Has anybody read Atlas Shrugged or Fountainhead? Say what you like about Ayn Rand just to be critical: ugly, died alone, wrong about this or that. But She really seemed to have a keen eye for the worst in humanity and the direction it would go.
I think the most based concept she explored was The Sanction of the Victim - essentially cucking your opponent mentally into letting you rob or otherwise defeat them if you can't do it outright.
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>>But She really seemed to have a keen eye for the worst in humanity
Living through the Bolshevik takeover if you are not a retarded leftist will do that for you.
I tried to read Atlas Shrugged and I couldn't get pass the first 50 pages. Besides the same massages is repeated throughout her books.
>collectivism is evil
>fuck poor people
>fuck charities
>muh property
>everything I don't like is socialism
>being selfish is cool
Ayn Rand is an autistic sperg much like your average writer.
>But She really seemed to have a keen eye for the worst in humanity and the direction it would go.
that's because she was the worst in humanity. i literally cannot think of a worse human being than ayn rand, and i'm really trying
>I tried to read Atlas Shrugged and I couldn't get pass the first 50 pages.
Reading The Fountainhead first is pretty important. I actually prefer Fountainhead, although I consider both books essential.
I have never heard a single intellectual argument against any of Ayn Rand's ideas from any of her critics in the last 12 years of shitposting online. Not one.
Every single critic of hers attacks something else besides her points.
btw, dont forget the very relevant echo - (((((((ayn rand))))))))
She was right about everything.
I don't disagree. Has you noticed all her main characters are autistic?
Leftist detected.
Almost any leftist public figure is worse then Ayn Rand.
wanna explain, or just shill? I really don't think she had the fame or power to come anywhere close to being the worst human being. try harder.
>I have never heard a single intellectual argument against any of Ayn Rand's ideas from any of her critics in the last 12 years of shitposting online. Not one.
that's because she had no ideas to refute. "objectivism" was a pastiche of nietzsche and freud with a lot of silly platitudes thrown in. there's a reason why academia pays no attention to rand and university philosophy classes dont cover her. "being selfish is cool" is not a philosophy, its just an unfortunate disposition. she had a personality disorder, not a philosophy
Ayn Rand wanted the globalist banks to run your life instead of the Bolshevik Marxists.
She was still a globalist, just of the Rothschild variety instead of the Marx variety.
She wanted a few international corporations to own everything. Well she got her way in the end, a few bankers now run the world. How is that working out for us today?
how do libertarians justify the theft of surplus labor by capitalists?
nozick said "dude the owners are necessary for speculation lmao" as if it's necessary for the employers to take more than the workers. and milton friedmans criticism of marxism is semantic and crazy
>Leftist detected
oh i'm a LEFTIST for not joining the cult of the disgusting feminist kike who mentored alan greenspan? nice try you fucking shill
One of my favorite things about Rand is that it takes about 15 seconds to tell who has read her work and who is repeating the media's straw man. Nietzsche was one of the main targets of the Fountainhead. Consider reading the book before giving the report next time.
I think the sad part is people attacking her "philosophy" when it WAS just a restatement shit that has been known since ancient greece. She admits herself that she was primarily influenced by Aristotle. It's all just basic individualism, except she tries to codify a morality for it. THAT'S what objectivism is supposed to be, he moral rules for being a proper individualist in today's society.
I think if you give Ayn Rand TOO much credit, it is easy to hate her. She was just a 20th century thinker that had to restate old values in changing times.
Let's assume this is true.
If a company loses money, this is theft of labor from the company.
Would the company be justified in prosecuting its workers, if the company was losing money, using your logic?
/thread
Yeah I used to be in high school, too.
I read atlas shrugged. It's dense and sometimes tedious. A few nuggets I remember:
>"someone will take care of it" = collectivist philosophy in a nutshell
>in order to produce, productive people must ask for permission from people who produce nothing
>women are hypergamous AF
sad little godless jew, that's all she was
her books are trash,,,government is bad until you need the government to biat you from your bs
>Nietzsche was one of the main targets of the Fountainhead
of course. attacking the originator is the best way to conceal plagiarism
>20th century thinker
randoids actually believe this, i realize. you guys are like the people who think charles bukowski is "literature." rand's work will never be taken seriously and neither will you
>cucking your opponent into
That doesn't make any fucking sense. Use real words, dipshit.
cult is the most common word used to try and defame anyone who actually acknowledges Ayn Rand as a legitimate thinker. Did you read her book? It pretty heavily preaches thinking for yourself. I mean, I've definitely heard CULT like Randists, usually people who didn't read the book and just memorized the spark notes. But if enough people are able to think for themselves and happen to respect a particular author who wrote about a subset of basic individualist ideas, is that really a cult? We need you to try harder, I want to know what is actually wrong with Rand.
Rand in a nutshell.
Her Jew-shit was just the complete antithesis to the Communist Jew-shit.
Capitalism vs Communism = The Jew World Order slavery system. High taxes for the peasants and almost no taxes for the super rich.
People will never understand The Jew unless they understand the "Thesis->
We need more money for those teachers, clearly.
Some Jew is going to make a movie Alisa Rosenbaum’s Fountainhead. Another snore fest for the goyim.
why would I need her work to be taken seriously? I read it and understood. I think that is enough for anyone who has read it.
