therationalmale.com
This is the only article that actually understands the Incel problem
Worth a read
therationalmale.com
This is the only article that actually understands the Incel problem
Worth a read
Incel is a forced meme reddit word, memeflag
This, they should be called virgins or neckbeards like they always have been. Incel sounds too much like intel so fails as an insult.
Thats a nice succubus(boy)
Why are redpillers such insufferable whiny bitches instead of the chad alphas they want to emulate.
>The Rational Male
today OP was not a faggot
The guy who wrote TRM/the author of OP's article is actually a psychologist so he speaks from another wheelhouse/context besides "HEY SUP GUYZ REDPILL_1979_BRO HERE". My point is he has more to bring to the proverbial table of this discussion than your average "redpiller".
Well I thought the article was well put thanks for posting it op. The writer should cite the sources for readers who aren't already on the bandwagon though.
The article is on the right track but still oversimplifies the issue.
I've compiled my thoughts on this some time ago, loosely based on a few older screencaps that get reposted around here often.
I guess this is as good as time as any to post it.
To understand the current state of society you need to know how we got to where we are.
This may initially sound like an off-topic history lesson but bare with me - it's important.
There is an interesting phenomenon observable in almost every sexually dimorphic species on the planet, wherein a large percentage of the male population (sometimes even the vast majority of the male population) never gets to reproduce. It is the natural result of the breeding mechanics, as the burden of having offspring lies primarily on the females. They need to procure more food to survive thru pregnancy and raise the offspring, all the while being in a vulnerable state. Meanwhile, the male can just have sex and walk away.
What this means is there are two very different reproductive strategies for males and females. Females are reserved and choose their partners carefully, while males are sexually aggressive and are competing and fighting with each other for access to females. The result of that competition is that a small percentage of the top alpha males (often strongest, biggest or most aggressive) get all the females, while the rest of the male population (beta males) get nothing, and never reproduce. Understanding this is important because humanity used to function like this as well, and i believe it is at the root of many social issues we are now experiencing.
Up until the agricultural revolution (roughly 10,000 BC), humans lived in small tribal communities and monogamy was mostly unheard of. Everyone was fairly promiscuous and when a woman became pregnant, it was not always clear who the father was, and it did not matter. In such tight-knit communities it was the responsibility of all members equally to provide for the child and to protect it. This created a very serious problem, as the setup was horrible for the beta males. They were expected to help feed the tribe's children and risk their lives to defend them, all the while none of those kids were actually theirs. They had no real biological incentive to be productive and useful to the tribe - only to satisfy their own personal needs.
At the same time, most of the female population were either busy with kids or were pregnant (and therefore incapable of serious labor), leaving only a small percentage of the whole tribe actually gathering supplies or doing anything useful. The tribe as a whole was so unproductive that just surviving was a monumental task, and there was no extra time, resources or energy left to invest in developing technology or culture. Humanity was effectively stuck in this state for about 200,000 years (depending on what you consider the first humans to be), with virtually zero progress being made on any front, until evolution finally solved the problem.
Rollo has talked/written about that before. It's the simple "Alpha Fucks/Beta Buck$" principle
What started happening was that when a person met a suitable sexual partner, their brains would get flooded with chemicals, building a strong emotional attachment to that one individual. Nowadays we romanticize a little much, so we might call that "love", but in reality it is an evolutionary adaptation, designed to push people into monogamous relationships. It was a very gradual process, but the end result was a fundamentally different (monogamous) society. The new arrangement wasn't quite as good for the alpha males (they still got to reproduce, just with one female instead of many), but now the rest of the male population gets to reproduce as well - and with their own genetic lineage now on the line, they had a strong and clear incentive to be productive as well, and the whole tribe was far more successful as a result.
So much more successful that they almost immediately stamped out all the local competition that did not adopt the same practice. This is the reason why monogamy is universal to human civilizations around the world and across different cultures - because of the clear advantage it offers to communities that practice it. And it is not only the case with humans either - many animal species that live in interdependent communities have run into the same problem of unproductive beta males, and many of them adopted monogamy for the same reasons.
