Who here on Jow Forums prefers the Corporatist model used in Fascist Italy and the Estado Novo as opposed to the...

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Enjoy being an agrarian shithole.

Wait, are you that one Finnish poster who got bullied in school?

No. Who is he?

Yeah... i would die to know how austria and hungary would look like today if the nazi cowards had not rolled down south with thier bullshit.

Austrofaschismus is a really fascinating thing. Picrelated is Engelbert Dollfuß, Führer of the Ständestaat until Nazicowards shot him dead in private. I recomend you watch a documentary about it (sadly don't know if there are any in english) if you are interested in fascism as real political system. Fascinating stuff.

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Pretty sure i have heard of someone described like that here. I know you are the only Finnish communist that posts here. I know that is true.

Me, absolutely.

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There are multiple finnish commies here.

Maintains hierarchy and class whilst eliminating class warfare.

No, there isn't. On this board to be exact.

Schuschnigg put the /fa/ in fascism.

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Strange because I’ve met a couple. So, where did you hear about finnish communists?

I've have seen you posting here. I saw a Finnish poster before the damned memeflags came back, wishing that the Reds won during the Civil War.

All fascist are /fa/.

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Estado Novo had some nice ideas for the poor. But the censorship and Political Police (PIDE) were the ugly face of Estado Novo. It was a corporatism state rather than a true fascism Besides Salazar was very catholic.

Salazar, in addition to reorganizing finances and reviving the economy, invested in the sectors of basic education (construction of thousands of primary schools), health (construction of a considerable number of hospitals and health centers, then known as "Casas do Povo ") and infrastructure (dams, roads and electricity supply to some Portuguese villages and villages), also brought stability and order to the country, effecting the nationalization of the nation. However, this stability was achieved by prohibiting all political parties (with the exception of the National Union), by repression and sometimes by persecution of the alleged "destabilizers" of the Nation (a designation that applied to both those who defended an organized Opposition and bombers or elements of parties linked to enemy powers of Portugal, suspected of espionage in favor of them), allied to the control of education, the formation of juvenile and paramilitary organizations in favor of the State, the prohibition of strikes and the censorship of certain publications .

How was it not true Fascism? It promoted Catholic values and family values. I can agree that censorship and the secret police is a bit nasty for some, but otherwise, it did very well in my opinion. And if it's about racism, well, racism isn't required in a fascist state.

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Sorry ami but i think i have a rather fitting image to disproove the "all" in your statement. Just look at these cretins. Maybe all non-mutt ones, yes.

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Would be useless today

The economy is too far out of the state's control and too infested with usurers and predatory globalists

Best thing to do would be to just convert communism into fascism like the Chinese

Lemmas

"God, Fatherland, Family."
"Strong State"
"All for the Nation, nothing against the Nation."
"Who is not patriotic, can not be considered Portuguese,"
"Persistently, Stubbornly, we are not too much to continue Portugal."
"We will weep for the dead if the living do not deserve it."
"To drink wine is to give bread to 1 million Portuguese."
"While there is a Portuguese without work and without bread the Revolution continues"
"We have a Doctrine. We are a Force"
"Proudly alone"
"Renewal in continuity"
pt.wikipedia.org/wiki/Estado_Novo_(Portugal) and just use G. translator

The kkk are just white supremacist, they don't give a shit about economics.

Well, Fascism does that, i admit. Democracy obviously is a no-no.

>the KKK
>fascists

You've got to be trolling user.

Also, we did have an American Fascist, William Dudley Pelley. I would say he looked pretty /fa/.

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They are basically white supremacist boomers. Nothing else they really care about.

Bcs unlike Fascism it not had the personalty cult like Italy (Mossollni) neither had a strong party. In fact Uniao Nacional once aquired power almost vanished. Salazar was controlling everything. See the motto: All for the Nation, nothing against the Nation.

I'm in favor of a Hoppean-Pinochet type fascism temporarily in order to make it safer to have a free market afterwards. Problem is powerful people don't want to give up their power, as can be seen looking back at Pinochet himself.

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Traditional Students are /fa/ aswell over here.

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Where did you find that? Is from a book?

I believe the complete opposite.
Hitler economy was great, but his "muh Lebensraum" which cost the lives of millions of whites is just pure autism.
I prefer Mosley in this aspect when he said that all people should be free in their own nations but we have to take care of our people first.
He wasnt against anyone, he was just pro-anglo/european.

