Trump couldn't have obstructed justice because he's above the law

Bro trump is based I hope he locks muller up

The president cannot pardon himself retard.

SAGE

And yet Trump thinks he can, retard.

They would do so even if collusion was proven and he pardoned himself, even if he was found guilty of selling out american interests to foreign countries to increase his personal wealth they'd cheer him pardoning himself and all the family he's given jobs to.

Sauce?

It's no surprise, Jow Forums openly cheers for tyranny and thugs, it's only an issue if they don't like the people.
It's just disingenuous hypocrisy, nothing special but Jow Forums's defining trait.

thank you for not using a meme flag

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His personal lawyer/Nosferatu is making the rounds, saying Trump can probably pardon himself.
>implying America isn't just a meme at this point

>implying America isn't just a meme at this point
You should probably leave if you hate the country this much

Give up, they don't even care if trump is in the jew's pocket and supports Israel without question anymore.
It's all just excuse to appeal to the normies and cognitive dissonance for the rare moron who buys too much into their own memes and lies.

abcnews.go.com/Politics/president-trump-power-pardon-giuliani/story?id=55611418

>hating what the president has done to debase your country means you hate your country
Nice try, faggot.

Trump can ask a million men to show up with guns and kill everyone in DC. Today. Keep that in mind.

And Jow Forums would love it.

Obama didn't need to state the obvious because everyone on the other side new that the only method of removal is through impeachment. The forefathers foresaw this kind of bullshit of one part of the government and that's why they included both the powers of pardon and the methods of impeachment.

Since you IDIOT LEFTIES won't read the fucking paper that our government is built upon, I'm going to quote it for you

>Pardon Power
>The President...shall have Power to grant Reprieves and
>Pardons for Offences against the United States, except in >Cases of Impeachment.
>ARTICLE II, SECTION 2, CLAUSE 1

>Since you IDIOT LEFTIES won't read the fucking paper that our government is built upon
Oh please, you conservatives read the Constitution about as closely as you read the Bible(not at all). You only care about the parts that you like and conveniently forget about the rest.

I would be there, it's less than an hour's drive.

Nice try faggot, trying to divert the dialogue away from the clearly spelled out realities of the constitution.
What is written in the constitution defeats your entire idiot post.
This shit isn't a surprise, this has been reality for hundreds of years.
You want it changed? Guess what the constitution covers that too.

Are you illiterate? You seem to be able to write but not read. It's very strange.

There is no obstruction of justice without a crime. First, you must show a crime that was then covered up to charge with obstruction of justice.

Trump can pardon himself. This came up "recently"--- back when President Bill Clinton was caught lying under oath. That's a crime called PERJURY, boys and girls. The GOP then impeached him, and the Dems voted against convicting him down party lines. Ever since, the Dems have been out to impeach a GOP for revenge.

Impeachment cannot be pardoned, because impeachment is not an actual crime. it is a political process.

Trump could film himself walking up behind Obama and shooting Obama dead. Then Trump could pardon himself for the murder of Obama and all crimes related to that act (conspiracy, etc). Not a damn thing in the world anyone in the US could do--- except IMPEACH him. That's it. That is how the US constitution works.

Keep in mind, it was the same when Obama was president.

And billy boy clinton lost his law license for 4 years, was fined some money, and had his ability to argue in front of the US Supremes revoked for life. That's because he didn't pardon himself. He took the "slap on the wrist" penalties "to set an example for future presidents" and to keep the Democrat support for Hillary so she could run as NY senator.

US citizens should learn their civics.

It is always okay when it is your team doing the bad stuff. That's how tribalism, or Us versus Them, works.

Incorrect! The president can pardon himself! Just see all the legal opinions and analyses that fell out of the Bill Clinton's bit of trouble over lying under oath and his impeachment.

America is in good hands....

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NO NO NO BAD MESSAGE
THIS DOESN'T FIT THE NARRATIVE
TRUMP CAN'T PARDON HIMSELF

two possibilities from this point: OP will abandon thread so less people see your post, or OP will focus in on "drumpftards think blumpf can just murder people without repercussions!"

yet another retard who doesn't know what obstruction of justice means. why haven't you hung yourself yet you fat little shit?

