What are some pro vegan arguments and how justified are these?

>the most convincing argument for me is that eating meat isn't sustainable
how? we arent running out. let other countries worry about their own food, pleny of beef, chicken, and pork to go around, thats not to say that the farming practices couldn't be reformed to make the treatment of the animals more humane and restrict the use of hormones and filler feed, hormones are used to increase the animals size and meat yield per animal, but its been shown that selective breeding can produce the same results, its feasible to make that transition in a way the consumer wouldn't really be affected

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One should strive to minimize suffering. I don't know if a vegan diet nets less total suffering (shitty farming practices exist even in the production of vegetation, especially onions), but killing animals definitely causes more suffering than not killing them, right?

Which vegan died by 30? Hitler was vegetarian dude.

tons of Buddhists living till their 120s

this a vegan diet kills more animals than a carnivorous one, bugs are killed, several species of rodent are chopped up in combines, birds are shot and poisoned, and deer are shot, vegans kill animals by the truckload per every meal they eat, any argument from vegans concerning animal welfare is bullshit

it causes mental illness

Here's the thing with vegans: They think that if we abstain from meat we wouldn't need to farm animals, and thus, could prevent animal suffering. This, however, is a misunderstanding, as animal parts are used to produce a massive variety of every day essential products. From paint, to concrete, to plastics, cleaning products, and a multitude of industrial chemicals derived from animal parts.

If everyone stopped eating meat today we'd still have to farm billions of animals. The only difference would be that we'd be wasting an incredible amount of food.

No. Men eat meat. It's an attempt to feminize you. Nasim (your pic related) was a transwoman. He was Zoroastrian so they cremated his faggot ass but his removable tiddies (Google it, you get to see him taking them off, they were a silicone vest) melted inside the cylinder. This is what veganism will do to you, eventually make you take a cock and turn into an abomination. Never swallow any pill much less vegan. Go eat some meat then eat some pussy.

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>One should strive to minimize human suffering
ftfy

Cultured meat grown in labs is the final solution to the factory farming problem.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cultured_meat

Best argument because harnessing that insane violent energy would make for an amazing group of pawns in a political movement.

>brazillian monkey doesn't care about the well being of his fellow man
checks out

An arbitrary distinction.

Pro-vegan argument:

More meat for me.

In a shortcut:
>FEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEELINGZ
>It's healthy! [citation never given]
>Comparing animals to humans as if it had any sense.

Livestock eats up all the resources. Water, good soil, crops. And most meat gets thrown away anyway.

The meat industry is the single largest contributor to global warming. It really isn't sustainable.

Except all of that happens in factory farming as well because you need to grow food in order to feed the animals and you have to grow a lot of food in order to feed those animals.

Vegan arguments usually come in a few flavors.

1, The health argument. Vegans will argue that meat, dairy, eggs, etc... are all unhealthy for you and that therefore you should go vegan. Because vegans have a moral agenda they will not argue in an intellectually honest way. They will compare vegan diets to the standard american diet (which is shit) rather than comparing it to, say, the mediterranean diet (which is routinely shown to be far healthier than veganism, and does not require you to take dietary supplements). They will cite studies showing excessive meat consumption is unhealthy, then extrapolate it to say ALL meat consumption is unhealthy. And so on.

2, The moral argument. Animal products obviously have to come from animals, this leads to animals being treated like a resource and in most cases leads to their mistreatment, and since we can get by without animal products their use is therefore immoral. You can refute this with a religious moral system (eg "the bible permits the consumption of animals therefore it's moral") or with a secular moral system (for example "we evolved morals to benefit the human race and giving up animal products is not necessarily beneficial, therefore it is not necessarily 'moral' either").

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Animals have the capacity to suffer so it's wrong to directly cause that suffering

For me it's mostly spiritual, but also makes sense from an environmental standpoint and also health standpoint.

Sustainability is largely a meme to get you to accept a lower quality of life while accepting millions of shitskins. If there is a problem with overpopulation then we should stop immigration, but if the problem is muh environment you can shame good goys into eating bugs and living in cage homes.

>Should we swallow the vegan pill?
No, I only know one lifelong vegan and he has multiple health issues that he suspects are from his veganism(he was raised vegetarian and became vegan as an adult). Veganism helped him lose weight when he was super fat as a vegetarian, and it's easier to stay healthy when you're sticking to a strict diet. He works out 5 days a week, and has to eat a shit ton of plant protien before and after, but he's reasonably healthy and I'm glad his veganism is working for him.

