How did a bunch of mountain niggers defeat Russia?
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Atypical warfare is tough to defeat
explain?
See the American revolution for refence.
God you memeflagers are cancerous cunts
Government allowed and promoted gun ownership saying something like "Sell your apartment and buy a gun. You'll get a free one later". Literally 2nd amendment
Russia at that time was like one car explosion away from being mad max country, i am suprised they managed to even send some soldiers at all to grozynj
Unlike the WWII, retarded drunk Yeltsin had literally fought with a zerg rush, unsupplied troops with no coordination.
Putin will rise again.
With equipment from the 70s, or what was left after generals and others stole and sold it away
with the power of the white race
That P*tin's propaganda. Because it was first year ever Russian shops were full filled with goods after recently Soviet deficit
And Chechnya was a Utopia?
The "unsupplied troops and consripts" excuses should only be used in the first battle of Grozny. After that it was full on war with every single military of Russia. From Spetsnaz to Omon was involved and yet Russia still lost. The biggest reason Chechnya won was because of successful raids into Russia like in Buddenovsk
Here are the soldiers.
(Afgan war soldiers for scale)
Russia only because a part of the chechen nation decided to get rid of wahabbis. Russia on its own couldnt have won
Chechnya is basically independent today under Ramzan Kadyrov
The more important question is how did Putin win the second war. He paid off one faction to fight against the other. He still does that to this day. But how in the world did he convince hardline Islamic radicals to also be hardline Russian nationalists is beyond me. Surely it wasn't just a question of money.
nigger when your military might is composed of organized ranks and system and you attempt to fight a civilian base with static and covert fighters then well you can see the disproportionate access to tactics simply waging war covertly... if UN/NATO Kikes worn't a thing then a typical warfare could just be met with disproportionate and indiscriminate slaughter. I,E, you have to commit war crimes to defeat war criminals lmao who'd of thought
those are Chechen soldiers not Russian
They always look so dirty.
Russia was not ready for war in 1996 and accepted the armstice purely to get time to build up military capacity, which took 3 yrs.
are you fucking retarded? Russia bombed Grozny to ruins and literally slaughtered civilians. You think Russia cared about UN/NATO?
>winning
The one on the farthest left with the cigarette could be a Russian mongrel meme he's perfect
Chechens were united in the first war and won
But before the second war there was much banditry from ex soldiers+ there was a growing wahabbi rebellion. Much chechen infighting.
Chechen clans tired of wahabbi islam and more "islamic nationalists" sided with russia agaisnt the wahabbis.
Yep, definitely right on that. It's not immediately evident from the looks.
Russians are truly the purest white race
Basically he approched the war lord that hated russia least and said that he would get control of the republic as long he keeps the rest under control as soon as the fighting was done.
This warlord was Akhmad Kadyrov, the father of todays leader of region
>be this crazy to fight a guerrilla warfare against a super power
>dei alwayz luk so dirti
Neither was Chechnya, Chechen fighters had poor equipment despite what Russian propaganda tells you. Many units even had child soldiers from 10 years old. Russia likes to say that Chechens were these al qaida trained soldiers while the truth is that 95% were ordinary citizens.
Well, if both sides are badly equipped the defenders that knows terrain and enviroment that has the upper hand,
Purity spiral, spinning more than a dreidel
You are forgetting that Russia had more soldiers, air force, artillery and even their general that was in charge had grown up in Chechnya. Plus to top it off they had around 1000 ethnic pro Russian Chechen soldiers fighting for them.
chechens are great warriors
And i am pretty sure that in 1999, Russia had the silent approval of the world community to go into chechen area. At that time the region was a dark terrorist hotspot where the GDP of the region was based on how many people they could kidnap. This combined with possible access to a nuclear arsenal that collapsed after soviet was a recipe for international disaster
Why couldn't more Chechens be like Dudayev?
It's not how it went. Once Chechnya declared independence, Yeltsin didn't care. Soon after, it itself descended into civil war, and Wahhabis got involved, whose aim was to attack all Russian Muslim lands, which they also raided. And Russia intervened at that point.
Kadyrov clan was a principal ally of Russian troops, and opposed most separatist and Wahhabi forces. It's either total occupation and complete suppression, which is what happening in Chinese Xinjang, or Autonomy. And he was an ideal candidate for the latter.
Russian forces were never defeated that’s a common misconception. In fact, they were heading towards the end of this conflict with just a few mountain spots remaining to be cleared. They were withdrawn for political reasons: society was disapproving the war and presidential elections were coming soon.
