How can China and Russia be "catching up" to the USA in terms of defence when the US defence budget is always like 1 trillion dollars?
China building islands and shit and the US has the best technology hands down (which at the end of the day is what wins wars) but mobile ICBM on wheels are hard targets when they are scattered all over the place.
go see what a good portion of that 1 trillion is for.
>RUST
> make cool gun
> only give it to my team
> make slightly cooler gun
> sell all my outdated guns to cucks who don’t have any guns
> keep the cool guns because they’re OP
> repeat forever
Good point but that's a universal issue
DOD contractors get hacked all the time
Then suddenly copies get put on the market as if there's no funny business happening at all
Yeah but that only eliminates the research and development at best. Doesn't explain production or expansion rates of the opposing forces
before bill clinton, the chinese were on par with north korea. after clinton left they got more brazen and were bumping our surveillance planes causing one to land in china during gwb. Between the clintons and their constant hacking is how. hook up a linux box to the internet and leave port 22 open. Youll see constant attempts from china attempting to brute force the admin credentials.
they're not catching up.
Does the US engage in its own hacking activity in retaliation? Because they never get caught doing it
>china has icbms
its like the us doesnt have icbms
>hacking
they dont have to they have their own backdoor built in on the hardware
Liberal media has an agenda to hype up China and the US government has financial incentive to insist they're catching up (it means more funding for the military).
China at least steals our tech and shares it with their strategic allies. For example, we lost a prototype experimental blackhawk which then got shipped to China to steal the stealth tech on it. Iran downs our drones and gives it to China and Russia.
All it takes is one unexploded tomahawk or drone or one dead soldier with some new tech on them for it to get reverse engineered.
I doubt they retaliate for hacking attempts against business and personal networks. But im sure they know its going on. Question is why arnt they punishing china for it. I've seen it going on for 20 years.
>for it to get reverse engineered.
China's copies are garbage, they're still behind Russia in terms of arms quality.
The US fields a global military with the latest tech.
I steal from China all the time.
we did get caught by the way. Go watch the documentary called zero days on how we targeted the uranium enrichment facilities in iran, We also stuck a funny rock next to the building hehe.
>How can China and Russia be "catching up" to the USA in terms of defence when the US defence budget is always like 1 trillion dollars?
Although the American military is very strong nonetheless, the Pentagon's massive budgets are exemplary of the Military Industrial Complex's ability to extract money from the taxpayer and little more (see: over $20 trillion going missing from the Pentagon, in the biggest fraud of all time). The main purpose of US military spending is to put money into the pockets of those who own the military industry, who in turn exert influence over corrupt politicians.
Another case in point, look at the insane amount spent on the F-35 program, versus the utility of what has turned out to not be a very good-value aircraft
The money that "disappears" often goes to black projects that violate treaties. You can bet the US violated the space treaty a long time ago.
we waste most money on shit thats outdated because the government has contracts that dont take into account the decrease in the cost of technology over time. as a result tomahawks are still more than a mil per (i want to say its 12 mil per but i have seen 15 on some listings) when they should be well below that. like tops with labor made in america 10k. the guidance chipset is on par with a ps2 which was cutting edge in the 80s but outdated now.
china can do it for probably $500 american dollars. we pay say $12 mil for something they pay $500 . 00 for
No one has mentioned how much of that budget went to salary and benefits of servicemen. A Russian soldier is paid far less than an American one but he is not inferior in combat effectiveness.
Troop morale wins wars buddy
A Chinese article raised a point similar to this - while the US spent tens of millions in the development of the newest AT4 upgrade China spent tens of thousands to develop their equivalent.
Well, included in the budget is spending $40 million for viagra. Also, paying for the disaster that is the F-35.
>hook up a linux box to the internet and leave port 22 open. Youll see constant attempts from china attempting to brute force the admin credentials.
I'll do it. You're saying China will try and hack me? How do I tell?
Tech gets leaked/stolen.
Manpower and resources are way cheaper in China/Russia.
US spends a lot on actual wars while Russia and China turtle.
The U.S has the best tech in practice while China has best tech in theory.
>How can China and Russia be "catching up" to the USA in terms of defence when the US defence budget is always like 1 trillion dollars?
They steal US technology at every chance that they can get. Started during the cold war when it was US vs. USSR, now it's US vs. Russia and China, and any other enemy of America
>How can China and Russia be "catching up" to the USA in terms of defence when the US defence budget is always like 1 trillion dollars?
Because 90% of that money just gets siphoned off into some (((trickster))) parasite's pocket.
