Given the current state of the 4th industrial revolution...

>we all become slaves to machines, that is progress

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Maybe we should all just kill ourselves?

There is no reason to keep unproductive people alive.

Remember this when they try to implement UBI's

If I can sit in my NEETSTATION orbiting saturn playing vidya and being fed through a tube via. sunlight, I'd say that was a win.

You are saying that I am misunderstanding something that is yet to happen. I am saying that I am not. What gives?

I thought your point was about equality, if it wasn't, my mistake.

>Given the current state of the 4th industrial revolution. How long do you guys think it'll be before we have to switch over to universal basic income?
It will vary between country, but globablly speaking it'll be the norm in 15-20 years, but most of you will die first.
>How do you feel about the fact communism has to take over for humanity to progress?
Couldn't care less, i'm wealthy, I come from a wealthy family. If anything i'll profit from it.

Protip, you should all start learning Mandarin now.

The perceived problem of equality is not going away, regardless what will fuel the next industrial revolutions. If anything, it is only going to become a louder issue.

I think a limited basic income would be a better idea, for example you only get it if you earn under say $40,000.

Cantonese is genuinely better as Mandarin is a peasant language. All rich chinks speak Cantonese when doing business.

It needs to be fleshed out properly, but that's not a bad idea.

>Mandarin is a peasant language
That was my point, peasant.

No means tests on UBI because that means you need to do fucktons of assessments and task HMRC/whatever the aussie tax people are with hunting more fraud.

If you want to counterbalance it with higher taxes further up the income distribution, sure, but don't fuck about at the point of delivery unless you want to very quickly have ALL THE BUREAUCRACY as governments add more and more conditions and modifiers to try and aim it at the "deserving".

Personally I'd start a job guarantee so people can make a living wage and have the option to turn down a job, plus it provides staff for various lesser govt. organizations like libraries and charities could apply for JG workers, then introduce a land value tax that funds a small UBI. The UBI money goes to pay down any debts that person might have and if they have none then they get a cash injection, because pretty much every big country has a private debt bubble right now.

Discourages housing speculation, provides more flexibility to workers, may possibly make the next crash sting a lot less.

>flag
checks out.

Automation is mostly a meme. Yeah, some select companies make a lof of use of automation, humans will always be needed to build, repair, program and watch the machines.
Smaller companies will NEVER use automation.
So no, a world where humans can just sit on their ass and get their commie allowance while robots do all the work isn't going to happen.

I'd give it about 20 years before it is really here. Although the technology for it almost exists now (fabricator arm with machine vision). But it will still take a while to be mass adopted. I'll probably end up supporting some form of basic income but that will have to mean there isn't a push to vilify whites in the process. They really fucked it up going that route, declaring the egalitarian multicultural government as an institute of white supremacy. I had to destroy that, and will again in the future. BTW zionism is jewish ethnic nationalism, no different than white ethnic nationalism. 2 million people butchered so far.

Also, rather than being a utopia, UBI will be more like a bribe to stop the proles from murdering all the entrenched capitalists, and year by year it will be worth less and less until a class if formed that will have 0 hope of escape.

Why would there be a UBI instead of a purging of the non-working classes?

Hilarious
Idiots: OMG! Robot cars = no professional drivers!
>the shortage of professional drivers is MORE acute than ever. Not only are autonomous lorries 20-60 years away 80%+ of the job of the drivers is load handling, custody and security, and legal compliance NOW. Professional drivers believe autonomous vehicles will make vehicular shipping cheaper leasing to a doubling if demand for drivers
Idiots: OMG! Robots will eliminate factory jobs!
>while unskilled factory jobs have sharply declined for 40 years automation has caused an explosion of demand for skilled tradesmen to the point that the total amount of jobs related to manufacturing has remained constant for 20 years as salaries have gone UP.
Idiots: OMG! Robots = no jobs!!!!
>the lack of skilled trades is so acute that it is estimated that if just 15% of HS graduates for the next 5 years went into skilled trades it would add one trillion dollars to the US economic output alone. Currently in the YS there are 500,000 skilled trade job opening that have zero certified people to fill them, meaningvthey sit empty, crippling companies. The biggest hindrance to increased automation is a lack of technicians to install and maintain them.

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Welfare is the bribery of democracies to keep the lower classes in check; bread for the plebs; soma for the gammas

> humans will always be needed to build, repair, program and watch the machines
You can build machines to do that, if it can be broken down into smaller tasks it can be mechanised.
>Smaller companies will NEVER use automation
They will be put out of business

What companies should I invest in to see profit?

