Do you think there is a conspiracy to keep cancer around?

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The richest and most powerful people in the world get cancer and die. Literally everyone gets cancer and dies.

If there was some magical segment of the population who seemed mysteriously immune to cancer, I'd say maybe.

But this is something that literally everyone deals with one way or another. There is so much personal investment in trying to beat cancer across literally every demographic that it's just impossible for there to be some kind of broad multinational conspiracy to keep it around.

So really, who would be at the helm of this conspiracy? Who's setting these rules that literally everyone involved with medical research is following -- against their own personal interest in NOT getting cancer or seeing their family get cancer?

This is dumb.

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No one knows how cancer from a certain patient will respond to treatment. Sometimes it goes into remission only to metastatize somewhere else.

A miracle cure that works for 100% of the population is next to impossible.

So what did she eat, plates full of lettuce?

There is no cure for cancer. Cancer has always existed as a natural form of population control. Cancer evolves with us and cannot be beaten.

This.
There is a reason almost all old religions have a fasting period.
The body can use a time of rest and regeneration of all cells.
Also burns fat better then any diet.

You can't eat cancer away but you can severely slow your demise by immidiately changing your diet after diagnosis.

Yes

Stop being a fucking retard. It doesn't matter if one person tried this and failed, what matters is that there isn't a single person who has done this and succeeded.

Some crazy guy can run in the streets right now naked screaming about how him chopping off his penis while shouting ''ooga booga'' makes him immortal, and then you can say ''heh, just because one guy tried it and failed doesn't mean it will never work.''

Go get cancer, retard, and when you have cancer you try some retarded diet. There is a high chance that someone in your family will eventually have cancer, go ahead and force your stupid diets on them, go ahead and deny them proper treatment.

I remember hearing around last year about using stem cells released by fasting in conjunction with chemo/radiation therapy showing very promising results.
Not sure what happened with that.

was cancer always a thing since the dawn of man or did it only recently sprung up as a means of population control?

the #1 things you can do to prevent cancer are not drink alcohol and protect yourself from the sun.

>SAD
>get non-brain cancer
>go keto
>???
>live

Some cancers.

Stuff like colon cancer and hormonal cancers are very much a modern occurrence.

I had a teacher in middle school whose husband got cancer and he changed his diet to exclusively chicken and vegetables. He’s the only one from his support group who’s still alive 10 years later. I think most normal weight people could beat most forms of cancer by doing the same thing

Well i think cancer is now way more ussual since we have a lot of shit thats causing it
Chemicals in the air from all the factories (in bigger cities), we have more chemical shit in food, water etc

Fasting doesn't produce stem cells. Whatever you read was bullshit.
Unless you are a pregnant woman, you aren't producing a single stem cell.

it was always a thing bro, evolution selects primarily on reproduction (female choice)

no one cares if some 50 year old gets cancer

where do you think the word cancer comes from

fasting is resting?

Are you literally retarded?

No higher cancer rates are inevitable as people live longer on average.

Wish his company died with him

Chemo and radiation have a success rate of 2-3% respectively.
It is pretty clear that this is a money making scam and that pharma and co have an interest in keeping people sick, however:
I also don't have any trouble believing that research is costly as fuck and that people are also lazy as fuck when it comes to implementing new stuff.

youtube.com/watch?v=DkNl12BaeSI

They are finding new treatments. Around 97% success rate with cancer removal in mice.

Potentially works for humans, too.

We will see if it gets implemented.

Whats the best kind of cancer to get if you had to choose, skin cancer or something else?

Digesting and oxidizing food puts stress on the body and increases production of free radicals. You literally cant get around this. But lowering your metabolic rate through fasting can reduce this temporarily. There are other beneficial effects but thats not the focus of this convo

The chance of getting cancer increases with age and being fat increases chance of cancer too.
Just 200 years ago the rate of cancer would have been way lower because the life expectancy and the average weight was way lower.
Cancer is going to become more and more common and it has nothing to do with population control.

No, cancer is more common because we are living longer. Everything gets cancer eventually. Hard to get cancer when most people die of disease in their 40s like we used to

>he thinks the charities for cancer are actually around to defeat the cancer.
>he also reddit spaces
you are the cancer, so if there isn't a conspiracy, kill yourself.

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Iirc fasting (or a mimic of fasting) triggers a mechanism by which residue stem cells are released and regenerate damaged organs as well as protect healthy cells.
While this seems to be healthy in general, when done during radiation it seems to protect the healthy cells leading to much higher rates of cancer elimination.

The doctor is called Valter Longo.
I've only seen about it in pop media, not sure what actual scientific papers say about it (or if there are any)

Absolutely, though fighting it with diet is retarded

loool just smoke weed and eat salad loool

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>Whats the best kind of cancer to get if you had to choose, skin cancer or something else? two factors determine how deadly a cancer is: location and wether it can spread or not. So any cancer that is in a safe location (like on the skin and not deep in the brain) and can't spread (like a benign tumor) are good.