When I asked why he's a vegan, he gave me two reasons, one because he has never tried meat and has no desire to, which I suspect isn't a lie, and secondly, he believes something similar to , that all "sentient" life feels pain. When I bring up all of the insects and small mammals killed tilling fields and storing grain, or why sentience is the baseline of what is ethical and unethical to eat, and which animals are sentient, he goes silent.

Either way, there's nothing wrong with being mindful of animal welfare or having empathy toward animals (this is why seeing a chink fry an animal alive or some nip slice open a living octopus is revolting to most people). And there's nothing wrong with abstaining from eating meat or fasting from meat for health reasons if you personally see benefits from it. But I think think that basing your diet purely on ethical reasons is silly, especially when those ethics are centered around potentially harming yourself for another species out of a sense of guilt, shame, or obligation.

Unnatural and dehumanizing, this is goy food.

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If that is an arbitrary distinction then, as I see it, distinguishing between living and non-living beings is also arbitrar and thus this whole discussion is pointless. But, naturally, each species strives only for its own existence, and also that of those species taking part in vital biological interactions with them. Why should humans be any different? Why should we not do whatever it takes to minimize our own suffering, even at the expense of other living beings?

>Mediterranean diet routinely shown to be far healthier than veganism
Source?

It means we should eat less meat, not that we should all become vegans. Japan is a developed country, with one of the highest life expectancy, almost no fat people, and a balanced diet. Why is it so hard to do the same?

kek. but they do

I will never make this joke either. really not the best way to follow up a girl sticking your cock in her mouth

>Jow Forumstards
>having sex
kek

Japanese eat plenty of meat, in fact, the Japanese that live the longest do so from some compound in red seafood like shrimp and crab.

youtu.be/QIeNim5gGgc

Meat is in many japanese dishes, but most of the time in small quantity, which seems like a good balance to me.

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It’s okay to be vegan for moral reasons.
It is objectively retarded to be vegan for health reason.

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And actually I should have labeled the red circle “vegan food” or had it extending outside the “food” circle into a “poison” circle

actually the brazilian is pointing out that you should strive to minimize specifically the suffering of his fellow man, you racist, dense democrat. I guess only rural retards teach each other reading comprehension, but hillary voting city people find subjects like that too oppressive?

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3, The environmental argument. This often dovetails with point 2 but is distinct from it. Vegans will argue that eating plants leads to a much smaller environmental footprint than eating animal products, and that we have a responsibility to protect the environment; therefore we should be vegan. Assuming we grant that humans can negatively impact our environment, as a general rule, plant based diets do have a much smaller environmental footprint. However this general rule lacks nuance. For example fruits and vegetables that are shipped long distances often have a much greater environmental impact than, say, locally produced grass fed beef would have. Rather than focusing on how to minimize their environmental footprint as much as possible, vegans stick with the general rule that plants are usually better.

4, The emotional appeal. When vegans are done trying to use logic to convince you to adopt their worldview they will try to play to your emotions. Like religious zealots they are completely convinced that their world view is the one TRUE world view, that they are the enlightened ones and that everyone else is an immoral piece of shit. They will do anything they can to 'convert' you. Expect them to show you gore filled slaughter house footage paired with sad music. Expect them to break down and start crying, or to call you a monster, or to tell you that you should die.

There are other vegan arguments but in my experience they are far less common or relevant. For instance, the argument that humans are ACTUALLY herbivores and not omnivores, or the argument that animal products ACTUALLY taste like shit and we've just tricked ourselves into thinking we enjoy eating them.

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awwww did the snowflake trumptard get its feelings hurt?

Stop posting this tranny Jow Forums

seriously, how does one arrive at becoming a democrat without employing reading comprehension?

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Chart basically shows wealthier countries eat more meat.
>in small quantity
Their entire portion sizes are smaller, which is one of the problems of the American diet. When you're a lazy fuck who eats tons of carbs in every meal and sits on their ass all day, you're going to get insulin resistance and get fat, say nothing of the sugar and HFC in every processed food that Amerilards can't stop eating. Meat really isn't the issue.

>how does one arrive at becoming a democrat without employing reading comprehension?
once you comprehend things, you become a republican

I can smell your ashkenazi cunt.

Notice how there are no vegan soldiers and fighters in history? Maybe it’s because they’re basedboy cucks.