Hello Comrades. This general is for the discussion of Marxism-Leninism, the ideology of revolutionary socialism and communism.
Communism is the next stage of humanity following the capitalist stage and the socialist stage.
What exactly is communism according to Marxist-Leninists:
>Communism is a stage of society in which the productive infrastructure is socially owned, and goods are produced not in order to sell for profit, but in order to meet a social need. >Communism in it's full form is a stateless, classless society that follows the maxim "From each according to their ability, to each according to their need." >To achieve such a society Marxism-Leninism teaches us that we must replace the capitalist state, which is controlled by the capitalist class, by a socialist state, which is controlled by the working class. Then, a period of class struggle follows in which the capitalist class is liquidated by the working class. When the capitalist class has been completely vanquished, there will be only one class, the working class, and eventually the functions of the state will become indistinguishable from the functions of the society as a whole, and the state as such will 'wither away' as Marx said. marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1847/11/prin-com.htm marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1848/communist-manifesto/
Hello gomrades! XDDDD Dis general is for disgussion of margism-lebonnism, da ideology of revolutionary socialism and gommunism.
Gommunism is da next stage of guckery following real society.
Wat exagtly is gommunism according to gommies:
>Gommunism is a stage of guckery in which the produgtive infrustrugture runs away from gommie country, and no goods are produced and beeple starve. XDDDD >Gommunism in full form is obressive, statist society dat follows maxim "gib gib gib!" XDDDD >To achieve gommunism we must replace broduction with murderous obressive rulers liek me, fug working glass beeple. XDDDD Struggle while I liquidate you all lol. When capitalists run away we win and I kill you all. Eventually the functions of state cease and state becomes murderous and indistinguishable from other gommies. Da state withers away liek da people. gommies.gom/fug/ gommies.gom/starve/
>former Soviet economists Would you trust anything an american turncoat who run off to china says w/o evidence?
Yes there are a lot of them, economists that is, but there are also a lot of former card carrying communists who now aspouse nationalist world views, folks like that will suck dicks of whomever is in charge, just so long as they get paid for it, they are no more trustworthy than some talking head funded by Soros.
Juan Lee
So you trust your imagination over an actual expert?
Tyler White
I trust available data over biased opinions and statements provided by people who are paid to provide biased opinions and statements.
Hello gomrades! XDDDD Dis general is for disgussion of margism-lebonnism, da ideology of revolutionary socialism and gommunism.
Gommunism is da next stage of guckery following real society.
Wat exagtly is gommunism according to gommies:
>Gommunism is a stage of guckery in which the produgtive infrustrugture runs away from gommie country, and no goods are produced and beeple starve. XDDDD >Gommunism in full form is obressive, statist society dat follows maxim "gib gib gib!" XDDDD >To achieve gommunism we must replace broduction with murderous obressive rulers liek me, fug working glass beeple. XDDDD Struggle while I liquidate you all lol. When capitalists run away we win and I kill you all. Eventually the functions of state cease and state becomes murderous and indistinguishable from other gommies. Da state withers away liek da people. gommies.gom/fug/ gommies.gom/starve/
Is this a fucking joke? Most of those leaders brought huge improvements of living standards onto their people.
Jack Price
Yeah, for the 40% who were left alive after the genocide
Carson Miller
>Most of those leaders brought huge improvements of living standards onto their people. It's easy to raise the average standard of living when the poor half your population starves
What percentage of the population died under sankara?
Jason Long
to be fair, you have to have a pretty high IQ to appreciate your wealth being redistributed
Hunter Davis
In all fairness, Thomas Sankara was based as far as niggers go.
Sebastian Long
What percentage of the population died in the USSR, China, Cuba, Venezuela, North Korea, Vietnam, Laos, Afghanistan, Cambodia, Yemen, Mongolia, Bulgaria, east Germany, Hungary, Poland, Romania, Slovakia, Czech Republic, Albania, Bosnia, Bulgaria, Croatia, Macedonia, Montenegro, Serbia, Slovenia, Angola, Ethiopia, Somalia, and Mozambique?
Leo Phillips
why does it matter if people die? people die literally all the time
Gavin Gomez
This is the only reason I come to these garbage threads
no, but why doesnit mean anything more when people die under communism as opposed to capitalism?
Easton Cooper
On average? Definetely not so much that it could explain the increase in living standards.
Kayden Edwards
the increase in living standards is because all the people in the lower part of the bell curve starved to death you idiot fuck
Brayden Ramirez
That would have been shown as a massive drop in life expectancy, something which didn’t happen for example under mao. It’s a pity that mentally deficient scum like you is allowed on the internet.
Hudson Nelson
I'd rather have a ham sandwich than 5 loafs of bread
Kevin Murphy
>something which didn’t happen for example under mao. communist governments lie and hide anything that makes them look bad
Jeremiah Allen
Multiple sources confirm that the chinese life expectancy rose under mao. The world bank, cia factbook, etc.
Caleb Butler
>Communism is the next stage of humanity after Capitalism.
Lmao literally no sign of that happening at the moment.
Fuck you, fascism forever
Ryan Perry
I like the idea of communism, everyone working together. But, why don’t we have any success stories. It bares the question, maybe humans can’t be organized in such a way under a communist system? Capitalism has its faults too, mainly vast greed and discrepancies between rich and poor.
Kevin Stewart
Assuming you are genuinely curious rather then just memeing, I can provide a bit of an explanations.
First, and this is largely semantic but important non the less, there are, and never were, any serious political parties trying to build communism. There were a few statements made to that effect by USSR officials after CPSU threw out class struggle and with it marxism out of its constitution, but they are widely regarded as a sign of stupidity of CPSU leadership at the time and decline of the USSR post-Stalin. Communism is not something you can impose, it has to develop organically from socialist society and requires a number of rather lofty pre requisites such as post-scarcity economy and near universal socialism. As is it mostly serves as guiding principle and reminder what the whole marxist thing is about, not a practical, implementable policy/doctrine.
What Marxists, regarding of their disagreements are working toward is socialism, as prerequisite stepping stone to communism. Defenitions of that vary but as a Marxist-Leninist I can talk about the one introduced by Lenin: "State capitalism working for public benefit".
Nearly every country that had a ML party take power had seen a quck and noticeable improvement in living standards and prosperity compared to what was happening there before the ML party showed up. Russian Empire went from a semi-colonial ecnomy not unlike africa with industries owned by foreigners and single digit literacy to a second most industrialised and economically powerful country on earth. China went from being a backwards agrarian colonial economy with an opiate problem to the most Biggest economy on earth. Both had increase in living standards and general well being of the population. The downside of course being that change had to be introduced trough a revolution, which is never pleasant.
If you wish I can elaborate further on failures, their causes and consequences.
Daniel Perez
Do you have stats on the debt management of USSR? I haven’t been able to hund down good sources.
Joshua Baker
I haven't data myself but these article seems closest I can find to a reliable well sourced document on short notice.
Its in Russian but should provide with data and sources you desire if you use google translate.
I have compared data in it with data availible on russian state debt it seems to be accurate, so from it I have every reason to believe that so is USSR data, but as I said, Its short notice so i can give no guarantees.
Additionally its not very far back time wise as soviets were big on secrecy and concealing data, esp where finances are concerned.
See above, I dont give a shit who Illarionov is, I will be honest I have no idea nor have any interest in learning. I was asked for data, data presented in the post looks legit, and beyond that I don't give a shit.