>China in terminal decline
>learn mandarin
I remember high schools telling all the kids to learn Japanese in the 1990s

Any prediction that includes Communism is automatically retarded and wrong

because people wont vote to be butchered and that means you will never get voted in if you do. Why the fuck do people think that "they'll just kill us" is a valid point?

You are beyond delusional if you think the global economy won’t collapse in 30-40 years. With emmissions increasing at the current rate, 6% of global gdp will be needed to curtail the effects of climate change by 2050 with that percentage point increasing year over year. How the fuck are you gonna give people free gibs when that money is gonna be used to just maintain the economy from collapsing. You people are so fucking deluded it’s beyond depressing at this point.

>30-40
very optimistic bro.
Jews are obsesed with numbers and in 2029 will the one century after 1929

And that flea has a flea, and that flea has a flea, until every flea has infinite mass, right?
Think of growing a banana in the tropics for your lazy ass in Birmingham
Your plan
>robots build and repair robots in humid jungles, then robot installed and maintained robots transport the banana over robitvrepaired roads to robotic ports where roboships cross the seas to a roboport and the process continues until a banana sits close enough to you to be ordered and then robot delivered
>each step requires a minimum of 8 sub-robots, all so sophisticated that they never need human intervention
Capex? Incredible. The Opex of just routine electricity is staggering
>think of the massive network of power grids you would need and THOSE layers of robots!!!
Human-run operations would flourish as the MUCH cheaper alternative!

People don't vote for wars either, they still get them.
They don't have a choice in the matter.

>even the IPCC is admitting global temps were flat for 20 years and have declined for 2
>the most dire predictions of the doom cryers was never too bad
>You: we will spend 1 in 5 euros to not make CO2
Moron

Ask the Krauts for help with that. Their Energiewende program is quite impressive, Britain should be jumping on that sexy gen 4 solar and tidal power so we don't have to buy what little russian oil we currently require.
China's working on that too, mostly with tech the Germans sold them.

>And that flea has a flea, and that flea has a flea, until every flea has infinite mass, right?
What the flying fuck?
>>robots build and repair robots in humid jungles, then robot installed and maintained robots transport the banana over robitvrepaired roads to robotic ports where roboships cross the seas to a roboport and the process continues until a banana sits close enough to you to be ordered and then robot delivered
>each step requires a minimum of 8 sub-robots, all so sophisticated that they never need human intervention
If you can break an action up into a simple and repetitive one you can automate it and it will be cheaper and more efficient. Its called economies of scale. For one banana it may sound dumb, but not for millions of tons of bananas.
>Human-run operations would flourish as the MUCH cheaper alternative!
Humans need pay, robots dont. Humans make mistakes, robots dont, humans are slow, robots arent. humans get complacent, robots perform at peak capacity always

Global population is poised for an incredibly rapid natural decline starting in our lifetime.
It is going to be so sharp a drop the Chinese ditched One Child (far too fucking late).
By 2100 the world population will be a fraction of what it is now, all without war or disease.

just fyi dude, robots make a shitload of mistakes and every factory produces a shitload of defective product that needs to be removed from the track

How the fuck would it be brought up? How the fuck would the political ideologies of the west possibly make room for "dude we should kill all of the poor". Which ideology would do this? How would they bring it up in parliament? How would they not be immediately dismissed and the entire party disgraced? How would any serious talks not literally start a revolution with everyone, even those who work, beating down the doors of the parliament to overthrow the people setting a dangerous precedent?
Please tell me how

If society reaches the 4th revolution it will implode. No society can withstand the untold inequality and decadence of having the vast majority of all labor being done by robots. At least, no secular society. A Christian one perhaps, but materialists will become even more absurd and reductionist that they already are and if they had free reign now they'd burn the country to the ground.

The nature of the mistake is fairly important, thats not just a general argument. They do the same thing each and every time, so they wont just randomly make mistakes

Also faulty products get sent back or destroyed, no biggy

Machine vision that can break down an object into sub-objects like how an artist roughs in a human form using spheres and cylinders will fix this problem. Google had a tech demo maybe 5 years ago where it can input a photograph and say "a man is throwing a baseball to another man". Its closer than many normies like you can conceive.

Kill yourself you faggot

>calling me a normie
>not knowing how machines work
Sorry to burst your bubble but it doesn't matter how perfect your little machine is, in most factories they run 24/7 and repairs are more expensive than wasted product and no machine can run without stopping without making mistakes
yeah but people don't work in today's world because they need to, they do it because the governments want us all to work constantly, that way no one has too much time on their hands

There won't ever be UBI in any serious capacity that has a level of success greater than if they had foregone the practice.
There will be the atomization of the means of production, which will lead to the black market becoming the de facto market. As for currency, there'll be trade and most likely there will be multiple competing currencies.