Oh come on, when did personality cults become a requirement for Fascism? Salazar was a quiet, soft-spoken man, he was always pretty calm during speeches.

You clearly have no clue what fascism is.

Mosley was basically a Fascist who preached for peace. That's why i love him so much. Hitler's economy did well, but the German autism was what got to him in the end.

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>Yeah... i would die to know how austria
Overrun with Slavshits like yourself.

Also, there is a Czech brand of Fascism. No one knows more about your country than a Czech of course.

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the PRUSSIAN autism that is.
Fucking Prussian militarism is the most degenerated mindset a """"german"""" could hold

When it comes to economics I'm entirely pragmatic. There are corporatist elements that are good because they work and should be worked into a new economic model, but nostalgic-like views should generally be tempered by practical realities, and ultimately the corporatist models of most Fascist/Ultranationalist countries, while more pragmatic than most economic systems, still had flaws.
When you let ideology stand in the way of functional perfection, efficiency suffers.
The reason I like National Socialist economics is simply because it was the least dogmatic of the Ultranationalist countries' economic systems.

I do, and I also know that it is intended to pick a country up out of an economic and/or social low. The reason individualism isn't viable in the West is because we've allowed for too much migration from ethnically different peoples and have allowed the Jews to manipulate government to assist them in using individualism to harm the white race when all other voting demographics vote as a tribe and against white interest. With Hoppe's physical removal theory, temporary fascism/martial law to purge the rats and roaches should make an individualist free market like early America viable.

Yea, I've been a tankie my entire life until I listened to his speeches and I couldnt disagree with anything he said.
Especially the one where he talks about the (((international corporations))) wage-enslaving some third world countries and ruining western economies by that.

If you read Hanna Arendt about totalitarian systems you can understand the difference:
Nazism - Only happened in Germany
Communism - Only in happened in URSS
Fascism - Only happened in Italy

See more here, it is a nice read and will answer your questions: pimentaeouro.blogs.sapo.pt/salazar-foi-fascista-238571

Are you angry to be born the worst type of german there is? Go suck a picklhaube, dreckata Lutheraner.

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>His identity is based from Americans pushing Austria after WW2
Stay mad faggot and go back to the east you faggot Slav

slavs are better humans than you

Pic reads
>let the wellbeing of the motherland be the supreme law
From my experience there arent many czech fascists, even fucking monarchists are more widespread here (we dont even have a czech heir to the throne).
>tfw have to vote commies because they are the closest to what I believe

No, you don't, and it becomes most stark when you claim fascism to be temporary or a momentary fix-all. Fascism is eternal and intends to reign for as long as it can, it's not a gateway for dirty fucking capitalism. You speak of fascism as if you get all your information from Jow Forums and Alt Right circles. Read some Gentile, Mussolini, or heck even Sorel. Fascism isn't just a system of government, it's almost religious in its worldview. It's all philosophical.

>Salazar was a quiet, soft-spoken man, he was always pretty calm during speeches.

True. That is bcs of his background. Unlike Mussolini or Franco who come to power via force, he was a Professor who was called to put order in the Economy . I'm not Salazarista , but I tend to agree that if he left power around 1945-50 he would be considered one of the best leaders ever. Then with the Colonial War, PIDE and repression from the 60's onward he end up tarnishing his own legacy.

>no Evola

strasserism is interesting too

Well, the thing is, Fascism is always different in other countries. British Fascism (Mosley_ likely can't work in someplace like Spain, and Spanish Fascism (Falangism) likely couldn't be suitable in Germany. Same with Italian Fascism (Which is basically kind of like the mother of all these different ideologies) Salazar then developed his own form of Clerical Fascism, since he did love Catholicism. Like again, Fascism isn't inherently racist, even Mussolini wasn't even originally that racist, but it just kinda grew on him. The article you posted wasn't a bad read, but i feel like it just says "Portugal had some different values from Italy and Germany so it isn't fascist".
>voting for commies
Not worth it man, they could preach the expulsion of jews and foreigners and i still would never vote for them.