>hacked the pentagon
>mc donald foods costs more than healthy ingredients, meaning it is better
>iphone costs more, meaning it is better
>some dumb clothing costs more, it means it is better
lol
american budget is bloated, it is actually helping american enemies, american budget is prolly ran by the cripto-kgb
95% of american "soldiers" never saw any combat, and yet they all have ptsd pensions
and they are fat too
american military is a welfare institution incapable of war
(((we)))
Most of that budget of ours is to ensure that we have control and dominance in many areas around the globe, i.e. nearly every country around the South China Sea, most of western Europe with NATO, etc. Russia has a shit ton of slowly deteriorating nuclear weapons stockpiled and China has a good amount of untrained bodies to toss in a direct conflict which is ironically what are military is meant for (hence the shitshow in Vietnam and the Middle East), though with the armaments and weapons we have I don't think they can actually start a war with us or else they would have by now.
That's true.
>ISIS/Taliban
As long as you are passionate about what you do.
Why haven't another company come out and undercut them then? With THAT much potential it can't be hard for another contractor to front a better deal.
You can set up SSH to record IP addresses attempting to connect. If you then trace those IP addresses, they all originate in China.
>Tech wins wars
>What is the Red Army
Most of that trillion dollars end up in Jew pockets and doing nothing to improve the tech and the quality of the platforms. A trillion dollars in defense budget, in a world without Jews, would give us a literal Ion Cannon. Or at the very least, multiple "Rod of God" platforms to rain down oblivion upon those who oppose us many times over. I'm talking about enough platforms to get closer to the "dig all the way to China" meme, but it would be reverse because we'd be digging a China-sized crater into China and through the crust and into the mantle. Chink mainlanders would be extinct in a blink of an eye, and even Putin would be begging to suck mutt dick after seeing the literal "erasure" of China from existence.
>Russia has a shit ton of slowly deteriorating nuclear weapons
They're all new, upgraded again and again and again three times in the last 20 yers , wake up . They're planning to use them.
>le zerg propaganda xddd
red army couldnt achieve numerical superiority ANYWHERE on the eastern front before 44
nor was it ever undersupplied, luftwaffe failed to bombard equipment factories behind the ural mountain line
purged officers were 90% cavalry officers, who were obsolete and their horse tactics didnt work anymore, and they didnt wanna give up power peacefully and would just murder the troops pointlessly
greatest combined arms operations in human history were carried out by the red army
>What is mutually assured destruction
F-35 is a good airframe, and literally all previous airframes have suffered the same delays and price alterations. If it ever see's combat against 5th generation fighters, you will see what I said is true.
breakingdefense.com
Though it's more "gib money plox" but it show that "we spend more money compared to them if count in our currency using current market price" isn't real measure and that the world is more complicated.
Red army had more effective personal firearms, tanks and rocket artillery than the werhmarh, parity in artillery and slight inferiority in the air.
Mosaad taught them how to hack tho
>safe as fuck
>cue the refugees
Because we share military tech with Israel and they pawn it off to other countries. Its really not that hard user
When I was working in China I built a gateway and put clearOS on it and the moment it went online it came under constant brute force attack. There's nothing to hack but what do the zombies care
> What is super fuze and probably interception of Russian 2nd strike
> What is mere minutes of early warning available to Russia
> What is the new US nuclear posture advocating for more active use of nukes
A) Moral matters: it seems like your average white male (the backbone of the military) has nothing to fight for.
B) Ethics: China has almost non. Their research into DNA modification if second to the west and more importantly they would actually use it.
C) Diversity hires: they've slowed down scientific advancement in the west.
simple, memeflaggot, in the united states, we prioratize attack over defence. Nobody can touch us in offencive stikes. However our defensive repels are weak.
It's our Internet, faggot
Quality > Quantity
>how can China catch up to the US in defense spending?
Please get an education.
It went down during Obama's term after skyrocketing during Bush's. What do you think Trump will do?
Lul american a brahmos can sink your trillion dollar aircraft carriers. America lost against Vietnam, Taliban, Iraq etc. All your military can do is secure airspace and call in airstrikes and go home lol
It’s easier to sink a carrier than an island. Or a coastal anti-carrier missile battery, for that matter.
>lost against Vietnam, Taliban, Iraq etc.
>Hurr durr political wars are representative of actual wars
Trust me, if the US was actually at war anyone opposing would be thoroughly fucked.
my point exactly. We have not only the largest navy and infantry in the world, but the largest airforce and ordincance in the world. However our defence is weak. Just hope we do not get the first strike is your best bet.