You have obviously never worked in a large automated setting.
I have. I DO.
You cannot get robots to reliably move tapes back and forth within a silo. Backups to tape is a fraction of the cost of backups to disk, but large firms moved to dusk.
Why?
Multi-million dollar robots to handle rape still break down often enough.
Your solution seems to be either
>some sort of autonomous robot so good at everyfuckingthing that it makes sense to spend a fortune on it so it can repair anything
Or
>a robotruck bring a tape robot repairing robot from robostorage to pickup the tape
And your moronic claim is that is cheaper and easier than
>fifteen dollar an hour Bob just fixes it
Riiiiiiight.
Robots are really good at some things, but suck at lots. And your plan would require a damn near infinite number of them just to, say, grow coffee and get it to market.
You are at the diseconomies of scale

Right. No white scummy pieces-of-shit home on disability/welfare while the rest work. kys.

Im going to ignore this because its just a conspiracy theory.

Look at how this normie recoils. Did you have a real argument? If I respond to your hand waving, how much further will you move your goalposts?

>He thinks governance is for the benefit of the people

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>even the IPCC is admitting global temps were flat for 20 years and have declined for 2

This is verifiably false though. IPCC models aren’t even correct because they have imaginary sequestration technology that doesn’t even exist factored in to their logarithms

A smaller sixaxis industrial arm runs about 20k btw, or the equivalent of 3 millennial slaves

t. never worked in factory
also countries like mine where you can get cheap quality labor for your factory are used by the big players because it is cheaper than machines, and this will continue even after you die

I am glad everyone pointed out immediately the realistic situation is just killing a TON of people.

I have no idea what this tape or disk thing is, but if its about data storage thats not why people moved onto disk format. In fact its the opposite. Its incredibly easy to make a cd or dvd, its made of plastic and you can get a machine to etch data onto it with laser precision. You can then mass produce it, so not only can you store more on a disk than a tape by a huge margin, its also much cheaper to manufacture thanks to laser etching machines
So actually its more profitable to move onto products whose manufacture can be automated rather than those which require human labour.
The rest of your post is literal crap. Boomers go home

> that has a level of success greater than if they had foregone the practice.
way to add a caveat making your entire statement moot. So you are making no claim at all.

Wheres the argument?

> so they wont just randomly make mistakes
Confirmed for never working in even a large data center.
Get 5,000 servers in a room and run them. In a week you will have random faults from everything from minor fluctuations in amps to actual fucking cosmic rays.
Go to a large CAM facility and ask how many human inspectors are required to catch random faults
>it is not zero

You think you will have 4th industrial revolution in you country and universal basic income with your imigrant population kek… You will most likely fight in your destroyed streets and after quick civil war you will pay jizya to your masters if you want to survive….

Then you get a machine to keep tabs on it. If it does less than the thing that its watching or if it can watch multiple at once then even if the watchman machine breaks down you can still taper off the bots. Its not a 1 to 1 ratio of one watcher and fixer bot to one working bot.

I don't understand what you mean. I'm saying that every fucking time, it won't work. It might get by okay, but it'll by no means excel. I say that because it's only been tried a few times, and there have yet to be trials on a mass scale. My guess is it would not end well at all.

why would we pay lazy retards to keep being lazy retards? keep your socialist bullshit to yourself, it ruined our country over the pavement ape's "presidency" ie the grand fucking of my country by a pack of savages and anti-american conspirators.

>Smaller companies will NEVER use automation.

You mean total automation, right?

Because automation is already everywhere, a CNC milling machine is like having another person in the shop cranking handles and changing tools for you.

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>hurrrrr durrrrr I do not know nuttin bout no tape or disk but, ayuck, lemme tell you ALLLLLLLL ABOUT da cheats way to put data into storage, with DVDs, durrrrrrrrrrrr
Let me give you a hint, moron
6.25 TB can be put into a single tape cartridge smaller than a DVD writer
You would need 1000 fucking DVDs (that write at a fraction of the speed and cannot be as easily reused) at 30 times the cost for just the fucking media.
Your
>cheap and easy solution
is about 100 times as complex and expensive.
About like your moronic
>given an infinite number of robots and limitless free energy
Pipe dreams

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>get a machine, hurrr
You seem to think that a major data center does not already have tons of tracking and monitoring software and appliances.
They do.
That is why you would only have some few faults, not hundreds.
And THOSE applications and appliances need human monitors because
>get this
They fail and break, too
Once more - your plan requires infinite robots, infinite money, and limitless free power

no, it's incomparably better

I guess the problem isn't really the lazy retards but lazy retards with nothing to do.
This is part of why automation will break unions, where if there aren't enough jobs people will sink lower than the demands of the robots.
Also partially why total automation might never happen when you have plenty of willing humans to work even for scraps if it comes to it.