Tigers?
hahahahha wow Ivan
Yeltsin acted like he didnt care, and that civil war you are talking about was started by Chechen criminals released from Russian prisons(read about Gantemirov) also that civil war had hundreds if not thousands Russian mercenaries. They were paraded in TV and Dudayev said if Yeltsin didnt acknowledge them as his soldiers then he would execute them. Yeltsin said "no we dont know those guys" and you know what Dudayev did? he sent all of the prisoners back home which made him even more popular. THEN Russia invaded, Arabic jihadists came in the 1996 when the war was almost over.
They didn't.
Chechens are like the most submissive peoples in Russia now, they would all die for Putin.
There's nothing left.
They started a peace treaty after the Chechens recaptured Grozny. Instead of another bloody battle they made peace and regrouped.
Yeah, it had nothing to do with the fact that the russian general went renegade (or did he?) and started blasting grozny with the heaviest artillery, almost starting a genocide against about 200.000 civilians, which created a huge refugee flow north.
This, I hate the meme of
>nobody could conquer Afghanistan
KEK! Only the
1-Persians
2-Greeks
3-Mongols
And they all did the same, find the enemy and kill ALL OF THEM, kill their families if necessary. Impose hard punishments to sympathizers, public executions, force labor for minor crimes, total control.
IN OTHER WORDS, USE OF MIGHT WHERE IS MIGHT IS KING.
Also, the Greeks created one the most interesting bastions of European Culture in Asia there, that lasted three centuries even tho it was completely cut of from Europe.
Sounds like a fucking hero to me.
Geurrilla warfare is extremely effective against large occupying forces. This is what the second amendment is necessary- a force armed with light arms can defeat the American military might. They did in Vietnam, they’re doing it in Afghanistan, and we could do it here
Russia bribed not only Kadyrov but also Yamadayev. Kadyrov was no warrior he was only a preacher and a prominent figure in Chechnya. Yamadayevs were however warriors that Russia had more use of than Kadyrov. Ramzan knew this and murdered every single one of the Yamadayev brothers.
Kremlin did not sgree with you. Combined that with federal forces started firing on refugees and killed tons of them (including a Russia one reporter ) it changed the tide of the war and made many people nervous in the Kremlin where Jeltsin was up for reelection
He has his mind set on riding things.
Yea well Kremlin killed Igor Talkov, so Kremlin can fuck off.
Small geurilla forces with a population that supports them have tactical superiority over large occupying armies. The hit an run strategy of geurrila’s is effective because the retreat can move faster than an advance.
And your point exactly? Russia could go on and on in chechnya and clear it for good, like what we saw in the second campaign. The treaty of 1996 was a purely political decision and has nothing to do with defeat.
That was the last days of the soviet kremlin, the jeltsin kremlin was more crooks lead by a drunkard that believed the shock changes in russian economy was the best way to prosperity
If you consider the fact that genocide of a quarter of a million of a russian citizen would look bad before the presidential elections, then yeah i do agree
May Allah accept Emir Khattab as a shahid..
none of those are administrative conquests
saying you own land doesnt mean you control it
You don’t seem to understand what the word “genocide” means.
>Population that supports them
This is a common misconception about the war, many Chechens didnt support Dudayev and his government. That changed when Russia bombed every village they could. If the Chechens hadnt raided Buddenovsk in 1995 then Russia might have won the war.
Khattab and his Arab rats did nothing to help in Chechnya. Infact his presence was what led many Chechens to join Russia in the second war.
Fine, lets call it unintentional millitary collateral damage on a high level then
Even for the russian people it seemed excessive to level a city and put 200k lives at stake to neutralize about 1500 seperatist
Arabs, like Jews, turn everything they touch into shit.
I know Jow Forums is a pretty low IQ place right now but I really like the way this article explains the mythology and typology of the chechens in russian culture.
>foreignpolicy.com
The american revolution is not really the best example...
please shut the fuck up and stop pretending your opinion matters.
Inbred kike
The mountain men were defending their home while Russia was sending in waves of conscripts who were beaten daily by their own superiors. Not that hard to understand desu.
You are either an Arab trying to cause problems in Muslim countries or a Arabophilic Pakistani.
I am literally whiter than you LOL
That's fine I am of distant Siberian ancestry. Türk>Arab.
Its simple. Between 1991 to 1999 Russia was basically a skeleton country where there was people there only to keep the country going on with minimum effort.
The army was in shambles and the russian doctrine was basically the soviet military doctrine with a new insignia attached on the front.
Soviets tactic from WWII was basically to zerg rush the enemies with superior numbers of men, tanks and weapons. This was a tactic adopted for conquering and meeting enemies on the open field.
