suggest that whatever created me had to be the God described in the Bible.

Age 0. Never atheist master race reporting for duty. Iq 150 btw.

Hundreds of years in the future students will be studying what Peterson meant with "go clean your room".

Had a home invasion in January, the invasion itself wasn't what renewed my faith it was the events prior that truly did it.
>be me, empty rifle mag of FMJ roinds I was using for plinking and replace them with HPs the night before the shooting
>tighten bolts around house with torque wrench
>do this all out of a strange gut feeling that I didn't think much of at the time
>next morning, 6am or so, get waken up by loud banging and glass breaking, think wtf is that?
>look at window, see some guy breaking out the windows in my garage and attempting to ram the door down
>yell at him to get the fuck off my property and that I'm getting my AR
>no ducks, he decides to change tactics and comes around and starts climbing up my deck
>see he has a sledge hammer, proceeds to come at me while smashing two more windows out making my Australian shepherd step in glass, his blood was all throughout my house
>fire three rounds with no hesitation into center of mass, he falls and starts screaming in pain
>immediately put my dog in guest room and call 911
>police arrive about 10 minutes later, thankfully I had put the rifle down just in time
>handcuff me, telling them they need to get EMS or this guy is fucking dead for sure
>sitting in cop car, 15 minutes before EMS arrives, that nigga is dead
>taken to HQ and interviewed, let go no problem
>return home to thousands of pieces of glass and piles of dog blood, yay peroxide

And that's that

The God described in the Bible is the ultimate Being, the Existence of Existence: "I AM THE ONE WHO IS". Since the Existence of Existence is before all things, He created you.

when i realized the goyim really are cattle and gave up on justice in this world

Oh. You got retarded :(

If he isnt exempt from logic he isnt omnipotent, and therefore not god. See the infinite paperweight paradox.

If he can violate logic he can never be proven with logic. See the fact that you havent posted any proofs

Tldr god is either logically impossible or logically improveable, making christfags retards either way.

Hell in the Christian context is also a newish idea. Even to Christianity. That's why it contradicts everything that Christianity is about. On top of that, how could a finite being sin in a way that deserves eternal punishment? It just doesn't make sense.

But the Force does exist. We just call it something different here.

That could literally be almost any other God. You're not saying anything meaningful. You're just spitting platitudes at me.

>Growing out of the truth

My point was that just because a book says something is real, doesn't mean it is.

When I was 19. I needed an extra quarter for bus fare, and found one on the pavement. I knew then that God was watching over me.

from age ~16 to age 19

When I started studying science and realized how intricate and beautiful the world is on such a molecular level.

You are just being obstinate.
>it doesnt mean that we cant still reach logically some aspects of His Existence

He IS Logic. "Exempt from logic" would mean something like a "triangle with four sides". The fact that God cant make a "triangle with four sides" doesnt mean he isnt omnipotent. Logical absurds like "triangle with four sides" are just meaningless words.

What he exceeds is the FLAWED logic reasoning of man. But it doesnt mean that we cant reach logically some aspects of His Existence.

Clean your room = gas the Jews

>Putting Jordan Peterson, together with Sir Isaac Newton and Immanuel Kant.

BEGONE you utter fucking KEK

Jordan Peterson... i cringed myself to death

I know what your point was.

Ill write this out simply for you. Logic is am internally consistent set of rules. God cannot BE logic. He can dictate it, or be dictated by it. Claiming god is exempt from flawed logic isnt even relevent to the conversation.

>Implying God selecting you for salvation and granting you faith is a function of your aging
When God created the universe he decided that I would believe, and he decided that the reprobates would tip fedoras. We should not sinfully claim that our faith is some sort of achievement on our parts.

>newish Idea
It's literally in the Bible.
>how could a finite being sin in a way that deserves eternal punishment
By giving offence to the infinite Honour and Dignity of God. Since He has infinite Honour, any offence is infinite offence. When you give offence, you own reparation: in this case, infinite reparation. If it werent this way, then God would be unjust, wich is an absurd.

God, by His love, offers all ways possible to help you attain salvation. If you asks for forgiveness, He forgives by His mercy. But He cant forgive someone that dont asks for it. These people go to Hell, for rejecting the infinite mercy of God.

>God cannot BE logic
God is Reality. Dont reality have a consistent set of rules?
>He can dictate it, or be dictated by it
He dictates according to It. "It" being Himself.

LOL sad

>any other God
Whoelse claim to be the Existence in itself? The God in the Bible does. You said that there was nothing to suggest that the God in the Bible created you. Since the God in the Bible is Existence, logic suggests it.

>God is Reality. Dont reality have a consistent set of rules?
That actually cant be proven logically either
>He dictates according to It. "It" being Himself.
So can he make a paperwight so heavy he cannot lift it, or does he change logic so that it isnt a paradox

Never, because I don’t like to look at puddles and think “oh gee golly thats so fuckin’ pretty, a devine creator must have made it.”
Also 16? Lmao, get the fuck out, kid.

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Pretty sure Yahweh and Allah do too. I could literally write on a piece of paper about a god who is "existence itself" and it wouldn't mean shit.

At what age did you grow out of metal?

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I still listen to the metal I liked, but I'm more into a bit more mellow stuff now. And country.

when did you grow up of your religious phase?
I have always been agnostic

25

>That actually cant be proven logically either
1+1 always equals 2. Its a rule.
>can he make a paperwight so heavy he cannot lift it, or does he change logic so that it isnt a paradox
Obstinating in error again. The fact that God "cant" make an "triangle with four sides" dont mean that He isn omnipotent.