>6.25 TB can be put into a single tape cartridge smaller than a DVD writer
[citation needed] also we dont store terabytes on disks, we store them in hard drives, and now SSD drives. The most people use a DVD for is like a movie, no one needs anymore than that
>That write at a fraction of the speed and cannot be as easily reused
DVDs can be reused endlessly provided they dont get scratched as only light beams are used to read them. Tape wears out. Also this is a moot point as we dont store terabytes on dvds.
>is about 100 times as complex and expensive.
Well its not because people make DVDs and not tapes anymore. In fact DVDs are so cheap that you can buy stacks of 50 blank ones at a time cheaply, and write them at home if you want. I would say that says something about the manufacturing process.
>given an infinite number of robots and limitless free energy
I never said anything about unlimited, in fact is there is a greater than one worker bot to one fixer bot the number will decrease exponentially.

It doesnt require limitless anything. In fact it explicitly requires only finite and exponentially decreasing resources the more complex and individual robot gets. I legit feel like you are 50

Yep the two first world war where to rid Europe of it's poorest and settle new border for the next 100 years.

But now with AI and Automation they don't need as many people. And it get worst once you understand that the manufacturing capability of the world as move to China which is the NWO wet dream of total population control.

The Future is this.

Either you are dead or a slave!

what a cute lathe even the ac plug is mini.

>How long do you guys think it'll be before we have to switch over to universal basic income?
universal basic income will never happen

a public dividend is long overdue

Yep... People are very naive. They have been fed this lie big time in France... But they are fools.

They either will be killed or become slave.

There won’t be universal income. When automation takes most people’s jobs, The Party will just kill the useless people. Why would they waste money keeping a worthless person alive when they have no need to?

>the lack of skilled trades is so acute
you would have to be crazy to work a trade unless your area supports it, too many poor homeowners trying to rip you off, much easier to buy homes and flip them, that way your labor is protected, thats why there is no skilled trades available, they work for themselves, of course people want to hire them, but it's much easier to make more not letting some shark rip off your labor

Yeah thats why they wont do ot. Because it will be a country of soja.

Dont behave like an amerimutt, you fall to their memes.

>Why would they waste money keeping a worthless person alive when they have no need to?
killing people is really expensive even if you set it up properly

We still need technicians, mechanics and engineers.

You're not very creative are you.
My guess is either there's going to be a manufactured war/other mass casualty event or they'll require sterilisation to be on UBI and people won't be able to disagree because they literally can't get jobs. After a generation or two the non-workers would be so other'd and small it'd be simple to actually kill them off.
That's assuming it reaches that point anyway, I'm still under the blackpill that western civilisation will soon be in such a decline that we won't be able to automate to that degree.

It's a vertical knee mill (milling machine).

Here's a lathe.

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>citation
FFS, you are talking about needing 1,200 DVDs per enterprise server per day for backups and are too stupid to look up storage tape
>LTO-6, moron
.
>Disk aint hdd, durrrrr
Spinning disk, idiot. IT terms

>my solution is NOT more complex because people do not make tapes anymore
Dear heavens you are fucktarded.
Moron, I hope you are studying English because you cannot be trusted near data. Data storage tape is 1/30th the cost of DVDs and DVDs degrade faster and are more fragile.
And your fucktarded self is forgetting the original point: even as the cheapest solution it is used less because robots are too unreliable!
>I only need 3 robots
Do you legit think
>a robot
Can do ANYTHING?
The idea of
>just make a robot that can fix a robot
Is hideously complex, what robots can it fix? What robots fix it? How does the repair robot get to the malfunctioning robot? How does the robot that repairs the repair robot get to IT? How do any of the robots know there is a breakdown?
You have zero understanding of how complex it is to just mostly automate backing up data in a large environment
>as you have repeatedly proven
A Fortune 100 firm will spend north of 1 million a year in just the automation software AND will need a team of 9 to 12 IT specialists all making over $50k to manage all of the devices, appliances, software, etc.
These firms removed the physical robots to improve efficiency.
And this is just pushing data over a network!
Your
>just add robots
bit only reveals your ignorance of how complex things really are.

the industrial revolution and its consequences have been a disaster for the human race

t.Mr. KnowsNothingAboutManufacturing

It will never happen, you lazy communist faggot. Remember the luddite protests? Now, that, except instead of just some weavers, it's everyone. Angry workers will smash every AI and every AI programmer will be raped to death.