Don't really care about Bukowski, I've seen his quotes around. Sounds neat, appealing to young males, and sometimes I disagree with the quotes, doesn't mean I'm gonna foam at the mouth over people reading him and spaz over how he will never be more popular. Especially when I haven't even read his work.
Maybe the only disappointment in it not being more popular is that a serious hollywood budget movie will never be made. That's about all I can think of.
unfortunately this is true , she got it all right and tried to warn us.
We are literally in the world she warned us and some countries like venezuela have gonne terminal with the cancer she tried to expose.
You read 50 pages. You have strong opinions on the book. Your opinions are:
>collectivism is evil
>fuck poor people
>fuck charities
>muh property
>everything I don't like is socialism
>being selfish is cool
Are you 12? 16 maybe?
I bet you also think that
>money is the root of all evil
Capitalism is state sponsored usury. E Michael Jones
>why would I need her work to be taken seriously? I read it and understood. I think that is enough for anyone who has read it.
just take everything you said and switch it from Rand and obectivism to L Ron Hubbard and scientology and you'll understand why you're retarded
All of her heroines were massive whores. Not /ourgal/
Sorry, my context for the word cuck in this sense is to psychologically manipulate someone into surrendering.
Like a girlfriend convincing a boyfriend that having a threesome with a black man is a good idea for the greater good of the relationship. The man is essentially tricked into defeat, making him a cuck. He has been cucked. His girlfriend cucked him.
projecting much?
I think that is pretty basic stuff to almost anyone here.
>thinks basic individualism and capitalist virtues are on par with alien volcano spirits.
right.
I'm perfectly capable of being critical of Ayn Rand. I think those characters were projections she build up from not having enough intimate male contact.
Similar, but the “sanction of the victim” is the willingness of the good to suffer at the hands of the evil, to accept the role of sacrificial victim for the “sin” of creating values.
You should be "shamed" to be a producer. Having "needs" is virtuous, having "strengths" and "self reliance" is a sin.
anyway, that is what you can take away if you read it like an extremist. Her work IS written VERY cynically and with a bitter tone. You as a reader have a right to think for yourself though and take it all with a grain of salt.
> money is the root of all evil
No, Jewish control over money is the root of all evil
>"When you see that in order to produce, you need to obtain permission from men who produce nothing - When you see that money is flowing to those who deal, not in goods, but in favors - When you see that men get richer by graft and by pull than by work, and your laws don’t protect you against them, but protect them against you - When you see corruption being rewarded and honesty becoming a self-sacrifice - You may know that your society is doomed.”
― Ayn Rand, Atlas Shrugged
She was for the gold standard
So no, she despised fiat money, if you had read the novel, you would have known that.
>Whenever destroyers appear among men, they start by destroying money, for money is men’s protection and the base of a moral existence. Destroyers seize gold and leave to its owners a counterfeit pile of paper. This kills all objective standards and delivers men into the arbitrary power of an arbitrary setter of values. Gold was an objective value, an equivalent of wealth produced. Paper is a mortgage on wealth that does not exist, backed by a gun aimed at those who are expected to produce it. Paper is a check drawn by legal looters upon an account which is not theirs: upon the virtue of the victims. Watch for the day when it bounces, marked: "Account Overdrawn."
That's from Atlas Shrugged
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Not a follower of hers, but she was not the worst person ever or near it and almost anyone on the left is worse.
terrible writer, she should have stuck with non fiction, as her fiction is so awfully composed and fails to be coherent at all
I read fountain head and enjoyed it.
Liked the over all message about going after what you want and not giving a fuck about what others think.
Attempted to read shrugged and got 2 pages in and stopped. Maybe ill try to read it in the future. I bought so most likely i will.
I thought this the first time I read Atlas Shrugged. It didn't flow. It was so overly descriptive. And was painful. However, the second time around I realized it didn't flow because I tend to expect imbiac flow from english writing. Tolkien is great at this. Knowing she isn't a native english speaker, I let this go and decided to read it with less emphasis imbiac expectation and more amphibrach-ic or throchee-ic flow.
The reason she is so overly descriptive is that she was a structuralist and a huge fan of art. She wants to be more technical than poetic. She writes as a critic might describe a work of modern art.
I think she mostly only wrote fiction novels. I think most of her non-fiction writings were mostly editorials that were later composed into books.
She was right about the vast majority of things. However she did not believe in evolution, which explains her shitlib view on race.
Every single person that I know of that read any of her stuff, let alone liked it enough to to suggest it, has always been a massive fucking moron with absolutely zero exceptions.
The only thing she was wrong about was the atheism.
I've read both. The heroes of her books are unlikable autists. Her inability to write believable characters was her biggest flaw as a fiction writer.
Zombie consumerism is the root of evil, which is why the kikes want white people completely eradicated.
I literally just finished reading 'The Fountainhead' just the other day.
Excellent.
I recommend it for EVERYONE
Not just Jow Forums
I have also read, 'Anthem' which delves into similar ideas,
but from a different perspective.
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I am currently reading
'The Virtue Of Selfishness: A New Concept Of Egoism' (non-fiction) -
and it is very interesting and puts much into perspective.
My plan is to read everything by her that I can get my hands on.