Should they go back?

Every once in a while works of art stolen by the Nazis during WW2 crop up at auctions and if someone like Poland protests the Germans just laugh and say the statute of limitations ran out decades ago. Can't see why the Brits shouldn't do the same.

*Hitler being into art himself, the Germans were exceptionally efficient and well prepared for art robbery. They had good funding throughout the 1930s and extensively catalogued art collections (including private ones) in neighbouring countries, so once the war started you were likely to find them going straight to the museums (and private homes) knowing exactly what to look for and taking it, pretty much the moment your area was occupied and the fighting died down a bit.

No, modern Greeks are not classical Greeks and have no claim to them. They are like white people who are 1/64 Cherokee claiming to be officially part of a tribe.

They belong to whomstever treats them with dignity and respect as historical artifacts, ie. Britain.

Further, Corbyn is a self-avowed socialist who should eschew notions like inheritance. Yet he makes this an issue. Why? Most likely somewhere between scoring points with people who think Britain should be punished for being an evil colonial empire and cowing to threats by "Greece".

Fuck off.
If you applied this logic to all artefacts you'd pretty much empty the museum

>treats them with dignity and respect as historical artifacts, ie. Britain.

news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/543077.stm

>The British Museum has admitted that the controversial Elgin Marbles were damaged by "heavy handed" cleaning 60 years ago.
>And it has said an attempt to cover up the damage to the marbles in the 1930s was "a scandal".
>The museum says the cover-up in the 1930s should not affect whether the marbles go back to Greece.

>If I have to give back the things I stole I might end up poor

ok

Yes, absolutely.

Implying Greeks are too retarded to preserve them is borderline racism, when they have protected the Parthenon. Not to mention the Brits actually damaged most of the artifacts beyond repair.

>stole
The term is 'appropriated'

>borderline racism

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this is only true for the UK and France

>protected the Parthenon
>literally in ruins

Then all other museums are shit.
Besides, those artefacts were either saved by the French/English or gained by right of conquest.
Should the US give back all its land to the native Americans?

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ysma.gr/en/conservation-works

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>arms and heads fall off, not our fault
>removing dirt, damage
?

Looks fine to me, it still has all the detail. I'd like to see proof of this alleged damage with before and after pics. Also it has been decades and the fact everyone is making a huge hoo lala over it this only means Britain has even more of a vested interest in taking tender care of Earl Thomas III of Elgin's marbles.

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No
Fuck gayr**Ks!
Why the fuck should gayr**K subhumans have them, they should go to Turkey over gr*ase

>Greece takes good care of its classical heri...

They're not Greeks of yore, they're retarded subhumans who allowed t*Rkoids to conquer them and pound them up the ass for centuries. Sorry, I'm not shedding a tear over this.

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>all ohter museums are shit because they display stuff created in those countries instead of stolen ones

>sure we damaged it and lied about it for decades, but that's decades ago!

Yes
Pretty lacking

>During the Greek War of Independence the Acropolis was twice besieged, by the Greeks in 1821-22, and by the Turks in 1826-27. During the second siege the Turkish garrison of the Acropolis began to break the surviving walls of the cella to get at the lead shielding of the clamps and melt it down for bullets. The Greek besiegers sent a message offering to give them bullets if they would leave the Parthenon undamaged.

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How dare people in this thread claim something that they haven't build as their own. It's not really the first time the British pseudo grandeur has considered things they do not own as theirs. Imperialism *coughs*. You simply cannot upfront steal things from a region that have stood there for eons and not return them when the conditions have clearly met and the facilities have been created. i would claim that is national heritage (which is and that makes you upfront insulting a whole nation that fought for their independence ) but it's not the only case. These things belong to Greece because they were bulild there. Do not dare to keep what you did not create.

What a nationalist asshole, the people in Britain are just as Greek as Greeks, we are all one.

No. London is a global city and the British have a great record of preserving antiquities in a sustainable way which also allows them to be exhibited to the whole world. They, and other antiquities, are part of the legacy of humanity and a larger portion of humanity will have access if they stay in London.

>/his/ pretends to be scholarly
>Low brow shitstain mutts think they can reduce the standing of Greeks with Varg tier purity memes when all scientific studies show Greeks have very significant continuity, while no scholarly source can claim the opposite.

They have too much to care for. A lot of the artifacts that don't make it as a tourist attraction item, get ignored and left in very bad conditions.

Yes they should go back to Greece. And Anglos should stop Culturally appropriating Roman and Greek Culture

(and every other culture for that matter...)