In humans, the increase in productivity led to the creation of the first cities, where the communities were no longer quite as tightly knit, and the responsibility of providing for the children was now on the biological parents. This proved to be a great thing, as a greater percentage of the father's time, effort and resources was being invested into their own offspring, instead of it being distributed to the entire community - giving them an even stronger incentive to be productive, and a new evolutionary mechanism was now in place, as those who were not productive would watch their genetic lineage die away. Women quickly learned to identify and avoid such men.
This new monogamous culture is what some today might call "the patriarchy". It is a social contract that guarantees mating rights to beta males (who otherwise wouldn't get to reproduce), under the condition that they remain productive and useful to the rest of the society. It is a system designed not to opress women, but to incentivize every male in the society to be as productive as is humanly possible. And it is this highly productive system that finally broke 200,000 years of complete developmental stall and has driven us (in a relatively short period of time) from those disfunctional tribes to the modern, first world civilizations that we all get to enjoy today. Modern civilization is a product of the "patriarchy", and it is dependent on it for it's continued survival, as it is the only system we currently know of that leads to such high levels of productivity among males.
Don't talk about incels here. You'll set off the incels. They don't like people thinking about them because they're incels.
This is the reason why the leading positions in politics, business and almost every other field in modern society are dominated by men - because we live in a culture in which men are effectively blackmailed into being productive, because if we aren't we don't get to reproduce. The same does not apply to women. At the same time, from our recent evolutionary past, men (again, specifically men) are also highly competitive with each other, because up until some 15,000 years ago, if we weren't we wouldn't get to reproduce. Again, the same did not apply to women. And being highly competitive is extremely important for success in any kind of free market system, which nowadays applies to almost everything.
Now, what the left has been doing over the past few decades is systematically tearing down this arrangement, by promoting promiscuity (especially among women), by promoting various forms of sexual deviancy, by instituting socialist economic policies (the worst of which are welfare benefits for single mothers, which effectively once again socialize the cost of having children), and thru various other attacks all aimed at undermining the family unit. Almost every social and economic policy proposed by the modern left in one way or another chips away at the fundamental pillar of civilization that is monogamy.
cant even use a quality pic
rollo i am disappoint
And as of late, people have begun noticing the gradual collapse of this system. The most visible example is the reaction of beta males, who (as the title always goes), are "pulling out of society". The various groups like MGTOW, incels, the so called "herbivore men" of Japan, or even the cliche stereotypes of "fat neckbeards in their mom's basements" are all examples of the exact same thing - beta males saying: "This system doesn't work anymore."
They are correct. It doesn't work because we've created a degenerate culture in which most women are not interested in faithfull, long term relationships - because the entire society is telling them they should be sluts, and be proud of it. Those who do want such relationships are often not interested in having children, for various bullshit reasons, or are already in their late 40's and are physically incapable of having children. Also, governments are taking more and more of men's money and giving it away to other people thru socialist programs instead of it being invested into their potential children. The family court system is so ridiculously broken that a woman can take away your children, your house, all of your property, completely destroy your life, and she can do that on a whim for no real reason at all. This system, where beta males would be useful, and in turn get to have a family and children - doesn't exist anymore. And if that's the case, then why would these men bother being productive? Why would they contribute to a society that offers nothing in return?
Share your thoughts. I could be entirely wrong on this, but it's the closest thing to the truth I've managed to figure out.
>incels
Nobody actually cares about this, libshits/kikes. It's just the lastest meaningless shaming buzzword to label all opposition with since "racist", "fascist", "Nazi", etc. have all been worn out. You're literally making fun of disabled people because you lack a coherent political platform and are looking like shit in the process. What's more, you're doing it because an Armenian in Canada with a fake Faceberg profile ran over some cunts.
