Hi all,
I'll keep it brief, this thread is for Swiss anons, basically vote to bring in sovereign money in Switzerland and have the first nation free of the international bankers. It's too late to have a full meme campaign (10th June is the vote) but if Swiss anons are out there, I strongly advise you vote.
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voted yes.
>I strongly advise you vote.
Against it, I hope. The whole idea is Keynesian socialist inanity.
Good man
Pray the rest of your countrymen aren't as retarded as you.
Sovereign money isn't perfect and markets will suffer but it will cleave a country from (((their))) control, fractional reserve banking is what has caused our nations to be so indebted, bankers own our money flow.
> but it will cleave a country from (((their))) control,
No it won't. The term "sovereign" is misleading in this case. The proposal wants to create a centrally planned economy in the financial sector (i.e. communism in banking). It's plain stupid.
still havent voted, i voted no to taxing international gambling but i don't know whether to vote for or against sovereign money, prolly gonna vote yes
Sovereign money means that (((they))) won't have control over the money supply anymore, that alone is a good enough reason. Also if any economy can bump out the kinks in a more planned economy it's Switzerland.
I think you definitely should, it's a risk but the rewards are high and the cons are low
Ok Vee, I will bite. How is that going to be financial communism.
>Swiss free of international bankers
Yeah, the most international banking country in the world. What crack are you people smoking?
Free from the influence, no, free from total control, yes. It's a step, Vlad, perhaps you guys might follow suit if Switzerland sets a good example
What about dollar exchange? How's that free? American bank prints money, exchanges to Switzerland franc, that's free? Nah, that's highest corruption possible. What about all those who already have money? They should be taken their money away and everybody should start from 0, else you not solving any goddamn thing. If they all keep their money, then nothing changes, you didn't solve anything, they still got their inflated profits. Nonsense. First strip everybody's money and ownership, then ban dollar, then make central bank print only money when people produce something. No other way exists.
I am voting and I will be voting No because I'm not a delusional incel retard.
The idea of sovereign money is that the only money in circulation is enough to facilitate the trade of goods. Your proposal is good but unfeasible in a working economy, you aren't going to get much better than this and also unlikely to get another chance, the government of Switzerland is free to intervene and prevent international money men buying up all the currency with American monopoly money, you can't really think someone will but literally all the currency with no repercussions.
If you care at all about making the world a better place I'd reconsider.
Or at the very least be open to changing your mind as I make more of these threads, I'll try post more information about it and why it's a good thing.
I'm a richfag but also an artist with no real job, I want to live in switzerland, wat do?
You can buy citizenship
Fuck off you derailing jewish tapas siesta inquisition
I have literally zero understanding of the economy and no idea how money works.
How could I possibly have a valid opinion on the issue? I'm voting no because I leave that to the politicians. I have a family to feed.
It's stupid to vote against fractional reserve banking. It's literally the only thing that keeps your country prosperous.
I would like you to vote Yes and sink your economy for the greater good, but if I were swiss I would be totally against.
The people in market who have money control the creation of money, you understand that people got their money from American bank and they didn't fucking produce a goddamn thing, they only invested where illegals and debt ridden workers produced and those corrupt investors will still be leaders of money creation in future, since they will create business with previous money they got with inflation they created, those corrupt good for nothing top retards will force bank to print money either way, until you strip them of all their money and ownership. Only then you can restart banking. People will never be free and inflation will never stop as long as you are influenced by investors. Investing should be banned, always and everywhere until forever. Investment is corruption, no higher corruption exists, there with donations and philanthropy, they are giving people money so they work for them and they are owners forever, your bank will still print for those owners and they will still slave drive and import immigrants, like always.
Then another sub-topic, why should i trust central bank if that central bank is not controlled, not when it was half-privatized and not now when it's controlled by Switzerland? Government isn't the people, bank employers aren't the people. People should have it on A4 format everything displayed, who gets money, at what second and every day this should be presented on site and organization that controls central bank where workers change constantly should control that to be accurate.
Bank workers might have no clue at all when boss of bank gives loans to somebody and that is corruption. We should know who gets loans and optimally loans should be banned. There's no need to get/print money before work is being done, investments are corruption.
