Be a leftist

>failing this hard at gaslighting
tell me more about the anti-immigration left user

>the problem has never been with immigrants
really then what is accounting for the population growth in these low birthrate developed countries (the pop growth being the main threat to the environment)?

There was actually a big debate in the US environmentalist movement in the 1980's over immigration. The anti-immigration side lost (as in, they lost operational control of the Sierra Club and other big environmentalist institutions) after Jewish donors dumped money into them on the condition that they not support Proposition 187 in California in 1994. This isn't a conspiracy theory; the donor was billionaire financier David Gelbaum. That killed a lot of anti-immigration environmentalism in the US. Prominent anti-immigration environmentalists like Edward Abbey were also slandered and pushed out of "polite discourse" by globalists like (((Murray Bookchin))). That's the story behind this stuff.

So what did all of the anti-immigration environmentalists do after that money dump?

wew lad can you fit any more marxist buzzwords in there? sounds like you paid attention in university! you are such a good little goy aren't you

when you try to understand wtf it's saying you realize it's incoherent gibberish that doesn't mean anything, so I just asked the important question:
>if the problem isn't immigration then what is accounting for the population growth in these low birthrate developed countries (the pop growth being the main threat to the environment)?

bump

maybe it doesn’t exist, but it should

they need voters.

thanks for admitting it doesn't exist
so would you say you're mainly an environmentalist more than anything else?

BUMP
For truth!!

They are fucking children with no understanding of consequences or that racism (against the shitskin horde) exists for a fucking reason. They are doing this so they can look good in front of their family and friends and tell themselves they aren't racist even they clearly despise the white people that build said societies.

>They are fucking children

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The older ones faded away/died off while the younger ones were too afraid of being called "racist" to try and push anti-immigrationism anymore.

oh, yeah, I heard about the hostile takeover of Sierra Club. Not only big enviro orgs do not talk about immigration they are also hellbent not to talk about overpopulation.Evidently, they are only allowed to talk about plastic and captive whales.

considering how simple and bulletproof the logic is, how hard would it be to hammer these groups over the head with it and expose them as fakes who don't give a shit about the environment?

They don't think beyond their rhetoric. They go with what sounds good and ignore the consequences. A prime example is the "no borders" crowd. I mean fine all national borders are gone but how do you govern this new undefined territory? They don't know.

Basically impossible. They don't care about logic or reason; modern "environmentalists" are mostly generic leftists who accept the whole leftist package of policy positions/pro-immigration/pro-globalism, etc. They'll just ignore you and call you a Nazi.

"no borders" is a meme made up by /pol to attack libtards

name a respectable american democrat who shills for that. if you find one who's not shit-tier, then i'll eat my shoe

It really isn't a meme made up by Jow Forums. Look at all the democrats saying muh poor undocumented migrants. If you don't enforce your border and deport illegal migrants, you don't have a border.

had the exact same thought today arguing with a green about the environment

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Which leftist organizations are advocating a decrease in immigration and a stricter safeguard of illegal population influx and which ones argue that people from ant fuckin place should be able to be citizens because life is hard "over there?"

they might but what about the public who can clearly see the logic in needing to stop immigration to protect the environment, and then the supposed "environmentalists" screeching and screaming when they're questioned on it?
>emperor has no clothes

nobody believes you; the left is strongly pro-immigration and screams "RACIST" if anyone disagrees, without exception

My experience is that people outside of the environmentalist movement simply don't care about any of that. "Immigration is bad for the environment" is a true argument; it can be easily defended and argued effectively, but it doesn't register with most people. I'll repost an essay by Edward Abbey from the mid-80's on this exact topic. He was correct, but people just ignored him, for the most part:

>Look at all the democrats saying muh poor undocumented migrants.
where? you mean DACA? trump scuttled that months ago by signing the ridiculous omnibus budget deal

anyhow there are plenty of democrats who are conscious of the (southern) border. nobody shills for open borders. prove me wrong.

>Immigration and Liberal Taboos

>by Edward Abbey

>1,127 words

>In the American Southwest, where I happen to live, only sixty miles north of the Mexican border, the subject of illegal aliens is a touchy one. Even the terminology is dangerous: the old word wetback is now considered a racist insult by all good liberals; and the perfectly correct terms illegal alien and illegal immigrant can set off charges of xenophobia, elitism, fascism, and the ever-popular genocide against anyone careless enough to use them. The only acceptable euphemism, it now appears, is something called undocumented worker. Thus the pregnant Mexican woman who appears, in the final stages of labor, at the doors of the emergency ward of an El Paso or San Diego hospital, demanding care for herself and the child she's about to deliver, becomes an "undocumented worker." The child becomes an automatic American citizen by virtue of its place of birth, eligible at once for all of the usual public welfare benefits. And with the child comes not only the mother but the child's family. And the mother's family. And the father's family. Can't break up families can we? They come to stay and they stay to multiply.