Shall we talk about all of the Jewish Democrat mass-shooters from the past few years?
I think you're spot on. People aren't going to recognize it as a real issue though until the number of men checking out of society reaches a point where it becomes a real issue. I don't think there's enough of us right now for people to give a shit. The majority of men worldwide are still having sex and making babies.
>DUDE JUST BE A CHAD LMAO
All PUA are blue-pilled and/or shills.
>Incel
>Neckbeard
>Virgins
We used to call them "Momma's Boys". You see, a "momma's boy" would always run to momma when he stubbed his toe, or didn't get picked to play on the team. Momma would then (proverbially) whip out her tit, and let him suck it until he felt better. These poor souls never were taught the hard way to be tough, or "be a man".
Single mothers raising boys destroyed testosterone. ADD/ADHD medication use and distribution rose significantly when men had to go to work or abandoned their families because women failed to keep them around with simple shit like:
-Not acting like a bitch
-Sucking his dick every now and then
-Backing his play on how to actually raise boys
Granted, some men are just worthless sacks of shit, but a decent woman can keep just about any man around. For all comparisons to dogs there are, men are loyal as a mother fucker when TREATED RIGHT.
>send incels to churches of satan
>rothschild family mass summons succubi in exchange for worthless incel souls
>no more incels
It's not going to happen period because our Jewish governments will merely import more orcs to fuck white women and produce an unending supply of interracial breeding propaganda.
>The majority of men worldwide are still having sex and making babies.
Only about 40% of men reproduce.
>Granted, some men are just worthless sacks of shit, but a decent woman can keep just about any man around
You say that like "decent women" are a common occurrence in 2018 Weimerica
Golden One on the left
>women want us to be more respectful and abolish our "toxic masculinity" to get laid
>"MAN UP MOMMA'S BOY FAGGOT LOL"
So which is it.
>Back in the summer of 2014 I wrote two essays outlining the minds of Incels. The first wasThe Severing and the second wasOwed Sex. I wrote these essays in the wake of the Eliot Rodger shooting and the sudden emergence of the term ‘red pill’ into the popular lexicon. Eliot had a lot of manifesto style youtube videos as well as a fairly detailed written manifesto he published online just prior to his shooting. His frustration was palpable in these videos. Here was a kid who fit the profile of an AFC, an average frustrated chump. AFC is an old school PUA term used to describe average guys who were confused by intersexual dynamics, usually as a result of their life long Blue Pill conditioning. I used to unironically use AFC to describe a guy who I’d probably refer to as a Blue Pill Beta in my work today, but in light of the most recent “Incel attack” in Toronto last month I’m wondering if AFC isn’t a better descriptor for these guys
Da fuck are you talking about, dude? Do you speak English?
Damm. I wasn't going to read all that but i'm glad I did.
Incel problem is caused by the Pareto distribution.
The top 20% of men with looks, money, and fame get 80% of the women while 80% of the men are fighting over the bottom 20% of women.
Feminism and the death of Christianity in the West is to blame. Mass media and birth control caused both.
Men are simply not going to get married to non-virgins. They're not going to expend time, effort, and resources to pursue a woman who has had 20+ men. They're not going to enter an agreement (marriage) that a woman can back out of at any time leaving the male at a significant financial loss.
So you get a group of men who aren't in the top 20% just not pursuing sex or unable to get sex from women because they don't have looks and aren't willing to get married or put in the effort to attract non-virgin women who will divorce them.
That's all. Women have failed their job at being mothers and the gatekeepers for sex. Now, fertility has plummeted.
actually it's over 80%, plenty of studies are cited here:
Good read, it fits very well. You know bout Oswald Spengler's stuff? Civilisation/culture as a superorganism? Fits perfectly. We are soon going to enter winter it seems.