Ignorance isn't an excuse to not do your duty
I don't deny your opinion but you have to be logical, what your suggesting is to drastic to ever actually happen, change is a slow process and this is just a first step, at worst nothing changes
Logic:
worker applies to work-->at end of month gets money that bank prints-->stores money at home-->when has enough money buys something
anti-logic:
bank prints money-->somebody invests or gets loans... = failed system
If that wasn't enough of failure, then they also store money in bank. That's like my neighbor being at home in my house and me living on the street.
Besch du alemannisch ?
Trust me, if there is something to preserve from the international painting you should do it.
I reiterate my previous position.
My ID just changed mid post, have never seen that before
>Stores money at home
This isn't the way things can work.
Financial agents in surplus should always invest their surplus in financial assets, otherwise the economy fucks itself.
>have never seen that before
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>Financial agents in surplus should always invest their surplus in financial assets,
Greeks sure did it well that way.
"hayo Yannis Kolapadopoulos can I has 20e is for christmas ouzo le drink
-no sorry come back in 2 month"
>Be burger Lehman Brothers CEO
>"I want big monies"
>Lower branches start giving out subprime loans
>"Fugg, how do we get liquidity out of this shit?"
>*Mr Sheklestein arrives*
>"Go... ehm... boss, pack this loans into MBS and pack these ones with CDOs."
>"Great idea Mr Sheklestein, you got a promotion"
>fast forward 6 months
>*Mr Sheklestein arrives again*
>"Don't forget the 6 million CDS"
>"Sure!"
>Fast forward to 2007
>Rates increase
>Subprimes default
>"Oh fucks what have we done"
>*Rubbing hands in the background*
Voted NO
Literally been here for 6-7 years so new fag by definition
Unvote before I send 15 million pakis to your borders
sry mexibro, but those financial instruments were invented by the white man
Unless my phone is retarded i believe that to be the flag of Italy.
>sovereign money in Switzerland and have the first nation free of the international bankers
You already have the Swiss franc.
>Why do you need a new currency?
>If your new currency is strictly for domestic use, then how do you stop foreigners from collecting your new "sovereign" money and then treating it like the old money?
I love the idea of ridding the nation of international bankers. I'm not totally sure how you'd achieve this, because like worms, those guys will worm their way into even the most tight-locked domestic banks you propose to build.
The only way I could think you guys get your domestic currency is if the currency is 100% digital and the bank that manages all transactions forcibly denies any that originate outside the country. However, that just means shell companies and proxy traders will spring up to get around those restrictions.
>the sovereign money thing is giving the Swiss central bank a monopoly on creating money
>Jow Forums told me all central banks are owned by the (((Rothschilds)))
How is this a good bad for (((them)))?
Why?
There's no point for big companies to exist anyway. And if you want big companies to exist:
worker applies to work-->at end of month gets money that bank prints-->stores money at home-->when has enough money buys something
+100 more people savings
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big company
The central bank will only be able to create money with the permission of the legislate on a time by time basis, ideally. That's how it should be however if the vote passes they can still interfere and stop that being the case but hopefully the Swiss will be able to see through this.
I advise you learn more about the matter, this isn't a referendum to remove the Swiss frank, in future threads in going to post more info on it but I can't just now as I've hardly got an Internet connection at all.
I think I will come live in swityerland just to piss you guys off and learn you how to keep your last good things you fucking have.
>(((White men)))
Okay schlomo. I swear, ancaps are one step away from being retarded. An ancap society is impossible to create or even sustain.
MODS are fags
yeah no, go away you hippy
Well stick around, I'll keep these threads up until the referendum and I'll post info.
Central bank can be owned by government, one guy, Rothschild, many guys, people...etc. The point is what they allowed to do and what not. Of course hiring ex-private bank employees into central bank is a bad idea, but that's exactly what USA is doing, they hire Goldman Sachs ex-bankers into central bank and they do what Rothschild want, directly or indirectly. So they don't do what people want and give loans to their buddies or print money based on false demand. Then AIPAC and other lobbying groups just pay money to politicians to look away and citizen of USA can't even access that private bank data, neither whole central bank data, since they don't keep any records. It's not what you know, but what you don't know or don't want to know.
Rothschild do what they do because you don't know and don't want to know, but overall they don't do much illegal stuff, the laws are written for them.