He tried the vegetarianism which helped the cancer. The cancer stopping diet is all meat

Steve jobs ruined apple, it was a better company before they started marketing their shit as lifestyle choices

this, he needed deep green vegitables

nature.com/articles/onc201191

didn't that german get the nobel prize for discovering cancer was fermentation replacing respiration in the cell like 80 or more years ago?

seems rather easy to cure, of course there is a conspiracy to get you sick: SLS, parabens, phthalates, glyphosate in your food and on your clothing, the flame retardants on your carpets and mattress, etc. etc.

If you don't eat organic and avoid carcinogens, you're probably stupid and poor. Enjoy dying young. Also, don't listen to me, but don't use your cell phone up to your ear. I've been told this going back 10 years, minimum, probably more like 15 years now. Nokia bigwig advice, too.

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Why are you so invested in this? Every reply of yours suggests anger

>gerson therapy
>coffee enemas

Gonna pass

t. Chemokike

Aside from other factors like using plastics and toxic chemicls etc is it just inevitable? Would it be safe to equate this to like a memory leak on your pc that causes it to crash all the time from always having it running without properly shutting it down?

Do you think there is some kind of "error" in our "code" or dna that trips up on itself without proper "disk cleaning/memory checks" or debugging?

He also used to soak his feet in toilets.

Probably fasting and no carbohydrates, low protein, high fat. Most common tumors/cancers with women can be fought via eliminating sugars.

>Stop eating flesh which is 'animal' cells combined
>Receive less resources that 'animal' cells are composed of
>A disease which causes the spread of damaged cells suddenly has less resistence
Gee I wonder why he failed

Rich people don’t die you fucking mongoloid. They just upload their consciousness into a fresh body

no

Cancer is cell mutation, it can occur in single cell organisms with RNA. Every cell multiplies via mitosis and ketokinesis, eventually parts of its DNA mutate and the cell and its satelites continue to use up resources and replicate. Often times mutated cells go into the blood stream and find themselves in other parts of the body, where they repurpose and affect satelite cells, that's metastasis.

Evolution does not select for cancer, since it's irrelevant in evolutionary terms. Selection pressures are for genetic fitness up to the point of reproduction, and cancer by its nature occurs much later.

Sun exposure is required to fight cancer, actually. It's missing minerals and poor diet which exacerbates skin conditions and presents as being sun related.

Lol no, they started smartphones you dumbass while Steve was alive and Macbooks are best notebooks on the planet.

If you live long enough, you will get cancer. That's just what life is man.

Dry fast, train up to it. Dry fast for 14 days and no way cancer survives

I feel like it is preventable even when we are able to live longer. When you run a computer long enough and go online with it without proper maintenance or cleaning, eventually it starts to slow down and get memory leaks and crashes.

UV-A radiation damages skin cell DNA and can incur in mutation, thus cancer. Exposure to sun is a double edged sword. You need it for vitamin D, melatonin and the health of your visual receptor cells, but at the same time UV radiation greatly increases your chances of melanoma.

Use sunscreen, especially if you are pale.

yep, it's called rubber soled shoes

No.
Cancer is not a disease, it's the result of the slow degradation of your cellular material's ability to effectively replace itself.
Thus it can't be cured in the way that a disease can be cured.
If you're going to 'cure,' cancer, you would need to develop a system of treatment that prevents the kind of breakdown that cancer is a result of, which most cancer researchers are not actually doing much of.

It's more a strategic misallocation of resources than anything nefarious.

And what is the brain but a giant computer, I suppose.

It's pure pop science. If you look up the guy's name, he is just some guy selling people fasting diets. No peer reviews, nothing. The only person in the world claiming that fasting creates stem cells is this guy, and no one outside of tabloids has spoken about this.

I used to fall for this kind of shit all the time when I was a kid. I read pop science magazines all the time and every week it felt like some amazing breakthrough was being made, you read some article about how scientists have created immortal mice and will start making humans immortal, and then 20 years later nothing has happened.
These ''scientists'' are money grubbing faggots.
Your body doesn't generate stem cells and the few stem cells that are in your body aren't enough to ''regenerate damaged organs.''

Put down the burger bro.
Yes, fasting is resting. Digestion takes energy to do and giving your body some time out is beneficial.

That's what they are working on, actually. Ways to sustain telomeres indefinitely so as to keep cells insulated and self-contained and effectively allow them to replicate ad infinitum.

It will be eternal youth and immunity to cancer, simultaneously.

Steve Jobs getting cancer wasn't so much a diagnosis, as karma.