Good read, bro
Men are virgins or incels because they are raised by single mothers. They are taught to be nice guys and to treat girls like princesses but that doesn't get rid of the male desire for sex. So a man is taught to treat a women like a goddesses and hopes he can trade his kindness for sex. Women are also retarded though and say one thing and want another. It's strange and I'm not sure why women do this but I think it's from a lack of understanding their basic instincts. Women want to be dominated but at the same time say they want a 50/50. They want a man who can attract multiple women but virgins/incels are taught by single mothers to commit 100% to a girl. Never commit 100% to a girl, always be prepared to leave. For example, I tell my girlfriend if she gets fat I'll leave her. If a women believes that no matter what she does that you want leave then she'll stop having sex with you, start disrepcting you and you'll end up in a miserable relationship. You need to embrace your masculinity but today's society is trying to teach men that their masculinity is wrong.
>Never commit 100% to a girl, always be prepared to leave.
This guy fucks
true
the Cuckistan state media CBC says "the incel movement". How fucking stupid do they think ppl are. what is that supposed to be? MGTOW?
>The new arrangement wasn't quite as good for the alpha males (they still got to reproduce, just with one female instead of many)
lel such bluepill
alphas can have tens of children or more whom are raised by betacucks
some mailmen got thousands of kids
I mean honestly, we are nearing Caesarism right now, with all the maga people and the trump haters (trump as caesar). Governance morph from the state as a father into a cult of personality.
youtube.com
People, please watch this, summation of the 'Decline of the West' by Spengler.
>Where they go wrong is in their way
I don't his last paragraph. Or rather, I don't get how he could get to the conclusions that incels are going wrong. If reality is intrinsically against these Darwin's dead ends, then why should they not lash out? If their existence is unworthy on both social AND genetic level, what is there to their existence at all? Nothing.
They are nothing, and the universe would rather they didn't exist at all. Well, if someone is dealt card like that, why shouldn't he say fuck you to the universe and kill as many as he can? If you consider this from the incel's point of view, they are perfectly justified in killing anyone and everyone they can.It does require some empathy to do that, though.
What, then, should we do about incels? Preferably we would minimize the number of them through a more traditional society. Then, we could maybe accept that once in a while someone goes crazy and kills a bunch of people. If we want to stop that as well or not go back to traditionality at all, we probably need to learn to predict how an embryo will grow up so that we can abort everyone ugly, everyone under 180 cm and everyone emotional and fragile.
>virgin has a gf
you dont know who incels are do you?
nope. you'd know the history of the word and where it comes from if you weren't underage
Feminism is unironically promoting female incels and it is destroying our country. Between the few and far between examples of hyper sluts, women are hitting their wall sooner and sooner and there are less and less men to pick them up and dust them off. We were so obsessed with threatening our enemy with our incel rage we never realized we were feeling THEIR incel rage.
>Between the few and far between examples of hyper sluts
>few and far between examples
>of hyper sluts
that's a good one
WHG was notoriously monogamous.
Same for EHG who also tracked paternal lineage.
It's a syllabic abbreviation or acronym and not really a meme at all.
yes pareto is at work again that bastard but I dont think its the only thing at play here.
I think we have a bit of behavioral sink as well to take into account.
I think Peterson hit the nail on the head when he said that these people reach a point where being hated becomes preferable to being ignored.
And what I see that incels have in common with society at large is an increased social isolation whose effects can be seen in the lack of differentiating culture between modern globalized nations. to me the cultural differences between nations is thinning out suggesting that as diversity increases social interaction at large decreases and with it the culture.
so people who are hit hardest by pareto distribution hit a cracking point sooner, and harder.
why would women bother treating their husbands right when they already own their assets?
easier to kick out the chumps and enjoy their shekels while getting shagged by a new tyrone e'ryday
even if they dont own their husbands' assets, they still own "their" children and the State's welfare provided to "single mothers"
Shits true. Everyone here might have one or two stories of some uber slut who gives it up in a parking lot or some shit, but that's it. Women are burned by hypergamy and feminism, they are lonely, unfulfilled, and depressed. But they'll fight and die for their jewish education so just slap the irons on and put a baby in them, there, feminism just got cancelled.
women have never had a need for comradery....