The idea of special forces was long time percieved as against the ideal of soviet (each worker equal etc) and was rarely used. It was Zhukov who pushed for the idea in the 50s, but was not fully incorporated before the 70s when they started to see how effecient british SAS regiment was.
So then the soviet falls apart and Russia brushes dust of the playbook and send untrained recruits into the battlefield, creating large casualties. In the soviet ers this would have been acceptable, but now russian media and newspapers reports on it snd shows picture of dead kids.
embrace Islam
I embrace Tengri, I did a thread about his greatness once, and there was thunder seconds later, he heard me. Most gods don't do that. Embrace Tengriism.
The Red Army was crippled and disorganized after the collapse of the Soviet Union in 1992. The Chechens kicked them while they were down and it was effective, but not enough to stop Grozniy from getting fucked in round 2.
because the CIA was feeding them intelligence and supplying the Wahhabis like they do everywhere
For you
Come 1999 and Putin is PM after a short time in the FSB chair and starts changing things.
The second chechen war starts in august and is done may 2000, after nine months, three years shorter than the first war. Difference is that Russia this time creates strategic plans that is coherent with ability and scenario. The little founds the military have is used to make the army combat ready.
However, there is one more thing that decides the war. In three months there is several terror attacks in Russia that costs 300 people their lives. There is no opposition to the war now and Putins hardline carries him to Kremlin on the last day of the century.
In the next three months the war is over and Putins popularity is trough the roof and the rest is history
Chechens are simply tired and resting for now from the devastating wars
They will rise again and kill the traitors first
Uniting with Russia's multitude of ethnic groups is the only way to slay the bear.
It's funny that you only look from the Russians perspective
Sure the Russians weren't on top of their game but are you implying that Chechens had some kind as advanced technology and weaponry ? The Chechens literally only had some old soviet aks and rpgs meanwhile Russia had artillery, tanks, aircraft , espionage with satellites and hundreds of thousands of soldiers, meanwhile the Chechens were 10-15 thousand at most and most of them were simple civilians and even children who decided to take up arms to defend their homeland against the plague
same as usa was defeated in vietnam
war was stopped because it lost any sence in 1990s, people had other more important things to care about, like initial capital accumulation that started during the war
BULLSHIT
this is the typical russian/soviet propaganda the ruskies are so good at, just claim that those ebil terrorists are founded by our biggest enemy the americansii so the population as dumb as they are immediately jump on the war train and support the government no matter what.
Russia has a classic "Us against the World" attitude when it comes to just about everything. If anything they are now just a Chinese puppet regime.
Probably because Kremlin had no intention of winning that war in the first place. If only Yeltsin wanted to, he could end the war in a matter of MONTHS, just like Putin did.
Yeltsin just got drunk with his buddies and gave independence to all Soviet republics, even those (the majority) where population voted to stay in the Union during the referendum. People could not understand why they should fight the Chechens who wanted the same exact thing.
This, people always look from the Russian perspective.
they started the war inside country to start crony privatization in the country
thats all, but it went out of control
motivated religious hardy mountain folk fighting in their own land
vs
demoralized, irreligious, alcoholic conscripts fighting in a foreign land
HMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM
No, I refuse to entertain the many mouths of the bear.
conscripts did good
they killed 4x more chechen and foreign soldiers than lost own, the only people to blame here are russian liberal elite
I heard that Russian generals were literally getting paid off to march their soldiers into ambushes. It was a get rich scheme that sacrificed hundreds of soldiers.
"Liberal elite"! Lol your country is controlled by China through Ex-KGB and Kolkhoz operators.
>muh k:d ratio
lol
>Kolkhoz operators
Wow
>"defeat" russia
>run away to europe as a refugee
hmm
>kolkhoz operators
sounds tacticool
china controls nothing
even more, russia is the one of few countries that has growing trade proficit with china lol
mu k;d ratio muh vietnan
muh iraq, muh afganistan lol
Yeah most of the oligarchs were basically them. They're shut down now but the directors and chairmen ran off with the assets.
I love seeing the Russians get butthurt over Chechnya's decisive victory over these Russia. A bunch of "subhuman churkas" turned their Mi-8's into metal coffins, and their amazing T-62 tanks into barbecues.
Hopefully we see a similar situation in Ukraine.
Russians killed mostly Civilians, there are massgraves all around Chechnya still being found with women children and elderly corpses , the Russians killed whomever they wanted then simply claimed those were ebil terrorists to get the statistics the kremel wanted and for the extra rubels
russia counts civilian loses as loes of own population
i was talking only about combat loses, russians have killed 4x more combatants than lost in 1st war.