Egypt gets the treasures back if they give back the suez canal

But the UK left the EU

So that museum of oriental artefacts in Corfu should be packed up and sent back to China and Japan as well?

Honestly, they are probably safer staying in Britain, even though it belongs to the Greeks.

The Greeks can't even manage their economy and political system properly, so in the interest of world history, it's actually better if they don't get the marbles back.

>even though it belongs to the Greeks.
explain to me why you think the marbles belong to the Greeks. The marbles were purchased legally by Lord Elgin with permission from the Ottoman authorities. Like it or not, at the time Athens was part of the Ottoman empire. They weren't stolen, they weren't looted. If the citizens of Athens at the time didn't care enough to protest (and they didn't, they mostly used the Parthenon as a source of cheap marble), then perhaps modern Greeks should be more angry with their ancestors than the British.

Something being legal doesn't make it right.

Greek lives don't matter.
They should just be smashed
Greek """"""art""""" is worthless

Idk it belongs due to something called heritage? No? Right..

Sorry Anthony Eden the empire was already lost when you fought the Nazis.

Can he just give the internet back to the USA and fuck off to obscurity trying to campaign without it?

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You fucking faggot brits didn't fucking do anything. You dragged Greece into WWII , we repulsed Italy on our own, and when Germany attacked you tucked your tails between your legs and left. Even then after the war, you decided you hadn't wrecked Greece enough and were the direct cause for the Greek civil war between communists and nationalists, by occupying Greece.

I fucking hate your false sense of superiority so much, you are nothing but thieves and colonisers. I hope India and Egypt get back what is theirs as well.

U see this brits?
This is why we hate gr**ks
Look at this subhuman, a perfect example of a reek.
Always blaming others for why his country is a shithole.
>muh persians
>muh romans
>muh arabs
>muh bulgurs
>muh catholics
>muh crusaders
>muh Turks
>muh germans
>muh brits
>muh EU
>WE WUZ SCIENTISTS(3000 years ago)

It wasn't a legal purchase

>The alleged existence of another earlier 'firman', the one which was lost in a mysterious way and never reached Athens, is contradicted by the surviving document. An earlier order, especially one by the sultan, should have been referred to in the document we have. This is the bureaucratic Ottoman custom evident in countless Ottoman documents. If there was such a firman, the editor of the document concerned would be quick to mention it in order to validate his own order. But there is no reference to any earlier document, for the simple reason that there was not one.

>Also doubtful is the existence of the documents which, according to Cook, Elgin acquired from the Turkish government when he returned from his visit to Greece in the Summer of 1802, and which approved of all that the voivode and the dizdar did in Athens to help Lusieri, working on behalf of Elgin. It is very strange and unusual for the 'Turkish government' (there was not a government in the modern sense of the word, i.e. with a prime minister and ministers with responsibilities, at the time of the Ottoman Empire) to ratify years later acts of previous officials -- Seyid Abdullah Pasha had already died -- that were not legally sanctioned and their legality outside the Ottoman Empire could in future be disputed.

parthenon.newmentor.net/illegal.htm

If the brits didnt step in in 1823 your lot would probably still have been under Ottoman Rule for almost another century and then under Soviet rule for another 50

Sorry, I only communicate with humans and not roaches. Please try again, but with using human language this time.

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During the Arab Spring,some mummies were destroyed when protestors attempted to sack the Cairo museum.

Absolutely, while they're at it give Egypt back its artifacts. Britain can bitch and moan all they want, but trying to hold onto the cultural artifacts of another country because you can't think of anything significant enough to draw a crowd says something terrible about your people.

Eh fuck em, gives me something to look at when I visit that shit pit London

No. As so many on /his/ point out, we live in a multi-culti world now. Stop being so nationalistic and let others have your culture too.

The death mask of Tutankhamun was broken in an Egyptian museum by Egyptian museum workers who then used super glue to try and fix it

edition.cnn.com/2016/01/24/africa/king-tut-broken-mask-charges/index.html

one more reason that communist must not under any circumstance be PM

underrated post

They weren't stolen, Lord Elgin was given consent by the Ottomans who were the rulers of Greece at the time.

based

There's no legal or other reason to keep the marbles in the british museum at this point, one of the top museums in the world was literally built just to house them. Not to mention that the "superior" british preservation damaged them as well.

this You don't get to claim ownership of anything while wearing shoes on your hands and allowing the local pasha to bugger your son.

I agree with the Greek, Anglos are scum.