>What, then, should we do about incels?
I'm 90% sure the clergy was a containment space for incels of the day. Extract labor, sublimate libido, and create a socially valuable role for them. Granted back in our agricultural days simply being able to harvest grain was a decent enough profession to get a wife so the relative population may have increased between that and medical advances keeping sickly males alive
most people are feeling lonely and isolated.
this should be taken into account when constructing a political platform. and especially so in reigniting the flame of nationalism. or at least keeping it alive and safe from the socialist utopian globalization.
This is true. I was born in 1991 and my generation seemed to be split into women with 1-4 sexual partners and ones with +10 partners.
The 1997 onward generation seems to be even further polarized with 22 year old virgins being uncommon but not unheard of like they were in my birth cohort
Except the brunt of the blame falls to our elites, not some fuzzy notion of some "left". These people want to depopulate the world while also lining their pockets. It's entirely a top down phenomenon.
>this should be taken into account when constructing a political platform
All politicians are part of the 1% that don't give a flying fuck about the rest of us. That is not going to change soon.
This. It was literally invented by reddit. It’s probably the most easy way to tell someone isn’t from here.
>women
>comradery
nope
just like love, loyalty, reason, distance from one's self, honesty, commitment beyond obvious direct self interest, abstract thinking and so on, all those are male abstractions
oh yeah and accountability of course
the elite of society run with an ideology when replacing the old elite.
the old elite and society at large are showing signs of them being replaced by new ones.
who will it be? the further degenerated left.
or the coalitions of the right. and who will soften the blow of civilizational decline.
>I think Peterson hit the nail on the head when he said that these people reach a point where being hated becomes preferable to being ignored.
Nah. It's just fear of rejection. An incel gets rejected a few times, maybe even dozens, if he had a really good self-esteem to begin with, and then it just becomes too hard to try anymore. It's easier to remove yourself from the society than to suffer the embarrassment and shame of being rejected. Female hypergamy might be at fault here, sure, since I find it hard to believe that men in the past would have been rejected as many times as the modern man. Nowadays, you're expected to go through literally hundreds of potential candidates before finding 'the one'. It takes exceptional mental fortitude to handle even a fraction of that, and men are not taught to be strong anymore.
That's a really good point. I wouldn't be surprised if this was actually one of the primary reasons the society and religion evolved to have temples and monasteries.
It's a term that incels made up themselves over 15 years ago
Keep up, kid.
The problem is that there is no such thing as "incels."
It's just a meme, purposefully pushed to further demoralise men. E.g. now any man who doesn't pursue sex successfully will consider himself an incel and be named as such by his peers, thus making his life more and more about women as time goes by, thus making society more gynocentric, furthering ahead its destruction.
And there is no such thing as incels because every male has access to sex workers. Even in my small town we have a brothel around the back of our local off license. And if all else fails, you have rape.
So every incel is actually a volcel because he's actively choosing to not pursue attainable sex by way of sex workers or rape.
I mean, notice how this isn't directed at women who can't get sex, just men. It's just more gynocentric bullshit and it's actually a good sign because it shows that men are beginning to see the forest for the treets and slowly drifting away from women and society.
>This is the only article that actually understands the Incel problem
wrong.
singularity2050.com
and this one's from 2010
Good article op, as an above average Andy, who's put on a bit of beef and lost some confidence, this forced step back i can now see why and how this Incel shit has started.
the weakening or what used to be known as the pussification of men and the radical hairy armpits masculine feminist are both signs of behavioral sink. as well as the hypergamy of females.
>And there is no such thing as incels because every male has access to sex workers.
Do you realize how degrading it is to just be told to buy a hooker when everyone else around you easily has sex daily effortlessly. It makes you feel more worthless than dirt. Buying sex is still at large looked down upon by all of society.