>There is no obstruction of justice without a crime. First, you must show a crime that was then covered up to charge with obstruction of justice.
That's blatantly false. Stop pretending to know shit.
>Trump can pardon himself.
Really?
>This came up "recently"--- back when President Bill Clinton was caught lying under oath.
Clinton didn't pardon himself, fuckwit.
>Trump could film himself walking up behind Obama and shooting Obama dead. Then Trump could pardon himself for the murder of Obama and all crimes related to that act (conspiracy, etc). Not a damn thing in the world anyone in the US could do--- except IMPEACH him. That's it. That is how the US constitution works.
Except nowhere is that established in the constitution.

>you fat little shit?
Don't talk about the POTUS that way.

Umm. I voted for Obama
those are the constitutional powers of the president

Dershowitz explained this cannot happen, since he can just order an investigation to shut down, and Bush did it.

and/b would hate it

I understand why some people voted for trump but to continue supporting him despite all the evidence of his crimes is beyond the pale

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>Dershowitz
Opinion discarded. Even Dershowitz' closest friends and colleagues think he's lost his mind and his grasp on the legal system. He was on CNN a few weeks ago getting schooled on the law by two of his former students. They left him flustered and stammering.

It's almost like you didn't understand facism or the Trumpenriech was here to stay...its going to happen faggots, Trump is the last POTUS and first King.

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What is the crime you double nigger?

>if Obama had made claims like these...
We'll see what Barry says when he gets charged

You are the one that is lacking in actual knowledge.

To obstruct justice, there has to be a crime .Colluding with the Russians is not an actual crime. If Trump fired every member of the special counsel and ordered every paper and machine they ever touched destroyed, it still is not obstruction of justice. Furthermore, during 1999, the DoJ come out with the opinion that the US president is INCAPABLE of committing the crime "Obstruction of Justice" because he is the supreme official in charge of criminal investigation. Sure, it was a BILL CLINTON DoJ that came up with that legal opinion, but it still stands, as does its "a sitting president of the US can not be indicted."

What you can do is serve him with a subpoena. But he doesn't have to honor it, because he's in charge of the system. That's why the founders gave us impeachment, and made it clear impeachment is a political, not legal process.

Yes. Trump can pardon himself. He can pardon himself for past, current, and even future crimes. The president's power to pardon applies to oneself, and there is no legal counter to it in the US constitution. This was done as a check on the Judicial branch. If a small cabal in the Judicial branch try to seize power by charging anyone they don't like with crimes, the president can literally wave a pen and grant those people pardons, and that includes pardoning himself. Now, he probably won't do that, as it would make a lot of people made and get them agitating Congress to impeach him, but that's the only counter to the US president pardoning himself from crimes--- and impeachment is a POLITICAL recourse, not a legal one.

I didn't say Clinton did pardon himself. But he could have, and then no one could have done anything about it. Clinton didn't do it because he didn't want to burn the last of his bridges in politics, since the Clintons wanted Hillary to start running for national office to finish polishing her resume for her presidential run.

member when Drumff said some shit I made up
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>Trump couldn't have obstructed justice
Because that charge requires that there be charges and a trial in progress. It's not an accurate term to apply here given that there's only an inquiry, and that same inquiry doesn't have the authority to even subpoena anyone or get warrants due to lack evidence relevant to a charge.

Trump’s crime? Probably a clear case of obstruction but nothing more. Don Jr and Jared may be on the hook for serious shit though.

>Trump couldn't have obstructed justice because he's above the law
Nice straw man you've built there. Trump can't obstruct justice in regard to his Constitutional mandates. He could demand Comey stop the Russia investigation and upon his refusal he could have fired him and that isn't obstruction of justice. Unless Trump is shredding documents and or burning a cum stained dress to get rid of evidence he isn't obstructing justice.

If the Dems go after him for exercising duties mandated in the Constitution it'll go to the Supreme Court and Trump will win. So go for it, retards.

>To obstruct justice, there has to be a crime
Obstruction of justice IS a crime, you know-nothing fuckwit. Obstruction doesn’t have an asterisk, it’s just a crime.

>Because that charge requires that there be charges and a trial in progress.
Who told you dipshits this lie?

>ordering the end of an investigation into your own activities isn’t obstructing justice
Wowowowow

Trump is the ultimate authority on this matter under the Constitution. He is the boss of the entire Executive Branch. We voted him into that position to exercise that authority. Doing so is not obstruction because he cannot obstruct his own legal authority. Do you get it yet?

Being in charge of something doesn’t make you that something. Trump is the head of the Executive branch. He is not himself justice. He does not determine what is or is not illegal, because that is the purview of the other 2 branches of government.