>admitting British museums would be empty without stolen items
Good job fucktard

enjoy paying their denbts, Pierre

Enjoy paying for Muhammad's third gastric bypass

Not really it'll probably end up in the same situation as Norway. Eternally cucked

UK is even more cucked than the EU.

without the british museum those collections would be rotting, stolen and lost to history, or abused and destroyed

One of the main reasons humans visit roachland is because of Greek art

I'd like to see Greece try and take them

If the Brits didn't step in during the Crimean War the Ott*man """empire""" would collapse 80 years sooner and Constantinople would be free

Don't worry, we'll buy them from Sadiq Khan in exchange for allowing more Pakis through the border on the way to the UK

Let's be honest, he is gonna let northern ireland, gibraltar and the falklands go, right?

>British politicians

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Sadiq Khan can't sell them

They don't want to leave though.

Heh, I like the fact you're genuinely angry, it amuses me

sh*talians should give the tetrarchs and horses of st mark to greece as well

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That's Greece though, not Egypt.

>Should the US give back all its land to the native Americans?
Yes.

>Consider it a small price for the liberation of Greece.
user, the Parthenon's marbles were bought from the neborn Greek state in the 19th century, supported only by volunteers because other European states were afraid that the Ottomans were going to collapse right there and cause war between Russia and Austria-Hungary, when the fuck does the liberation of Greece from the Axis come into this?

It's a portion of Greece's cultural heritage, and for that reason I am comfortable with the thought of returning them. Britain fronts as this benevolent multicultural society that's ever so sensitive, but turns around and does shit like this. Guess that's just the Anglo for you.
However, I am much more skeptical of returning antiquities to Egypt. These things are priceless, which is exactly why I want to see the Elgin marbles returned. But they're also irreplaceable. Egypt is hardly a politically stable country, and they've seen artifacts destroyed recently in raids on museums.
I'd want a lot more stability in Egypt before I'd consider setting invaluable artifacts there.

>it still has all the detail
it doesn't. that shit was literally lifelike before the brits fucked them up

the difference is China and Japan consented to have these artifacts displayed in Greece, and if they ask them back Greece won't go on about how it's global heritage and how they'll take better care of them

>were purchased legally

>hey dude can i have all those statues please
>no fuck off
>hey looks like you dropped your money
>oh shit you're right, what can i do for you to repay this favor?
>can i have all the statues please
>i can't really do that, but here's a permit that allows you to take small samples from the temple
>nice thanks
>*rips away half the sculptures*
>*drops and breaks a ton in the process*
>*attempt to ship them back to England*
>*gets shipwrecked*
>*the marbles stay underwater for a year*
>*finally fish them out and take them to England*
>*no one wants to buy them*
>*they stay in a wet cellar for years*
>*the Britshit museum finally buys them*
>*uses acids to clean them and ends up defacing them*
>*Greeks ask for their heritage back*
>Hey look he took good care of them can we keep them? :-DDDDDD
>no please give them back
>Actually fuck you we'll keep them anyway :-DDDDDD

Please explain to me a valid reason for not returning the marbles to Greece other than Anglo spite. It reminds them of when they were an empire, an active player in world events. But like a rich man gone bankrupt, while losing everything they cling to small stuff "Take everything but not my robe!" they shout. Suez, The Falklands and the Marbles are all examples of this very vanity and inability to accept that "now we're small potatoes again".

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>Anglos literally Mr.Bean'd ancient Greek sculptures
Can someone finally nuke that shithole of an island

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The people of the Falklands had two choices. The UK or Argentina. The first choice was their only real choice

It's not about the Falklands, it's the gesture I'm pointing out. In it's core it was an act of insecurity, like a primary school "under-bully" that beats up weak kids so he'll look badass

Sure.

But they're not gonna.

Because things like morality aren't relevant when states interact with each other.

Even if Corbyn was the prime minister, the inertia of the state would probably prevent him from imposing his will.

Even dictators have problems imposing their will on the countries they rule.

>Should
Doesn't matter because they won't. Ever.

He's not Greek. Incredibly obvious American post.

Why don't the Greeks just make new ones? The Brits already ruined the shit they took from Greece.

Oh please, art nowadays is cancer, everyone tries to be "mysterious","unique" and "smarter than you". The world has left art behind, and art has left the world behind as well

the contemporary greeks have as much claim to them as the people of britain

I'm open to sending art back to Greece but definitely not Egypt.

>British have a great record of preserving antiquities in a sustainable way which also allows them to be exhibited to the whole world.
>old summer palace