I know Jow Forums is shit, but you Jow Forums faggots really need to fuck off. Sorry you were born fucked up.
Fukken saged.
The problem is your perspective.
All women are hookers. Every woman you come across is interested in two things, your looks and your money.
Prostitutes are open about this as they won't just fuck anyone but have lower standards as they put an emphasis on quantity instead of quality.
Also I never said "just go see a hooker" I'm saying it's an option and that option being there means no men are incels, all are volcels.
And no it's not because you pay for sex every single time you're involved with a woman, the deal is exactly the same you just deceive yourself with romantic delusions and whatever else when it comes to dating and / or relationships. And I mean, you can sprinkle glitter on a shit but at the end of the day it's still a shit.
Think of your typical Jow Forumsack. Most want a traditional family and a traditional wife for whom they can be a traditional provider. Most men can't get that. They are not incels in the sense that they couldn't have sex with a landwhale or a sex worker, but they are still incels in that they can't get the type of sexual interactions they wish. If you don't want to pay for sex, but can't get it any other way either, aren't you really an incel?
If buying sex was destigmatized in society in general i would have no problem paying for sex. As of now you are seen as a lesser human being if you do. Feminism is going to assure that is always the case.
>option being there means no men are incels, all are volcels.
But then nobody would be an incel, and the term would be useless. Since everyone knows the term incel, but nobody has heard of volcel, wouldn't it make sense to just stick with incel, even with a slightly modified definition?
This perspective is lost on redpillers because they believe in free love, i.e. there is nothing more manly than fucking lots of bitches.
Nice try opinion shaping retards
funny how a man paying for sex is wrong according to feminism but a female being payed for sex is empowering and needs to be destigmatized.
Women don't need no man. They got the state to take care of them now.
>As of now you are seen as a lesser human being if you do.
Nobody will find out you do it, though. Typically you send a text message to or call the whore, and you arrange a time. Then you go to her apartment or rent a hotel room and do your business. At least that's how it's in Finland, since we don't have any brothels. If you are scared only of the embarrassment or shame, you shouldn't be, I think.
I mean technically you get a better deal from prostitutes because they're open and honest about what they want, they don't make you jump through hoops, they don't waste your time, lead you on (which women do to all men regardless of status), it's simply wham bam thank you mam.
The thing is though, no man can get that. Even men who seem to have that don't, they have something else entirely. A woman playing a part so they can retain the benefits that man comes with until either she has him on lockdown and / or she doesn't need him anymore. Most tradcon men are leading themselves to destruction. There are exceptions to the rule, but that's the rule.
And no because by definition incel = involuntarily celibate which means no woman will have sex with you. It's not about not being able to have a long-term relationship it's simply about not being able to acquire sexual relief.
Also, I'm from the UK and have lived on council estates for most of my life, you should see some of the absolutely disgusting couples. Even crackheads with no teeth who absolutely stink of piss 24/7 can find a partner, if they can, most Jow Forumsack incels can, they just have to lower their standards. But I wouldn't recommend doing so because women seek the destruction of men in this day and age as a result of societal conditioning. Even mothers with their sons for the most part. Women hate men, they see us as the enemy, even if they appear to be out friends, mothers, lovers or whatever else.
>There is no ‘Black Pill’
>I’ve heard Roosh and a few other commenters in the ‘sphere describe the “Black Pill” – the idea that the social order of the Blue Pill, the Feminine Imperative, or the ‘gynocracy’ if you like, is so rigged against men that they accept their role in it and give up on trying to make themselves or their circumstance better. What these guys are describing is what I’ve referred to in the past as the Abyss. This Abyss is the psychological / existential gulf a man needs to cross when he becomes Red Pill aware. He realizes that the person he carved himself out to be in a Blue Pill conditioned ideal was based on a the same falsehoods. This stage of unplugging has difficulties unique to men at various stages of their lives and according to the decisions they made for themselves throughout their lives in accordance with those Blue Pill ideals. It’s one thing for a young man of 25 to unplug and turn his life around in a Red Pill aware paradigm, but it’s quite another for a man of 70 to become aware and look back on his life, marriage(s), family dysfunction and the long term impact his blindness to the Blue Pill game he was a part of for so long
I liked this part. Thanks for sharing, user.