>What of it? say the documented liberals; ours is a rich and generous nation, we have room for all, let them come. And let them stay, say the conservatives; a large, cheap, frightened, docile, surplus labor force is exactly what the economy needs. Put some fear into the unions: tighten discipline, spur productivity, whip up the competition for jobs. The conservatives love their cheap labor; the liberals love their cheap cause. (Neither group, you will notice, ever invites the immigrants to move into their homes. Not into their homes!)

>Both factions are supported by the cornucopia economists of the ever-expanding economy, who actually continue to believe that our basic resource is not land, air, water, but human bodies, more and more of them, the more the better in hive upon hive, world without end-ignoring the clear fact that those nations which most avidly practice this belief, such as Haiti, Puerto Rico, Mexico, to name only three, don't seem to be doing well. They look more like explosive slow-motion disasters, in fact, volcanic anthills, than functioning human societies. But that which our academic economists will not see and will not acknowledge is painfully obvious to los latinos: they stream north in ever-growing numbers.

>Meanwhile, here at home in the land of endless plenty, we seem still unable to solve our traditional and nagging difficulties. After forty years of the most fantastic economic growth in the history of mankind, the United States remains burdened with mass unemployment, permanent poverty, an overloaded welfare system, violent crime, clogged courts, jam-packed prisons, commercial ("white-collar") crime, rotting cities and a poisoned environment, eroding farmlands and the disappearing family farm all of the usual forms of racial ethnic and sexual conflict (which immigration further intensifies), plus the ongoing destruction of what remains of our forests, fields, mountains, lakes, rivers, and seashores, accompanied by the extermination of whole specie's of plants and animals. To name but a few of our little nagging difficulties.

It's simple. The average leftist is capable of an extreme form of double think. The elites don't actually believe those things. They just care about importing new voters to keep them in power.

>This being so, it occurs to some of us that perhaps ever-continuing industrial and population growth is not the true road to human happiness, that simple gross quantitative increase of this kind creates only more pain, dislocation, confusion, and misery. In which case it might be wise for us as American citizens to consider calling a halt to the mass influx of even more millions of hungry, ignorant, unskilled, and culturally, morally, generically impoverished people. At least until we have brought our own affairs into order. Especially when these uninvited millions bring with them an alien mode of life which - let us be honest about this - is not appealing to the majority of Americans. Why not? Because we prefer democratic government, for one thing; because we still hope for an open, spacious, uncrowded, and beautiful-yes, beautiful!-society, for another. The alternative, in the squalor, cruelty, and corruption of Latin America, is plain for all to see.

>Yes, I know, if the American Indians had enforced such a policy none of us pale-faced honkies would be here. But the Indians were foolish, and divided, and failed to keep our WASP ancestors out. They've regretted it ever since.

>To everything there is a season, to every wave a limit, to every range an optimum capacity. The United States has been fully settled, and more than full, for at least a century. We have nothing to gain, and everything to lose, by allowing the old boat to be swamped. How many of us, truthfully, would prefer to be submerged in the Caribbean-Latin version of civilization? (Howls of "Racism! Elitism! Xenophobia!" from the Marx brothers and the documented liberals.) Harsh words: but somebody has to say them. We cannot play "let's pretend" much longer, not in the present world.

>Therefore - let us close our national borders to any further mass immigration, legal or illegal, from any source, as does every other nation on earth. The means are available, it's a simple technical-military problem. Even our Pentagon should be able to handle it. We've got an army somewhere on this planet, let's bring our soldiers home and station them where they can be of some actual and immediate benefit to the taxpayers who support them. That done, we can begin to concentrate attention on badly neglected internal affairs. Our internal affairs. Everyone would benefit, including the neighbors. Especially the neighbors.

>Ah yes. But what about those hungry hundreds of millions, those anxious billions, yearning toward the United States from every dark and desperate corner of the world? Shall we simply ignore them? Reject them? Is such a course possible?

>"Poverty," said Samuel Johnson, "is the great enemy of human happiness. It certainly destroys liberty, makes some virtues impracticable, and all virtues extremely difficult."

>You can say that again, Sam.