Most italian companies are very small and very bank reliant for their financial needs, more than ever.
Big companies on the other hand are very market reliant.
Destroying fractional reserve banking is basically a death sentence for a modern economy.
If anyone can see through jewish tricks, it's mountain jews, but I wouldn't get your hopes up. There is almost no chace the vote passes. I say that as someone that gave Trump and Brexit a big chance of winning. The Swiss have been scared off by stories about their economy and savings.
>dear swiss people
100% federal reserve is a bad idea.
It will be good for (((existing banks))) bad for small banks.
Swiss are losing democracy .
>you fucked yourselves.
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As someone who is relocating to Switz, how does this affect me?
I'll try anyway, maybe the Russians will hack the elections again
At least with the Swiss central bank we know that local governments are the largest shareholder.
The Federal Reserve doesn't disclose it's shareholders, right?
Why are they bank reliant? You mean to say they have loans? Well then those aren't their companies, those are bank companies. Loans are what drives economy in favor for banks, they might not be directly owners, but they influence your thinking all the time. Financial crisis can't hurt people who own things, only those on loans. My bricks aren't going to collapse if financial crisis happens, but i might not have enough money if financial crisis happens, because prices will be fucked up.
If you have a company you own there's no problem:
worker applies to work-->at end of month gets money that bank prints-->stores money at home-->when has enough money buys something-->that something is a small store--->worker applies to work-->at end of month gets money that bank prints.
What happened to local produce in Italy? It's almost non-existent now. In past everybody, including priests would grow their own fruit trees and vegetables, now you are dependent on loans to buy from same source as supermarkets, basically GMO from USA or Chinese tomato puree, you then sell finished product or even ketchup as Italian + you got loans + you hire illegals to make loans smaller, but loan on loan = bigger corruption, you never will be free.
Well, any organization can be good, even the most prone to corruption, just depends who is employed there and how good they are controlled to work good. If all white people would be employed in American banks then they would probably work more in favor of white people, that's just common sense. If you replace them all with Arabs they will work more in favor for Arabs, both having exactly the same laws.
Most companies here have problems with liquidity management and banks usually give fresh cash in exchange for long term credit.
Loans aren't a problem, actually banks are the ones who aren't happy to make new loans as they are frightened by the raising rates and future losses.
I didn't vote because I've been in Japan since February and won't be back until August. I would have voted 'no' anyway.
You have problem with management and bad management means loans. The easiest and most dumbest thing a boss can do is just take loans and that's exactly what they do, since that's what they being taught in universities with this American-German economy. That's the root of your problem. Those people who take loans have no desire to ever create anything in any country, they work for profit, they don't care to build something. They might get awards how successful they are, but those are loan bitches, they take loans, buy and resell, now you need illegals to cut their expenses, they will get richer and most Italians will get simply poorer with more migrants. Funny thing is that your salary will be 3 times larger, but inflation will be 10 times larger, so you have a feeling you are richer, but ask yourself what you really own for which you don't need loans.
If the vote passes and the Swiss Franc might rise against the British Pound. Or maybe the opposite because bankers are just a bunch of idiots doing random things.
To bring us back on topic, can anyone argue against this without the following:
-Muh planned economy is communism
-Muh not extreme enough anti-jew measures
-Muh immediate market reaction
Kek, accurate summary of the counter arguments.
Get rid of those usurious bastards
Got some loans in CHF, little gipsy? Or why would you care? Anyway, I'll let you know when I, a Swiss economist, needs your advice on anything that concerns the economic policy of my country.
>free of international bankers
>75% reduction in gdp
>now only sell chocolate and watches
Communism means you own the bank. No such thing exists on planet, maybe North Korea and partially China, but they more like indirectly own it, not directly. In China lobbying can't influence banks, everywhere on planet it almost does. You see bankers want to know how to predict your behavior, so they can inject their corrections to shift things into their direction of Rothschild if you may. Planned economy is opposite of free market. Switzerland won't have planned economy just because they control their central bank. Banks/governments in capitalism don't control the market, you are the market, they just predict you and inject measurements in form of direct central bank interventions or government laws, but they do not plan the market. Planned economy is like creating something that works. Keynesian economy is just fixing occasionally the broken system. Free marker is simply not fixing anything and to naively say "it will fix itself".