>get into shape
>take up hobbies
>learn how to communicate with women
The problem with "incels" is they want to have sex with models. They're unrealistic. They make themselves celibate that way.
IIDF please go away and go back to your echo chamber
God damnit. If you're going to screencap text, make it 600 pixels wide MAX. This is impossible to read without horizontal scrolling. This is irritating.
its literally the butthurt pseudointellectual marxist faggots "political correct" farce to call le nazis "virgins" or "neckbeards" with a new buzzword because they cant actually offend the countles edgy marxist virgins and neckbeards females included on the left
Why does everyone think incels have some impossible fucking standards. When the reality is the bottom 20% of women we should be having relationships with still want only the best men and want nothing to do with inferior men.
No that right there my friend is cowardice. Who cares what society thinks. Stop following it's edicts when it has absolutely no concern for your wellbeing or happiness. Fuck society.
I'm not even saying you should pay for sex btw. To me prostitution is degenerate and part of the problem as it contributes to the degradation of relationships and marriage. But my point is that it's there, so it is objective a means to acquire sexual relief.
Well, that may be so but it doesn't make it right. It's not even about habitual behaviour it's simply about shaming men. Even if everyone knew what volcels were they would still go with incel because #1 women get to use it to shame men into submitting to women's wants and needs even more #2 other men get to use it in an effort to make themselves feel better about their servitude to women.
Because it's easy to get laid.
sounds like a logical conclusion, but wouldnt that be fascist? lol
I have always thought that maslow's hierarchy of needs plays an important role of male productivity and creativity. Man finds it difficult to create, invent, or be productive until the "love/belonging" rung on the ladder has been reached. Personally, I've always been artistic, but never focused on my art when I was younger. All I wanted was a good woman so I went out and tried to meet girls for years. I wasn't learning or growing beyond my social pursuits during that time. Now I am on year 5 with my girlfriend and I spend much of my time drawing, 3d modeling, animating and writing. I needed that step to be done before I could focus on my works.
Imagine how many great creations and inventions are missed or lost in time because men with potential couldn't get past the 3rd level of Maslow's hierarchy.
>has a girlfriend who likes him for his personality and shares interests with
Yeah fucking right
Humans can't just lower their standards. If the effort is greater than the reward, people won't do it. If a model is all that an incel would be satisfied with, that's indeed a problem, but you can't just tell them to lower their standards. I'm pretty sure that most incels would be content with thin girls. Unfortunately, only models are thin nowadays, it seems.
Thats your reality. I know its hard to understand different people have different realities and circumstances. Maybe try to put yourself in somebody else's shoes for once instead of pushing your own perspective onto other's thinking it works for everyone.
>2014 was 15 years ago
This. Happened to me on Facebook the other day when I said "if ya girl's posting nudes on social media, she's not ya girl" - some tranny looking female with typical feminist makeup and yellow teeth tagged her friends who tagged some ladyboys and they all tried to debate with me and when they lost they were just like "definitely an incel." They're all just infantile mindless morons. Simple as.
Fuck off, Incel has a set meaning and it's not "virgin" or "neckbeard" or "wizard"
Incel means someone who wants to have sex, but is not able to. The typical period given is 1 year.
Incels are not necessarily virgins, one could have had sex 2 or 3 times during his early 20s then become an ugly and wrinkly balding oldcel in his 30s. Incels who are virgins are called "truecels"
The idea that there is some massive difference between a wizard and a non-virgin incel is fucking retarded. Men need to be having sex CONSTANTLY, the fact that someone had sex once and then never again is inconsequential to one's life at large. They still suffer from the same problems permarvirgins do. Putting benis in bagina once does not magically change your life, you need to have an active sex life.