>Poverty, injustice, over breeding, overpopulation, suffering, oppression, military rule, squalor, torture, terror, massacre: these ancient evils feed and breed on one another in synergistic symbiosis. To break the cycles of pain at least two new forces are required: social equity-and birth control. Population control. Our Hispanic neighbors are groping toward this discovery. If we truly wish to help them we must stop meddling in their domestic troubles and permit them to carry out the social, political, and moral revolution which is both necessary and inevitable.

Or if we must meddle, as we have always done, let us meddle for a change in a constructive way. Stop every campesino at our southern border, give him a handgun, a good rifle, and a case of ammunition, and send him home. He will know what to do with our gifts and good wishes. The people know who their enemies are.

>respectable american democrat
You're trolling me right?
Also it was just an example. It can be applied to literally any leftist policy in America today. Liberals are the most superficial people on the planet. There is no depth to them in either their personalities or their thought processes.

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DEATH TO THE BRUSSELS GOVERNMENT

thank you for this
this guys sounds very redpilled on so many things

>Expecting lefties to have any self-awareness
They literally only believe what the establishment tells them, without question.

then why did they get so brutally fucking upset over this?
>condemned by every MSM outlet that covered it
>massive salt generated on facebook, twitter, etc with only right wingers agreeing with it
>officially condemned by the ADL and SPLC
>condemned by many different unis
>exec vice pres of UVA told people to call 911 if they saw it

explain that?

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>You're trolling me right?
not intentionally, at least

>Also it was just an example.
but you can't name any mainstream democrat who supports "no borders" right?
so instead of an example, it's a strawman, right?

i don't even know what you're talking about, magaleaf.

cryptic posts meant as dog-whistles to your leafy bromance friends don't translate to english very well, apparently

see
you're gaslighting very poorly right now

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another

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Keith Ellison is one of the most prominent open-borders Democrats. He's a member of the US House and is the deputy chairman of the Democratic National Committee, so he is obviously considered "respectable" by his own party.

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see
fucktard can't even follow threads

>the derailing / gaslighting shill is getting salty

maga leaf with the homosexuality on full display!

oh canada....

All you have to do is google "democratic congressman open borders," and then look at the first couple of results.
breitbart.com/big-government/2017/11/28/21-times-exiting-rep-luis-gutierrez-touted-open-borders/
That was easy.

another one

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>claims to be leftist
>claims leftist aren't agains borders
>gets triggered by anti-immigration memes
your mask just fell off

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>cites breitbart
jesus christ, really? beitbart?

we liberal elites have failed, haven't we

Liberals do love immigration. That part is true.
So is every part after "pave over natural habitat to house them."

nah, come on leaf, gotta admit that there are plenty of good "leftie" / democrat voters who believe in progressive principles alongside reasonable border enforcement. not a wall, that's for fucktards, but reasonable enforcement

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>"reasonable border enforcement"
>not a wall
holy fuck this is great
go on

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weaponized cuteness

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Are you all retarded? Conservatives created conservation efforts in the first place... Liberals are the ones who use Oil and Cities to enslave mankind... They have never been "conservational" except when it comes to conserving the bloodlines of every Tyrone and his increasingly brainwashed "kids."

a wall is really the most logical solution?

because wall technology is the most advanced technology on this planet right?

way better than drones or web surveillance or facial recognition technology...

Fine I would argue any democrat that supports NAFTA. They will never outright state no borders, they are too smart for that, but they will whittle away at the borders until they become a joke like they are right now. We see this with anyone that supports DREAMers or amnesty. Democrat constituents cry for no borders and their politicians never correct them on it. Obama, Clinton, this cunt named Whitmer trying to be Gov here in my Michigan.
>inb4 none of these individuals meet your standards for mainstream or respectable
Don't be a kike

Zero borders is Dems version of rounding up the Jews. Nobody is going to outright state it until its too late.

>still trying to convince me you want borders at all
You're a really bad liar.

It doesn't matter if you have a border or not if you aren't willing to stop people from entering; you may as well have no border in that case.

They are called (((climate refugees))) now.

It works wonderfully for Hungary.

Stop taking media at face value.

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>strawman

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tell me more about how walls don't work
tell me more about how the most complicated and high-tech solution is always the best

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kek absolutely not a strawman
show me the anti-immigration left user
give me examples

Oh yeah, we have all of your proposed solutions.

They're shite. London is the most surveilled city in the world and we still get regular visits from terrorism there.

>It doesn't matter if you have a border or not if you aren't willing to stop people from entering
but I am willing to stop people from entering...

You aren't.