Evola was strongly critical of fascism and heavily disappointed with Italian fascism.

imagine a system combining switzerlands canton model with a strasser-esque economic system

granted, im more of a neoliberal when it comes to economics but im interested in other forms of organising the economy

I know you are Portuguese so you probably know better than i do, but in my opinion, the Colonial Wars were completely justified. Portuguese people lived in Angola and the other African colonies. What do you think would have happened to the "oppressors" if Salazar hadn't done anything? On the other hand, i won't try to justify secret police, but i will say that sometimes, it is a necessary evil. I know maybe you don't feel the same way though. Can i ask, what's your political position?

One of the best, accurate descriptions of the Estado Novo I've ever read. Well done.

me

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It's just a system. Natsoc was more like a religion, because the Germans incorporated all their "connection to ancestors" and German superiority. It's all about race and people and only doing things that are good for race and people, as Hitler stated on page 214 of Mein Kampf, saying "For me and all true National Socialists there is but one doctrine: people and fatherland." Hitler &Co. wanted to have their glorious German Empire to last thousands of years and all that.
If you look at how Pinochet came to do what he did, it's like Caesar in that he was presented with many opportunities to take control but refused many times at first. When Pinochet and the other Chilean generals launched their coup, it was because Pinochet was finally convinced that Allende had gone too far. He is reported to have been asked what he was going to do about it, betray his president or stop his country from delving further into socialism, and responded by slamming his fist on the table and yelling "I am NOT a socialist!" Then started planning the coup soon after. His model at least was temporary fascism to make way for capitalism in a better environment, he just got high off his power, like Caesar.

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They are the only good choice, apart from them we have:
>ČSSD - social democrats
>Piráti - junkies, antifa and degenerates
>ODS - neocons (stole pension money from communism times to which people were saving their entire lives and now pensions are low as fuck)
>TOP 09 - liberal right wingers (first black in the parliament btw)
>ANO - an ex-STB (commie secret police) agent turned billionaire because of privatisation
>SPD - right wing meme party lead by a Japanese guy
>STAN - spacefiller

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>It's just a system.
It's not just a system you fucking tool.

You seem an educated guy so try this:

Not much politic, but if you want to understand this period a bit, read "According to Pereira". I suspect you might find an English version. There is also a film from the same book: "According to Pereira ", but i never seen it so do not know if it is good or not

Would love to recommend you other things, but is spite of we had near 50 years of Salazarismo and +-15 years of Colonial War, I do not tink there is a lot in English . Pity bcs it is an interesting period of world History from 1926 to 1974 with the Colonial War from 1961 to 1974 and it is not studied outside Portugal.

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This being said, I love to learn. What do you recommend I read?

You didn't refute anything I said. At all.

Didn’t you guys model your system after Italy?

I know I didn't, because why bother when you have the whole thing fundamentally wrong to begin with? It pisses me off when Jow Forumsacks throw fascism around like it's just some ebin ultranationalist dictatorship with cool uniforms.

>Manifesto of the Fascist Intellectuals (1925), Giovanni Gentile
>The Doctrine of Fascism (1932), Benito Mussolini
>Fascism--100 Questions Asked And Answered (1936), Oswald Mosley
For starters. For further examination of the creed of its values like inequality, hierarchy and organicism, look into influences like Sorel, Nietzsche, Carlyle, Hobbes and Evola.

Don't you at least have any underground movements like Italy? Trust me, they do that just to appeal to the young, nationalist people.
I guess i will check it out. I am just trying to say that some qualities, like racism, leaders who deliver loud speeches, and anti-religousness, isn't required in a Fascist state. One Romanian Fascist, who lived outside of Romania when it was communist, was considered an apologist of Salazar's rule.

Those are just the newcomers, they eventually learn things and become more serious of their beliefs.

based ameribro posting salazar pics

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>not even mentioning Codreanu and the Iron Guard

While Britain had Mosley, Germany had Hitler, Italy had Mussolini, Romania was left to the guidance of Corneliu Zelea Codreanu, or how he was known amongst his fellow friends and brother-of-crosses "The Captain". What's truly interesting about this type of fascism, if you can really call it fascism to begin with, is the strongly mystical influence of Codreanu himself towards his followers and the fact that the entire movement advocated not for any material gains, but for spiritual redemption. The Iron Guard was heavily influenced around the idea of forming "a new man", "a righteous man", "a man of God".