Correct, I wasn't saying to go and get burned on the daily and turn your skin to leather, but you need sun exposure and vitamin A (non-synthetic) as well as a good balance of minerals so that you Calcium is not low, which causes growths and mutations, but not high, which fucks many other processes.

Lol next you’re gonna say that sleep is resting too even though that’s when the body is actively repairing itself the most

>It's more a strategic misallocation of resources than anything nefarious.
Yes.

ask Monsanto-Bayer

That's you being retarded because I called you out. You project your emotions on me because you have no argument.
There is no anger in explaining the increase in cancer rates. Instead of projecting your emotions you should go talk some cancer patients into slurping onions milk or whatever your genius cancer treatment diet plan is.

even rich people are dumb and eat like shit. the secret to beating cancer with diet is eating wholesome and balanced meals from all food groups of the pyramid. anything to boost your metabolism because if your metabolism is boosted, then your body can fight off cancer like it normally does. the fact cancer has become more widespread is largely due to nutrient deficient foods that people eat nowadays.

increase the age people can successfully reproduce at, and you will put pressure on cancer to only occur at older and older ages.

The best way to cure cancer (and a lot of other maladies, especially that affect he old) long term is to extend human fertility into old age.

If you ground yourself to planet earth, which is negatively charged, you can ameliorate oxidative damage caused by radiation and carcinogenic mutagens by cycling charge through the natural mechanism. If you don't wear rubber shoes or you're otherwise touching organic ground with your organic body, any free radical electrons created through radiation damage or mutagens or whatever are associated with electrons flowing into you from the earth, stopping any free radical electron chain reaction where lone electrons jump from cell to cell causing damage because of its energy potential and unpaired status.

Shoes give you wrinkles and cancer, lol

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>diet for cancer
That'd be fasting. But we have yet to see its effect in treating illnesses.
>factually nullifies inflamation
>renews cells and stimulates hgh secretion
I don't see why it shouldn't be researched more extensively.

>They are finding new treatments.
1960's: "You have cancer. We'll cut it out and give you chemotherapy and radiotherapy".
2018: "You have cancer. We'll surgically remove it and give you chemotherapy and radiotherapy".
>They are finding new treatments.
No they aren't.

it starves the cell of glucose, which it needs for fermentation, which is what cancer is

Feminism.
You can just beat the shit out of it and lock it in a cage.

More recently people have begun to look into cell maintenance and telomere lengthening, but for the past several decades, researchers have focused on developing therapy.

You are referring to the thermic effect of food and that does not occur during fasting.

Fasting places you in a state of mild shock, like exercise does. It upregulates your adrenaline and norepinephrine, HGH, SHBG and glucocorticoids.

That's merely scratching the surface but I cant be assed to explain the whole process.

Worm wood
artemesia

>boosted metabolism
Then what about lanklets? Surely they can still get cancer and their body has a high metabolism by default.

Yes, CNN is still on air

Cancer can be cured with dry fasting. It's caused by eating to often, too much, poor diet combined with not enough sleep.

there's new treatments.
immuno therapy

engineering AIDS to fight it

There are ketones available.

You have no idea what you're talking about

nothing apple makes is the best of anything

Perhaps prevented. It's too early to say more.

>do you think there is a conspiracy to keep cancer around?
No. Even the elite die of cancer.

>Steve jobs tried this too. Didn't work out.
Steve had ass cancer, very rare to recover from that.

>Steve Jobs getting cancer wasn't so much a diagnosis, as karma.
?
Apple is one of the better PC companies in terms of privacy and FreeSource innovation.
For a long time, they were the only viable alternative to Windows and Intel.

Why doesn't Bill Gates have cancer?

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Metabolism is such a misunderstood notion. Every single being is at the mercy of the 1st law of thermodynamics. The only differences between persons are a)genetics (alpha and beta receptors in fat cells and how they respond), testosterone levels (and DHT, DHEA, aromatase) and b)behavioral traits (nervous energy, hypertension, ADHD and its derivatives) and c)endocrinology (serotonin, norepinephrine, glutamate and cortisol levels)

>There is a reason almost all old religions have a fasting period.
The argument of antiquity. KYS.

An instructor that I used to respect said that preventing cancer also meant in balancing your ph scale and that drinking water with lemon juice (from real lemons) or with vinegar helped in doing that. Were they right?

It's not fair. Even if you do everything right to prevent some of the common cancers, there's probably some other more obscure cancer that will come out from it.

What are those hacks at the research centre even doing? Instead of spouting this diet shit, why don't they focus on actually figuring out a way to cure the problem?

>#1 things you can do to prevent cancer are not drink alcohol and protect yourself from the sun.
That life would suck! No. Eat lots of vitamin rich C foods. It repairs the damage.

There is a scientific basis. Autophagy.

It's hardly a logical fallacy to infer that fasting has immense health benefits, at least short term. We havent studied long term effects of fasting practices as of yet.