US Constitution, Article 2, Section 2, Clause 1
>The President shall be Commander in Chief of the Army and Navy of the United States, and of the Militia of the several States, when called into the actual Service of the United States; he may require the Opinion, in writing, of the principal Officer in each of the executive Departments, upon any Subject relating to the Duties of their respective Offices, and he shall have Power to grant Reprieves and Pardons for Offenses against the United States, except in Cases of Impeachment.
How are y'all posting without having access to the internet?

Trump cannot obstruct the work of his subordinates. He is their boss. He tells them what to do. He is in control because we put him in that position. This is his authority. The only possibility is impeachment, which (as has been pointed out) is not a legal proceeding. He literally cannot obstruct his own constitutionally granted authority. This isn't up for debate. The only reason he allows this farce to continue is the fantastic optics from watching Democrats shoot themselves repeatedly in the foot.

You’re clearly a moron with no ability to discern objective reality from echo chamber wankery.

>There is no obstruction of justice without a crime
Untrue.
stabroeknews.com/2017/news/guyana/01/19/ex-ny-state-senator-jailed-five-years-way-paved-ed-ahmad-sentencing/
"Obstruction" isn't even a specific crime but covers others.

And it's funny you bring up clinton because back when he was resisting an interview over his scandal some of the same conservatives that now argue a president can't be subpoenaed like giuliani claimed that one totally could be.
thinkprogress.org/1998-rudy-giuliani-debunked-2018-rudy-giuliani-on-presidents-evading-subpoenas-5e14e567f6c7/

And finally, as established with the nixon scandal a pardon can be part of a crime.
historynewsnetwork.org/article/168686

...or respond to and refute the actual points like oh but don't go letting reality get in the way of your smug strawman boogieman

>...or respond to and refute the actual points like
you mean like
>You’re clearly a moron with no ability to discern objective reality from echo chamber wankery.
It's all to get him to stick around and make himself look terrible.

>To obstruct justice, there has to be a crime
lol maybe if you repeat it enough time sit'll become true!
>But he doesn't have to honor it
According to modern Giuliani maybe, not past Giuliani or a bunch of others.
>Yes. Trump can pardon himself. He can pardon himself for past, current, and even future crimes
...which can in and of itself be obstruction of justice.

>that same inquiry doesn't have the authority to even subpoena
Multiple people have already been subpoenaed, and the manafort and cohen raid that trump was absolutely booty-chaffed about were both done under warrants.
Go ahead a take a look, or just keep ignoring reality and lying to yourself I guess
duckduckgo.com/?q=mueller subpoena&ia=news

>obama actually broke the law though
it'll be hillarious when king nigger goes to jail

NO ONE is above the law.

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I would. I see it as a corrupt system that will use its rules against you but not against themselves, so everything's fair. Let's play fair.

It was $150 mil and it was Iran's money. Learn what a fact is, dipshit.

I see the left as thugs. Maybe there's a reason all these stipulations exist.

>that isn't obstruction of justice
It could be part of an obstruction of evidence case.
Just because he has the power to fire people doesn't mean he's immune from using that power to obstruct justice. Same deal with the pardon power and dangling pardons.

You should use your internet to look up how the pardon can be part of obstruction of justice like with nixon.

>Trump cannot obstruct the work of his subordinates. He is their boss. He tells them what to do
That argument worked great for nixon! lol

>Yes. Trump can pardon himself. He can pardon himself for past, current, and even future crimes
if that were true nixon wouldnt have had to resign to avoid impeachment. also presidential pardons arent a thing this was covered under the prebious administration. its not a power afforded under the constitution and amendments and isnt legally enforceable . any state can refuse. would jewyork let him pardon himself?

>they still tell themselves that hillary and obama will be in jail aaaaaany day now

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but when ol' oliver and reagan armed iran it was patriotic!

IMPEACHMENT is not the same. It is written that way, it is designed that way. We all agree on this, you cannot pardon impeachment. But Trump is not facing IMPEACHMENT. If Congress wanted to impeach Trump there's nothing he could do about it. However Congress isn't going through the impeachment process, and they won't be going through the impeachment process.

The *most* that Mueller can legally accomplish is finish the investigation and make a report to congress and in that report he can make a recommendation for impeachment based on w/e his findings are. And it wouldn't matter if Trump had pardoned himself or not when it comes to impeachment.

How many times does he have to repeat that impeachment is a political process? Al Green wanted to impeach Trump for being racist for fuck's sake. And his motion got 52 votes. If Nixon had pardoned himself, they would have impeached him in the House for whatever reason and then the Senate would have removed him from office

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