Based as fuck. Take on international Jewry and hold out.
I hope that's a joke. Chocolate and watches are a meme they are barely relevant to our economy.
Then don’t vote rather than voting no.
It won't do anything about that. It's just a tactic by the Greens to implement Agenda 21. It would deprive the local banks of the choice of lending money to whomever they want and put all that power into the hands of the central bank. It won't solve the problem of usury at all, all it will create is even more collusion between the government nd their cronies.
Sounds good swissbro. Have a Bump.
Are you retarded ? The only people supporting this shit are the Juso faggots.
>free of the international bankers
According to faggot OP. Why doesn't somebody who can read mountain elf post the details of what this referendum actually proposes to do so that people can discuss it properly instead of calling each other commies with no information?
The international bankers will try to punish Switzerland and you might see a drop in GDP for a while, but in the long term assets from around the world will flow to Switzerland like never before.
Switzerland isn't some Middle Eastern backwater the bankers can point at for the USA to bomb into oblivion. There simply isn't any excuse like muh freedom and democracy or a dictator or something.
This would be an uncuckening the world hasn't seen the likes of since 1933.
Sadly, it won't happen.
You can vote 100 x for Vollgeld. Even if there were a majority, the government (Federal Council & their administrations) just would not implement it. Like the Zuwanderungsinitiative.
We are fucked up, Eidgenossen.
Nobody understands how the monetary system works, so everyone just votes no. It's a natural reaction.
It's funny how they try to label this initiative as some commie crap. It's not.
French, american, german and british economists are all the same, globalists to oblivion.
Imagine a fucking swiss economist for god's sake.
Bunch of empirical alchemists and magicians, sperging on the bet they've made for the date of the next economical collapse.
Are you only an ethnic schweiz.
Rubbish. Compliance craze and abolition of banking secret have driven away big banks. Huge layoffs now. The music plays in Singapore and HK. Switzerland is a myth. Now, munch your Toblerone.
Get gassed by the krauts, nigger. We're full.
The shit's called "Vollgeld Initiative" meaning "full money initiative", wich is a complete lie because it will change nothing on the practice of creating money out of thin-air. All it will do is to put even more control to the central bank, away from the numerous local banks.
It's a plot by the joung socialist (SJW faggots) to implement total domination of the banking system by the government and its cronies.
The dumb French "Swiss" of course are in favour of this but us Swiss Germans will completely destroy it.
I'm happy to have brought so many Swissfags together, remember that voting yes can only bring good things.
You didn't eliminate bank secrets, nobody knows what you store, people don't know that. Doesn't makes the difference if selected few know what you store.
I amfrom the German sp. part & vote yes because ALL politicians say vote no. Smell something?
Listen, I do not use a VPN and I know what I speak of. The KESB and most other authorities can force the banks to disclose your sssets.
you fool, 18 year old or more, still see only in term of black and white, can't formulate a valide opinion by himself, can't even understand that freeing ourself from international pressure gives us more option to defend ourself, truly a cuck mad/10 this country is ruined now
If he's citizen of his flag, he can just move to Switzerland.
Yes I smell your retarded opinion.
It's not possible to implement the initiative in the way that only the Central Bank creates money.
If you really think this initiative helps us in any way at all you're retarded. The economy needs inflation to a certain extent (Ideally low but never deflation) to run. What Switzerland needs is a reduction of immigration and increase in political power to the people. We must stop the shit from the EU as they just wanna fuck us over.
Thanks.
>put even more control to the central bank, away from the numerous local banks
How does it give the central bank more control than what it has now? Does it let the central bank veto loan creation or something?
Sure, sure.
You nailed it. Agree.
Yup, the Swiss caved under a lot of USA and EU pressure and they comply with disclosing the assets of USA and EU citizens.
HK banks probably give that info to the Chinese goverment.
Singapore is in the pocket of the USA.
Guess the safest place for you mostly depends on your citizenship en countries of operation.
He's an EU citizen with money. He doesn't even need to ask permission.
No VPNs.
BTW: Even the WSJ in in favour of it, tulpennigger.
i tried to research this a bit after reading the op but still pretty confused, quick rundown?
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Better with VPN? Not sure if it's better if my university knows my porn history or the dutch.