The average incel is NOT some young neckbeard wearing a WoW t-shirt. It's a married man trapped in a sexless marriage, it's an aging 40 year old divorced man who has lost his looks. It's the sad-looking guy you see on the subway.
Incel =/= 1/10 deformed permavirgin aspie. It's true that only an extreme minority of men are actual virgins at 40. But how many of them do you think have sex constantly, with someone even reasonably attractive, without paying? Studies have already shown that 20% or so of men get 80% of the sex. Reducing it to durr virgin vs not-virgin is fucking retarded. The problem is way worse than you think.
Also incel is from PUAhate, not reddit.
The problem is that they don't start with unrealistic standards, they just do not have a point of reference and they have no experience being social with women. Rejection is part of how you learn but it helps a lot to have talked to girls regularly during your adolescent years. Also after such a long time of fapping to porn and shit fucking ugly women is not even slightly appealling.
Is the point at issue not having sex or not having sex with a hot girl?
Well interestingly enough clerical celibacy is a mostly christian/catholic thing aside from certain buddhism derived religions.
I've got a pet theory that one reason for the abilities of east asians and europeans developing vastly more complex and/or large societies than other civilizations was the presence of celibate mediators. Though this may have had a long term somewhat dysgenic effect by linking education to celibacy
>Incel means someone who wants to have sex, but is not able to. The typical period given is 1 year.
>Incels are not necessarily virgins, one could have had sex 2 or 3 times during his early 20s then become an ugly and wrinkly balding oldcel in his 30s. Incels who are virgins are called "truecels"
So, it's a gender, then.
reads like a college kid's rant on facebook desu
Not having sex. Period. I know i myself am ugly but i can't even get ugly women to so much as look my way.
Get a hooker if you're so desperate for sex, but prepare to be disappointed, it gets overhyped a lot.
Good points. I've read elsewhere about that disconnect of pre-sedentary and post-sedentary values. As you note pre-sedentary or at least pre-developed sedentary and fertility was a virtue while barrenness was a vice. Therefore a promiscuous woman who showed pregnancy was far from a liability, she was almost a guaranteed asset. That's not to say chastity would make someone very unattractive, but promiscuity was not such an albatross.
That changes when men begin to develop property through settling down with agriculture. Now a promiscuous woman is a literal liability. I also appreciate you bringing up that monogamy is universla to human civilization, as so often I hear polyamourous hacks trying to peddle the nonsense that it's not. That may have been true, but it was true upwards of tens of thousands of years ago, when outside of biology human existence was closer to animals than to ours today.
I'd go ahead and save your writeup as it's a pretty well written one, level headed and scholarly and not just "bitches and whores"
I think it's subjective to a large degree. I've only ever had two simple standards, don't repulse me and be a good person. Every relationship I've ever had has been based on the latter for me, I thought the woman I was with was a good person, didn't care so much about her looks and the better of a person she appeared to be the more I found her attractive, and it was only when she showed her true colours that I lost what admiration I had for her and ended up being completely repulsed by her physicality.
I disagree with you about the blame for the eroding of the traditional arrangement being on the left. It is mostly a result of economic and cultural forces. The end, in the Western world, of an agricultural and industrial economy heavily reliant on male labour (therefore needing to incentivize his productivity through marriage and reproduction) and the dawn of a service economy more amenable to women and alphas, and the general prosperity naturally relaxing social norms (as experienced in previous civilizations such as Rome).
That's why I'm pessimist about changing this situation through political action. Only a major societal collapse, which we probably won't see in our lifetimes, could make beta male labour relevant again, and therefore give incentives to the promotion of traditional monogamy.
Canadian media is either completely misguided on this topic or purposefully promoting a false narrative. Both descriptions accurately sum up the current state of journalism, though, so it is no surprise.