Never had an atheist phase, but certainly didn't really care about any sort of religion or why rules or laws should be followed until my early 20s. I'm 24 now and thank God every day that he gave me the chance to come back around and make something of myself. Haven't been happier with life or myself in years.

I never became atheist because since childhood I sometimes see or experience supernatural things.

Hell is barely about sinning, it's rather about the fact that God cannot stand the presence of sin, and hence he demands sacrifice for it. Whether that sacrifice is a lamb or Jesus. Remember that God was the first person to sacrifice an animal due to sin, in that case it was for Adam and Eve, and he made them clothes. Sin and eternal punishment has nothing to do with each other, so long as you believe in the sacrifice that Jesus made for Christians.

So how do you let Jesus' sacrifice apply to you? You simply must believe in his sacrifice and Resurrection. In this way, we can say that Hell (eternal punishment) is about not believing and loving God. God made everyone, and gave everyone free will. If you choose not to believe, or to ignore him, then why should he care about you?

Or, in a different point, I can make 1000 robots. I can't make any of them love me genuinely, since I cannot give bots free will. However, if I could give them free will, I wouldn't care about the robots that didn't care about me, and would just separate them from every other bot and myself.

Hell is literally eternal separation from God. If you don't want God, if you don't believe in Jesus' sacrifice, then you don't get eternal life with Him. Which is very fair. However, since God brings only good, the absence of God is bad. This is why Hell turns out to be a sucky place.

19.5 years old..
yes.. that was my age the first time i died...
but i didn't really.. i just woke up..

>1+1 always equals 2. Its a rule.
Proving logic by using logic is circular reasoning, brainlet
>Obstinating in error again. The fact that God "cant" make an "triangle with four sides" dont mean that He isn omnipotent.
So you admit he cannot create a paradox. A god that can create paroxes is more powerful than a god that cannot, therefore your god is not omnipotent and therefore is not god.

Grew up Catholic, now atheist. when I found out I was the only one who wasn't diddled by a preist and learning about the fucking nuns shoving babies into septic tanks into the town next to me.

Some of you retards can't comprehend that atheism is a lack of belief ,there is no collective group of atheists just like you ameritards don't identify yourselves with the local school shooter . Read some fucking science books faggots

Same. I feel like that's why atheism isn't really a group thing as the natural conclusion to atheism is understanding that while, yes, it is all seemingly clear bullshit to us, it's clearly bullshit that has benefits just from social cohesion alone.

I wish I could go to a church and not think everyone there was willfully lying to themselves.

>turning atheist because your priest didn't diddle you

what a fag

Yahweh is literally the same God of the Bible. Allah doesnt say "I am the one who Is". God of the Bible does.
>I could literally write on a piece of paper about a god who is "existence itself" and it wouldn't mean shit
So the facts in the history books arent true either because someone written it? You make no sense.

Atheism is a lie, and so is any "theism" for that matter. All of these terms are divorced from ancient understanding of the nature of reality which was more nuanced. Look at the Greeks, they have their gods as part of their traditions, yet they also believe in "the Divine" and concepts such as "Logos" which early Christians shamelessly attached to the personage of Jesus. Christians will tell you that these things are incompatible, yet the pinnacle of ancient philosophy was achieved in Greece while simultaneously holding all of these different beliefs. Likewise, modern philosophers have some conception of God, yet they practiced empirical thinking as well as engaging with traditional European mythology which, again, should be incompatible from a purely Biblical perspective. But I know that these ignorant discussions will continue ad infinitum because most of you unfortunately cannot think for yourselves.

absolute nigger

You're supposed to be critical of things written in history books. History books don't offer an ultimate truth to be worshipped. Also an account of a war is easier to believe than a fairy sky daddy.

Also when there are conflicting accounts about a historical event, both are taken into account and evaluated. When there are conflicting accounts on God, one is heresy.

There is nothing wrong with porn if there is no god

Pretty late. Was an atheist progressive until like 3 years ago. It seems kind of unbelievable to me now, the meaningfulness of the universe is now as obvious to me as its meaninglessness used to be.

Started shifting towards agnosticism in high school, finding faith took much longer though.

don't you think if god was real then people would have believed in him from the start of humanity?

I don't think Christians state that God is omnipotent. For instance, God cannot lie. Ergo he must not be omnipotent.

Regardless, even if you take the omnipotent argument, it's meaningless. By definition a triangle has three sides, so no such object with 4 sides can be called a triangle. So can God make a triangle with four sides? The answer to this is yes. He's capable of changing languages, just like he did at the Tower of Babel.

As far as lifting a paperweight that is too heavy to be lifted, of course. A paperweight that is too heavy to be moved must be contained in 100% of the space available. So if the paperweight is the size of a box, and the box is the only relative space that is available, the paperweight cannot be moved anywhere within the box. But God can make the box bigger or the paperweight smaller, but moving the paperweight.

If you say that the paperweight doesn't take up 100% of the size of space, then even a person can move the "unliftable" paperweight just by shifting perspective. Einstein showed this. (Rhetorical) Are the people in the ISS moving, or are the people on Earth moving?

>proving logic by using logic is circular reasoning, brainlet
I'm not "proving logic", I'm showing to you that reality has a fixed set of rules, because you said it didnt.
>A god that can create paradoxes is more powerful than a god that cannot
Then lets say for the sake of argument that there is a god that can make a "triangle with four sides". Why is it called a triangle then? Call it a triangle would just be an error. This "god" then comitted an error and thus is inferior to my God, Logos, that cant possibly err, because He is Thruth in itself.

Been stuck in agnosticism my entire life.
Atheism might not be a religion but it has all of the negative things that come with religion but none of the good

Lmao the biologists maybe ie the dunces

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