>You're not very creative are you.
Because creativity is a strong suit of story telling not politics, parties operate along ideological lines and will not usually stray from them just because.
>My guess is either there's going to be a manufactured war/other mass casualty event or they'll require sterilisation to be on UBI
See what fucking ideology would think this was a good idea? Not the conservatives, not the liberals, not the nationalists, not the communists. Literally no one but a doomsday prepper believes that killing off massive amounts of people is a solution to anything.
>and people won't be able to disagree because they literally can't get jobs. After a generation or two the non-workers would be so other'd and small it'd be simple to actually kill them off.
But they can still fucking vote, and so will immediately vote against any party that thinks of this, and the opposition will pounce on it to secure power.
>That's assuming it reaches that point anyway, I'm still under the blackpill that western civilisation will soon be in such a decline that we won't be able to automate to that degree.
This is your main point, you are so needlessly pessimistic that you believe something so utterly mad and illogical for all parties involved will happen just because it suits your "everything is fucked" narrative.

If you arent going to actually explain what fucking terms you are using then this whole thing is pointless. Are you arguing that Video tapes are better than dvds?

Zika was just a test run folks. Remember, if you get rockefeller fever, just head on down to the orgy and fuck the pain of your stolen fertility away.

>Is hideously complex, what robots can it fix? What robots fix it?
That depends on the type of failures that happen in the environment.
How does the repair robot get to the malfunctioning robot?
Jeez what is wheels or caterpillar tracks?
>How does the robot that repairs the repair robot get to IT?
It a good job that self repairing robots are impossible and that you cant have maybe a couple of self repairing robots online in case one breaks down
>How do any of the robots know there is a breakdown?
What is fucking diagnostics
>A Fortune 100 firm will spend north of 1 million a year in just the automation software AND will need a team of 9 to 12 IT specialists all making over $50k to manage all of the devices, appliances, software, etc.
These firms removed the physical robots to improve efficiency.
And this is just pushing data over a network!
They can clearly afford it if they are fortune 500.

Nippon bro is correct, UBI is more expensive than war, they will just use war to depopulate

Can't rule out diseases, could happen naturally, nature abhors a vacuum

he's being sarcastic

>Because creativity is a strong suit of story telling not politics
What do you think politics is? You have a goal and you want to propagandize people to accept that goal so you need to tell a story. You're bluepilled as fuck if you think politicians aren't story tellers.
>See what fucking ideology would think this was a good idea?
Jews. And they run the conservatives, liberals, libertarians and communists. Why the fuck would jews want to pay goyim to stay alive? And that's just the jews, the elites wouldn't want to either.
>But they can still fucking vote
Reread that, "After a generation or two the non-workers would be so other'd and small". What do you think would happen when a few generations of people have been sterilised? It'd be some very quick eugenics combined with some absurd levels of nepotism, the non-workers would be a considerably smaller percentage.
>This is your main point, you are so needlessly pessimistic
That's not pessimism it's observation. Have you not looked at the state of western society? Europe is turning african and arabic, America is turning mexican, we're turning chinese, and there's nothing our governments are going to do to stop it (in fact those traitors are encouraging it).

>What do you think politics is? You have a goal and you want to propagandize people to accept that goal so you need to tell a story. You're bluepilled as fuck if you think politicians aren't story tellers.
Yeah but there needs to be a reason that somebody wants it, some ideological motivation
>Jews
AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA Knew it. If in doubt just use a scapegoat that is taken to be pure evil so that anything is justifiable
>eread that, "After a generation or two the non-workers would be so other'd and small". What do you think would happen when a few generations of people have been sterilised? It'd be some very quick eugenics combined with some absurd levels of nepotism, the non-workers would be a considerably smaller percentage.
Except that elections happen all the time, and your own cabinet can literally overthrow you
>That's not pessimism it's observation. Have you not looked at the state of western society? Europe is turning african and arabic, America is turning mexican, we're turning chinese, and there's nothing our governments are going to do to stop it (in fact those traitors are encouraging it).
Its not an observation, its a fucking reach and a half. All the shit that is getting fucked up is precisely because there is an ideological reason to do so, its called neoliberalism. The "lets just kill everyone because its cheaper" idea is not an ideology, there is no way that people would
A. actually think this
B. Actually be able to enact it

human labour is still predominant, and capitalist will rather keep reducing wages and bringing cheap immigrants so there is no incentive to them for investing in automation, automation will come AFTER a workers revolution

Butlerian Jihad is coming soon AI niggers.

>AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA Knew it.
Yeah, you're bluepilled as fuck.