>German historian and philosopher Ernst Nolte has written that it “must not only be declared, but also plainly appears, to be the most interesting and the most complex fascist movement, because like geological formations of superimposed layers it presents at once both prefascist and radically fascist characteristics.”2 What made Codreanu especially different was that he became a sort of religious mystic, and though the Legion had the same general political goals as other fascist movements, its final aims were spiritual and transcendental—“The spiritual resurrection! The resurrection of nations in the name of Jesus Christ!” as he put it.3

Also what Evola wrote about Codreanu, after a short visit he undertook in the 20s, where he visited the Captain in his early life, when he was but a mere Law student, fighting communists and jews on the streets of Iasi, the capital city of Moldova.

>counter-currents.com/2013/09/the-tragedy-of-the-romanian-iron-guard-2/

it's a short read and it gives you a hidden perspective of the entire situation that transpired back then in Romania, plus the real ideology behind the Iron Guard.

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Have another one.

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>It is not a question of new parties or formulae, but of a New Man. It is this view that gave rise to Codreanu’s legionarism, which means, above all, a school of life, the locus for the formation of a new type, in which are found “developed at the maximum, all the possibilities of human greatness which were sown by God in the blood of our race.”

>A special and characteristic aspect of the Romanian legionary movement is that, in its actual construction in the form of ‘nests,’ its main preoccupation was to create a new common form of life, connected with strict ethical and religious criteria. The fact that Codreanu had imposed the discipline of the fast two days a week could thus come as a surprise to many people, and it is also interesting to know his thoughts on the power of prayer, thoughts which would seem to be appropriate to a person belonging to a religious order rather than to a political leader: “Prayer is decisive element of victory. Wars are won by those who have managed to attract from elsewhere, from the skies, the mysterious forces of the invisible world and to secure their support. These mysterious forces are the souls of the dead, the souls of our ancestors, who once were, like us, linked to our clods, to our furrows, who died for the defense of this land and are still linked today to it by the memory of their lives and by us, their sons, their grandsons, their great grandsons. But, above the souls of the dead, there is God. Once these forces are attracted, they are of considerable power, they defend us, they give us courage, will, all the elements necessary to victory and which make us win. They bring in panic and terror among the enemies, paralyze their activity. In the last analysis, victories do not depend only on material preparation, on the material forces of the belligerents, but on their power to secure the support of spiritual forces."

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Sorry, i know who he is, so don't worry. I never really learned much when it came to his beliefs on Economics. Was he a Corporatist as well?

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About the Colonial wars: Portuguese people lived in Angola and the other African colonies. And many platoons of Portuguese soldiers were composed of black (native) guys

I worked once with a guy who made the Colonial war who told me several stories. He was in the Commandos , he was the only LT who went in the bush with a platoon fully composed of blacks. Once they crossed some mullatos and the black told him "You are white, and I am black. That guy (the mulatto) is the colour of shit."

Other one. Most of the natives did see themselves as Portuguese. They used to say :"1st I am ; then I am Portuguese. Last I am Angolano."

Some say the colonial war was pretty much won by 1974, but i have my doubts. You can read more here
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Portuguese_Colonial_War
but i ~believe this one with G.Trans. will be better:
pt.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guerra_Colonial_Portuguesa

Believe it or not, he was a staunch Monarchist till the end, believing that the only system that can promote a suitable hierarchy for the system is that of the Monarch, albeit one that will have sympathies to the movement. However, he never advocated for a Revolution, as he was shocked at what happened in Tsarist Russia and he witnessed the very men that were crumbled by the communists after the takeover (refugees in Moldova, alongside kikes that took over the economical system after they left USSR for Romania).

>I reject republicanism. At the head of races, above the elite, there is Monarchy. Not all monarchs have been good. Monarchy, however, has always been good. The individual monarch must not be confused with the institution of Monarchy, the conclusions drawn from this would be false. There can be bad priests, but this does not mean that we can draw the conclusion that the Church must be ended and God stoned to death. There are certainly weak or bad monarchs, but we cannot renounce Monarchy. The race has a line of life. A monarch is great and good, when he stays on this line; he is petty and bad, to the extent that he moves away from this racial line of life or he opposes it. There are many lines by which a monarch can be tempted. He must set them all aside and follow the line of the race. Here is the law of Monarchy.

