Man, Jow Forums and early /b/ are confusing to me, many of you are against Anarchism and yet many of you also hold Anarchist beliefs and use Anarchist tactics. Then again Most of you think Anarchism is synonymous with primitivism and chaos, which is simply not true as police and the military still exist in a libertarian society, it's simply governed and funded differently via Mutual banks and agro-industrial federations between co-ops and businesses, which provide Public services such as roads and any public service funded through Voluntary and compensated Investments into these services, these investments are then compensated to those who invested through tolls on non-investors.
> But There have never been any successful anarchist societies.
Funny you don't believe in Anarchist societies cause you already live in one, the state is nothing more than an abstraction, just a collective of people who granted themselves authority over you with there uniforms and military and taxes which of course is all stolen from the taxpayers, without compensation.
> Go to Somalia.
somalia is not an Anarchy, Somalia's actual problem is they have several Governments attempting to take Somalia for there own, stealing and killing the citizens while they're at it.
> but who will be the mediator in times of dispute.
Courts still exist, they would be paid for via funding from both parties and if for any reason that one party cant pays for the court, They are free to ask a mutual bank for a loan or donation to pay for their half of the costs.
>Jow Forums is not one person >anarchy is just a different vein of dumb wouldnt it be nice bullshit like communism kys yourself my dude
Connor Bennett
Actually, Proudhon, father of modern anarchism Had a disdain for communism/Marxism and Marx stole from Proudhon. Also note how I said "many of you" not all, I think you should an-hero for not being able to read.
Don't bring actual political discussion here it goes way over 90% of the people here. Little do people realize that almost all political ideologies that have risen within the last 118 years have been left leaning, or an extreme outlier wing, like fascism or anarchy. And if they have, they get destroyed and broken down by people power. And for a good reason. Funny how the libertarian movement that happened many times in the US was way ahead of it's time. Now look at the shit storm that has also happened throughout it's history when they veer away from that. Sad.
Anyways. Real anarchism can't work. People need leadership and will seek the strongest no matter what.
Hunter White
> Anyways. Real anarchism can't work. People need leadership and will seek the strongest no matter what.
What do you think anarchism is?, some schools of thought admittedly "an"-coms and "an"-caps have no problem with hierarchy and of course, social Leaders will always arise but they hold no institutional power over others. Hence co-ops and Mutual aid. The state to quote Stirner is a "spook", it only holds power over people if the people allow it to. also, under anarchism People can Voluntarily elect a temporary lead who does not have absolute power and can be swiftly removed.
Or say someone has a project such as paving a road, just for meme sake, they can hold temporary and non-absolute direction over that project, so long as they don't intentionally aim to hurt someone in the process.
Gabriel Diaz
If you look at the origins of Fascism you actually find a lot of leftist elements, Inmho Its just rebranded communism to a degree, personally I don't consider myself either left or right or cent, it just makes sense for me that anarchism is not on either side of the paradigm considering if blatant anarchism was enacted that paradigm would be mostly eliminated.
Hunter Murphy
I don’t like anarchism because it’s not as efficient as it could be, and relies on ideological reasoning more than practical reasoning. Sure you can reason out that taxation is theft, but a state that can raise revenue in a centralized manner can do more than groups that raise funds through voluntary means.
Luke Jenkins
You just said that we currently live in an anarchy. So what are you upset about?
Juan Howard
> I don’t like anarchism because it’s not as efficient as it could be,, and relies on ideological reasoning more than practical reasoning.
Stirner was actually opposed to This same ideological stuff you mention here, I'm not an egotist but I see his and your point. But to answer your question There's no real reason say in a 1st world nation that anarchism couldn't work and be as efficient as a state, considering that all options but anarchy are exhausted the relationships between individuals and businesses already contribute greatly to our society in both good and bad ways, if the state and furthermore capitalism in favor of free markets were to be established it would become just as if not more efficient. Because of the apathy that people show toward the coercion of the state, so much apathy that they are almost the beaten wives of the relationship that they stay for no real reason.
I fuckin hate this picture, Honestly, Bernie, as well as trump and shillary, are all corporate pigs, and they should know no one has the right to force things or even hold the position of authority.
Asher Morgan
the very first couple minutes of this video make it even more clear, dont be afraid that its Glenn Beck i know that "automatically invalidates" the proposal for some of you but he did a very nice job explaining how the US is founded on a anarchist ideal (less goverment wherever possible) :
Yeah, it was similar however the philosophy of anarchism didn't come till later, at most I would say traditional Americanism is more of a Minarchist state, which furthers my point that not a trace of institutional authority should exist.
Isaac Flores
What is Anarchy?
Ryder Phillips
If you dont like corporations, why would ypu support anarchy, which would be rule by corporations?
After states, corporations are by far the most powerful factions on earth.
Blake Foster
>somalia is not an Anarchy, Somalia's actual problem is they have several Governments attempting to take Somalia for there own, stealing and killing the citizens while they're at it. And what prevents these "several Governments" appear in your fairy tale state?
Aiden Kelly
To simply explain it, Its order without authority, Its traditionally based on a series of free associations such as co-ops and individually owned business, not to be confused with Private property which is property protected by the violence of the state, Anarchy is a Governmentless society but despite popular belief, Not lawless as courts, police, and military still exist however. Without a state modern capitalism couldn't exist, there would still be a free market but instead of corporations which are propped up by the state, there would be essentially crowdfunded co-ops and businesses.
Like I said, there's still a military, actually, several considering communities militias would form federations to fight the govts, it being in the communities best interest.
Cooper Lopez
How do you deal with overpopulation? If I cannot consent to existence, why do anarchists not consider bringing another being into existence to be violence? How do you propose to defeat the longest-lasting Mafia in the world without a hierarchy/chain of command and the willingness to use retaliatory force of arms?
Anarchism isn't idealistic enough to deal with any eschatological issues.
Joseph Russell
>To simply explain it, Its order without authority
So, imaginary then. What you're describing isn't an idea conncted to the real world. You may not formal authority, but whoever leads that military is your sovereign.
>Anarchy is a Governmentless society
No it isn't, you just told me there would be police, courts, and a military. Whether you call it a state, corporation, co-op, or call it nothing at all, government is defines by the act of governing. Whatever person or group goves the orders that are followed by 51% of the military is the government.
>Without a state modern capitalism couldn't exist, there would still be a free market but instead of corporations which are propped up by the state, there would be essentially crowdfunded co-ops and businesses.
You can give them whatever name you want. Incorporated bodies of individuals with mutual interests would run the show. A state is the only thing that cand temper and control mutli-national 300 billion dollar companies (and even that may not last forever). Without a state in the ay, these corporations, that are responsible for the livelihoods of millions of people and have more thsn enough money to fund their own militaries, will be sovereign. They will make whatever rules seve their percievd interests.
Justin Jones
Jow Forums has always had that contradiction that they promote a political philosophy that would make the existence of Jow Forums impossible
Charles Jackson
I think you mistook the term. State = ruling class, a class that oppress you. Society without state = society without ruling class.
Basically, anarchists are communists who don't understand dialectics.