The real scary scenario is “patriotic Chinese hackers” taking down the US grid and banking system during times of heightened political tension. Think Crimea invasion, but digital so even more deniably non-state.
Good luck extraditing any culprits you do manage to ID.
USAF cyber command
NSA
etc
Well after the collapse of the ussr and the Chinese economy not waking up yet these countries had nowhere to go but up.
It's like England and industrialization, just because they were first didn't protect them from a rapidly industrialized Germany.
>Why haven't another company come out and undercut them then? With THAT much potential it can't be hard for another contractor to front a better deal.
You can't just buy similar electronic parts off the shelf, put it all together, strap on some explosives and a rocket, and all it a Tomahawk. The US Navy would never accept that because you can't prove that all of those parts came from trusted suppliers/distributors. You can't prove, if any were originally produced overseas, that they don't have hidden backdoors in them. You can't prove they weren't tampered with. You can't prove that they'll withstand the rigors of being launched off ship or aircraft.
I take that back...
You could prove those things, but then you're back up to the $12m each price tag.
U.S. military equipment has requirements that regular businesses and consumers do not, for both security and reliability. They may be expensive, but I'd much rather go to war with U.S. produced equipment than Russian/Chinese produced.
US military is too big. A good portion of the budget goes into maintenance and luxury for the average enlisted. Meanwhile Russian and Chinese conscripts live with minimum while most of the budget goes purely into research and development.
China goes around copying everything so closing the gap is not exactly expensive for them and they do have lots of money nonetheless.
Yes, the NSA and CIA do pretty much constantly. The Wannacrypt virus was based on a vulnerability the NSA had been using for 20+ years.
that picture is one of the cringiest things I've ever seen.
I've never understood why people use fringe examples of Guerilla wars as evidence the US wouldn't be able to wage a real fully mobilised war against another country with zero compunction.
>How can China and Russia be "catching up" to the USA in terms of defence when the US defence budget is always like 1 trillion dollars?
Their money goes a lot farther. Our military spending goes to lining the pockets of the military-industrial complex and paying for all those benefits for our pampered ass volunteer army
Russia's nuclear weapons are shit though. They literally have to be updated periodically to continue to be functional.
They don't understand what an actual war is. The US' armed forces have been designed to fight both Russia and China since early in the cold war.
Merica spend all da moneys on big gun
>looses all wars in recent times to third world shitholes. Merica
Because the USA always pays too much.
What should cost 100 dollars ends up costing 1000 dollars.
barely any projects reach the end
they cancel them halfway then restart again
Here come the mutts and their claims of China being on par and, with comical logical leap all so fitting for amerimutts, better in some technology and science fields because they steal it all.
China will rip America a new one in 20 years when their economy will be blatantly better.
reminder that you Aussie niggers died in Vietnam for us
infact aircrafts are most expensive system to invest in and usa has the least effective labour workforce of all
these self-centerd people are just intrested in money
it never was about to "keep up" or domination
if anyone would just stand up for more walfare, but no their money is spent for useless bombs
Corrupt multinational (((capitalists))) profit off bleeding our country dry and selling national interests down the river for a quick buck. Most of that $1T is lining pockets and not going towards making our military stronger and capable of standing up to peer threats. Even right now we'd get fucking punched in the face if we fought China due to our lack of theater presence there. How is it going to be in 10 years? There is no question about it, we will fight them sooner or later and we're already going to lose at this rate.
Coupled with the complete demoralization and lack of unity we are in for a complete meltdown sometime in this century. I think if we lost a major war the country would splinter apart.
Fuck (((capitalism))).
anons fail to realize
smart people make air craft
money does not make air craft
Don't forget Iraq and Afghanistan.
>may Merica kill us all for freedom
Is it a disaster though? I know the media loves to call it shit, but actual pilots seem to love it.
Kek, US missiles so slow even that big, old slow jet can catch up to it
All four of your points are laughable,
Fun-fact without a unexploded sidewinder that the Chinese got their hands on the USSR/Chinese would be much further behind in air to air missile tech compared to west. The USA was actually the first to come up with SAM network but neglected it due to political reasons and now the Russians anti-aircraft missile technology is ahead of the USA.
>How can China and Russia be "catching up" to the USA in terms of defence when the US defence budget is always like 1 trillion dollars?
Because prices of weapons and salaries are way cheaper in China and Russia than in the US. The US is getting ripped off.
China can spend 1/10th of US budget and still buy 10 times more equipment and ammunition
> the US has the best technology hands down (which at the end of the day is what wins wars)
Many previous wars have demonstrated that Quantity wins over Quality.