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i prefer free market capitalism and anyone who has a different opinion from mine is either a commie or a jew (or both)

>the people look clean
>the street looks clean
>the city looks clean

I mean just take a look at them, how do we go back
pure evil has won, how do we take back what we have lost ?

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I don't know the difference. Teach me.

Are you and that Romanian poster who posts under a name.
Well, people were Racist back then, it was pretty much a normal thing. I am aware of the Loyalists as well, but i do imagine most were conscripted, no?
Too bad the Romanian king was a bastard who had Codreanu killed. Romania deserved a better Monarch. I do agree that a good Monarchy, and a good Fascist government, can go together, though.

National Socialism is basically German Fascism, and also the economic system. Compared to Corporatism, it is very different, and felt more liberal, with 40 hour work days and such. Corporatism is more traditional, and sees that the working classes can't be simply erased, but instead should cooperate with each other.
It was a different time back then.

Awake, arise from slumber. Soon comes the daybreak of rebirth. We'll lift again the trampled banners and our marching legions will shake the earth.

It has been tried and worked great untill the war.

Salazar & Coca-Cola:

It is said that one day an American official had tried to bribe him, convinced that in this way the goal would be achieved. Of documented there is only what Salazar wrote to A. Makinsky, the head of the multinational for Europe. Salazar clearly explained the reasons for his refusal: "I know perfectly well that you have nothing to do with wine or fruit juices, and it is for another reason that - despite the excellent relations we maintain, you and I, and date back to when I represented the Rockefeller Foundation and did not even dream of being part of Coca-Cola - I have always been opposed to its appearance on the Portuguese market. This is what I could call our moral landscape. Portugal is a conservative, paternalistic country and - God be praised - delayed, a term I consider more flattering than pejorative. You risk introducing in Portugal what I detest above all else, that is, modernism and the famous efficiency. I shudder at the idea of your lorries traveling at full speed, the streets of our old cities, accelerating, as they pass, the rhythm of our secular habits. "

never posted under a name here, doesn't seem right, it takes away the whole purpose of the interaction between users. And yea, King Carol II was an idiot that ruined the country for good by trying to play both sides until the end by not letting the Iron Guard govern, even thought it was the largest party in the country by far (reaching over 50% at its maximum peak in the 30s). To think that we might have had a possibility of arming ourselves up in a proper way as to face the commies, if the Iron Guard took power in the early 30s. It really makes me sad to think about the possibilities and the fact that this country had a chance at greatness, yet was reduced to rubles in the end.

But that's the tragedy of the entire story, to be completely honest to you. Like Mosley, Codreanu chose the path of martyrdom and inaction, thinking that the system will crumble from the inside because of the pressure exerted by the people. They completely ignored the ability of the system to quickly retaliate against the threat, which in this case was Codreanu himself. After he was killed, the Iron Guard lost not only its leader, but its saint. I know this sounds corny, but people back then literally saw Codreanu as an embodiment of a Saint sent to Earth by God himself. When he was killed, the spark was extinguished forever.

And here we are now, wondering "what if".

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Satire?

>I prefer Mosley in this aspect when he said that all people should be free in their own nations but we have to take care of our people first. He wasnt against anyone, he was just pro-anglo/european.

That is one of the reasons why I'm a fan of Oswald Mosley.

His love for his nation, and his compassion for other peoples can be found here.

youtube.com/watch?v=Isq6YltjRRU

Jow Forums on the other hand seems to hate anyone who isn't white.

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there is no we, europeans are 6% of the world population, and they are all under control
in france millions of french watch and care about football even though none of the players are even white
they are worse than cattle, look at consumerism, look at the marxists in academia

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Fascism: Total Society By H R Morgan is a good (and short) intro to fascist philosophy.

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You aren't the same person? Good, now i now there are many Romanian anons that like the Iron Guard. King Carol sold out the country, and also allowed Antonescu, who was at least a decent person, to die at the hands of the Soviets.

Did he remove the stickers from the bottle like Castro?

sad fact: when put in front of the execution squad, Marshall Antonescu refused to be blinded, saluted the infantry squad in front of him (composed out of Romanian soldiers loyal to the communists) and said the following words: "And you, my ungrateful nation, not even my ashes will you receive". A man that served his country in two world wars with distinction, killed by his very own people in the end.

This entire nation's collective past is engulfed in betrayal and martyrdom, it's a plague that will follow us till the end.

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