Your proposed solutions all heavily rely on catch-and-deport. They're reactive rather than proactive.

He's obviously arguing in bad faith and lying, he doesn't want borders / doesn't want to enforce them / doesn't want to lower immigration (so the border doesn't even matter in that case). He's just a liar. Also see for concrete proof that walls work well

>walls work, fosho ninja

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>but I am willing to stop people from entering...
how many?
>this should be good

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Yeah user, I believe you. I mentioned Hungary earlier.

Don't be a retard. Hungary has a great fence system.

lol hard data from the Hungarian police VS your shill meme
>really convincing user
maybe if you post enough pictures of wojak throwing off a red hat it will invalidate the data from the Hungarian police, give it a try

>fence
kek

Leftists may claim that their activism is motivated by compassion or by moral principles, and moral principle does play a role for the leftist of the oversocialized type. But compassion and moral principle cannot be the main motives for leftist activism. Hostility is too prominent a component of leftist behavior; so is the drive for power. Moreover, much leftist behavior is not rationally calculated to be of benefit to the people whom the leftists claim to be trying to help. For example, if one believes that affirmative action is good for black people, does it make sense to demand affirmative action in hostile or dogmatic terms? Obviously it would be more productive to take a diplomatic and conciliatory approach that would make at least verbal and symbolic concessions to white people who think that affirmative action discriminates against them. But leftist activists do not take such an approach because it would not satisfy their emotional needs. Helping black people is not their real goal. Instead, race problems serve as an excuse for them to express their own hostility and frustrated need for power. In doing so they actually harm black people, because the activists’ hostile attitude toward the white majority tends to intensify race hatred.

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What's your stance on immigration policy and border enforcement?

Do you know what barbed wire is mate ?

I think it's hilarious that America has fenced off the DMZ for years and you'd rather rely on shit that lets terrorists try out your country first.

keep laughing, the data doesn't lie: the fence reduced illegal entries by over 99%
>over 99%

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This is why they instruct shareblue shills to not engage deeply in the threads they're trying to disrupt. Stick to the script, copy+paste the idiotic prepared responses, post the ineffective and failed memes. 2 cents per post. They know that people who actually try to engage (and see data like that collected by the Hungarian police, or crime rates, etc) risk changing their mind and destroying their leftist programming.

And just like that, a troll of 15 posts evaporates.

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have a meme user

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and another

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smart border enforcement is possible, with drones and advanced IT

as for immigration policy, we should have a merit-based system designed to brain-drain the rest of the world of their smart people. they should come work in america to build up our global dominance

Solid ideas.

>smart border enforcement is possible, with drones and advanced IT
retard logic and completely unwilling to recognize the proven success of simple barbed wire fences: >as for immigration policy, we should have a merit-based system designed to brain-drain the rest of the world of their smart people. they should come work in america to build up our global dominance
Two things about your insincere response:
1. Appealing to "brain draining" the third world and "building up our global dominance" in a pathetic attempt to appeal to whatever your script-writer thought our values are is retarded. Paper thin attempt to "justify" further immigration.
2. You fake, pre-scripted response is still a threat to the environment because it still supports immigration.

>spotted the false consensus shill
you two working as a pair or is the same person using a VPN?

show us what filename that image had before you renamed it user

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oh, samefag. can't put two responses into one post. total alpha-brain right here

>the proven success of simple barbed wire fences
that's some leet-tier logic right there. barbed wire is the solution to everything. bravo.
maybe learn something?

> Appealing to "brain draining" the third world and "building up our global dominance" in a pathetic attempt to appeal to whatever your script-writer thought our values are is retarded.
who's script writer? i'm just shilling for common sense.

>You fake, pre-scripted response is still a threat to the environment because it still supports immigration.
good grammar there, leaf. the US is an immigrant country, and without appealing to the best and brightest across the world with our enlightened philosophy and government, we'd be nothing. we've attracted the best and brightest over the years by providing a just and democratic society. and we have succeeded thanks to that.

>that's some leet-tier logic right there. barbed wire is the solution to everything. bravo.
maybe learn something?
not an argument and the data still stands: +99% reduction in illegal immigration, how do you disprove that?

>who's script writer? i'm just shilling for common sense.
You're still a terrible liar.

>good grammar there, leaf. the US is an immigrant country, and without appealing to the best and brightest across the world with our enlightened philosophy and government, we'd be nothing. we've attracted the best and brightest over the years by providing a just and democratic society. and we have succeeded thanks to that.
A bunch of empty, meaingless feel-good leftie platitudes which boil down to one thing:
>not an argument