The US cannot afford an extended war against another actual superpower like China and Russia when their tomahawks cost a million dollar a piece. Their planes 30 million and their Carriers a billion dollar. and can be taken out with a 100 dollar chinese missile.
And in comes the (((loan shark))) and you have two options left.. Surrender your country to your enemy Or sell your country to the (((enemy)))
>Question is why arnt they punishing china for it.
China got our peace dividend for winning the cool war with USSR.
2018 almost anyone can make aircrafts
We need to nationalize all defense industry. There should not be any profit motive in this field, only service to the nation. I truly believe this.
ALL the big aerospace companies, shipyards and everything else should be absorbed and put to work in the service of the fucking people, not some chosen CEOs and shareholders. I don't give a shit if this reduces (((competition))), the soviets managed to do well enough with competing design bureaus still serving the state at the end of the day.
We need to kick out the shitty foreign saboteurs, wreckers and morons who clog our engineering and technological firms. H1B should be abolished.
We need a political revolution against the multinational elites that are destroying this country for their own short term gain. We need to keep our eye on the ball and look at the long term prospects of US prosperity. Rather than focusing on our jewified volunteer mercenary military with expensive toys that are only good at destroying ragheads, we need a proper military again to fight the Chinese.
Anyone with any fucking sense at all knows that we need to crack down hard on the Chinese or we are pretty much finished as a major power within 50 years.
I don't know, but I do know that the chinks stole at least some of the designs for the f35 several years ago. Corporate espionage continues to be a problem. Considering the controversy surrounding the f35, it seems to me that LM is complicit, getting their cake and eating it too.
I didn't say defence 'spending' you spastic faggot.
But that looks like it's "catching up" regardless
Dumb cunt
>The US cannot afford an extended war against another actual superpower
That's debatable, however Russia and China definitely cannot afford extended war. Russia hardly has an economy outsude of natural resources, and China's economy is reliant on ours (as well as being propped up by a bubble and unsustainable growth)
>b-but Javelins and stuff are expensive
the US government creates money out of thin air, it doesn't matter what the price tag is
Because most of the US defense budget is used on maintenance and the ridiculous amounts of military bases US has all over the world. You seem to forget that most nations military just have bases near their own place. US has all over the fucking world, due to having protectionate treaties etc.
You are fucking retarded. The reason we are so far ahead in terms of defense tech is because we have private companies constantly competing for this lucrative contracts.
Except we aren't that far ahead, you twat. There's a such thing as diminishing returns which may be worth it when all you're doing is fighting muslims and your main priority is minimizing as many deaths as possible no matter how much money it costs... because muh public opinion matters in these little foreign adventures.
But when a real war comes along, it isn't going to mean jack shit when China can make 4 of their gizmos for every 1 of ours, and theirs are only marginally less effective, and they can also produce them faster.
The entire MIC is fucking set up to run global errands for multinational corporations and Israel, and not to defend the vital interests of our country.
When war with China happens, probably in a few years when they've sensed that we're finally too weak to really oppose their ambitions in the western Pacific, there will be a lot of jets leaving NY and DC and not coming back.
Oh man, the day when Apple can no longer manufacture their stupid consumer trash, that's going to be amazing
They arent.
ya the chink DNA experiments will start popping up in a few years.
remember that chinese kid who got attacked and had his eyes damaged in a very particular way? like it was just his cornias that were destroyed...he still had his nerve connecting to the eye. and the fucking Chinese government adopts the kid and they claim they will "help him"
i think they did that to give them an excuse to preform experiments on him.
OH and i cant wait to see them clone elephants or some endangered tasty animal just so they can kill them
abc.net.au
>The aunt, who Xinhua named as Zhang Huiying, killed herself by jumping into a village well.
what a stupid way to kill yourself
What I dont get is why western-European militaries with their $20-$40 billion range budgets are not able to project power for those large budgets. For instance Germany cant call up more than 5 of their Eurocopter attack-helicopters, Spain had to scrap their older aircraft carrier, France is arguably the best prepared of all yet still had to rely on American logistic and transport support for their recent African interventions (by no means a large distance compared to other campaigns).
Meanwhile you had over 10,000 Cuban troops sent to southern Africa in Angola with jets and artillery and autonomous from Soviet influence or reliance on logistic/transport support. Are modern weapon systems simply so expensive and reliant on maintenance due to their complexity? You had the Canadians make a big deal on how it was a logistical feat for them to transport a handful of leopards to Afghanistan.
They're not.