It's time!

it's not true at all

that's a lame excuse

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Prove me wrong.

>FOOD SHOULD BE FREE. IT SHOULD NOT BE PAY OR YOUR LOVED ONES DIE
>HOUSING SHOULD BE FREE. IT SHOULD NOT BE PAY OR YOUR LOVED ONES FREEZE
Name anything a person needs as you can argue it should be free. In reality though, you have to work to get what you need. The only issue with medicine in America is that it's too expensive due to the American Medical Association. Get rid of those kikes, and nearly everyone will get treatment.

Healthcare should be free? So that means that doctors should work for free...so that means that doctors should be slaves?

I'm not paying for your healthcare crackhead so fuckoff.

They are paid by the state, and it does not mean there is not also a private option should you want it.

>inb4 then not free then hurr durr
Free to you at the point of use, other than general tax contributions, which probably don't cost more than medical insurance anyway.

honestly m8, I had a response typed up but I don't think I've ever changed anyones mind on this site so I'll just go ahead and think you're retarded/sheltered and leave the thread. have a nice day.

It was sarcasm, friend. See Also to add, healthcare costs in the US in 2015 were $3.2 trillion. If that came out of federal taxes, that means in one year each of the 122 million taxpayers would owe about $27,000 just to cover healthcare in addition to all the other taxes they already pay. Federal tax income in 2015 was also about $3.2 trillion, so the effective tax rate would have to double across the board to cover healthcare.
It's also a proven fact that people are more likely to take care of their own health when they are responsible for their own medical bills.

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>implying your argument is not one of the standard ones on this website

k, bye.

“Free”

Nothing is free kid. But what I find the most comical about this debate is the people who push it so hard offer no solutions to that problem other than to utilize it as a vehicle to try and thought trap people into socialism. You know how we could easily pay for it? Cut a bit of pentagon spending. But the reality is democrats like war and an easy way to funnel money into the pockets of their friends just as much as they accuse the republicans of. But yeah, constantly repeating “tax the rich” doesn’t work. If they truely want universal healthcare they need to offer an actual solution. That’s the kicker though. Just like climate change they use it to try and herd sheep for votes. Just like the 2nd amendment. They don’t want to fix what they see as a problem. They’d rather it stay a perpetual issue.

>I think people should have access to free healthcare

IUOYSHEDIURYFHSIDUY DO YOU MEAN YOU WANT DOCTORS TO BE SLAVES? ?? ?? ??A ? LOOOOOOLLLUIYHASBNDIUYFDFHBASUYYHBGD

>not work for free they will be paid by the gov
So, they want the gov to force people to pay for other people.
Thank God doctors don't get a say in economy.

This is by far one of the trickiest topics morally and practically. On one hand, it would simplify things and some level of care should be provided to have a thriving society. On the other hand, any time the government subsidizes something the price always goes up continiously, while the quality or value of what you are getting won't climb with it, if anything it might decline. Then, of course, if you relinquish control to the government there is the slippery slope of them having more power in deciding what treatment options you have available. Taxes will keep increasing over time, but the product won't get better. Its the kind of thing that requires a population who is morale on all levels to function properly, but isn't that usually the case with socialism. Sigh

>that's a lame excuse
Why is it lame to not want to spend more of my money to support people who contribute nothing to society? My taxes are already paying for too much of their shit already, why should I spend even more to pay for their healthcare that they need as a result of their shitty lives? If you've spent 20 years of your life on welfare drinking 2 liters of soda a day and eating nothing but fast food, then I'd rather you die than have it cost me another cent of my money.

Yes, you will need the free healthcare. Have they invented a cure for zyklon b yet?

Healthcare is corrupt, but if you leave decision making up to the government, then we all die. Healthcare isn't s right.

Nothing prevents them because these doctors aren't real, their a figment of faggot OP's imagination

>On the other hand, any time the government subsidizes something the price always goes up continiously, while the quality or value of what you are getting won't climb with it, if anything it might decline.

Bingo. This is what always makes me backtrack on the idea of a government sponsored healthcare system in the US. The insurance situation has already made costs high even before factoring in that people can sue doctors for everything under the sun. I personally am all for the idea of people being able to get all the care that is technologically possible without them worrying about cost. The idea in a vacuum is nice and pleasant. But the realities that come with trying to accomplish it always turn me back to saying no. I'd rather a society live with the fact some people just can't afford to get it and die than turning over control of such a thing to a governing body.

stop requiring people to get a note from a doctor for drugs
stop requiring people to get a note from a doctor proving they were too sick for work/school

doing these two little things will decrease the demand for doctors which will snowball into lower prices for everyone

make health (((insurance))) illegal and overnight healthcare prices will plummet back to what normal people can pay for normal things

you are either full of shit or just know propaganda talking points

It shouldn't be free, but payed for by working tax payers. Look at it as an investment to maintain a able workforce. It's far more expensive with people collecting disability checks that just drain money and don't participate and earn their own money.

But then there is that fucking American war machine that needs the money even more so fuck the fucking working class....

Murica bby!

Good argument.

>doctors that become doctors because they want to help people don't exist.

They do, however you are right in that medicine these days has gained a reputation as a profession for being one of those things you become for mad cash, and so attracts far more people looking for the big bucks over anything else than it did before. Same goes for lawyers.

Case in point, in the NHS a doctor's salary is more than enough to afford a comfortable upper middle class lifestyle, but they still all fuck off elsewhere because private in other countries will still pay you even more.

If you love them so much then you'd pay any amount you heartless faggot.

The only reason leafs and other "civilized" societies can afford to give their population "Free" healthcare is because:

1. They don't have to spend money on a military because the USA is the world's policeman

2. The USA produces the most medical innovations because of profit incentives. The rest of the world benefits.

AND THEY (other countries) still take 40% of your income. LOL.

Another reason why healthcare in the USA is expensive is because of how people use insurance.

Using your insurance to pay for routine doctor visits and medication would be the equivalent of every time you put gas in your car, you submit a claim to your car insurance and pay a co-payment.

If that were true, what do you think would happen to the price of gas?

If your insurance is not for covering when you break our arm or need a tetanus shot, then what exactly are you paying for? The one time you might need some exotic treatment for something you will probably never get?

Wallow in your cesspool, he implied your a cowardly twit who thinks nothing of emptying my pocket because of your moral imperatives. Screw you, be thoughtful for you and yours, 'cause I don't have too. Nor do I want too.

Catastrophic only. Also based on what you choose to cover on your insurance.

Furthermore, if everyone started paying cash for routine care (like the ones you mentioned) it would drive cost down significantly with competition.

You pay for homeowner's insurance if you're hit by a tornado, not for when you need your landscaping done.

The Second Amendment is not a problem but a thoughtful solution to people who might think it a problem.

You would seriously not treat a guy who can't pay's broken arm? This is everyday medicine, along with a course of antibiotics and a vaccination. Cost you basically nothing on aggregate, and keeps yourself covered for the same too should you fall on hard times.

Obviously it can go to the point of taking the piss (I'm not paying for your boob job etc), but for basic shit, come the fuck on.

Much like you don't pay medical insurance to get your boob job.

We are taking about "a tree fell through my roof and broke my arm", i.e very similar things. Not "I'd like a pool put in and a pair of fake tits".

>Screw you, be thoughtful for you and yours, 'cause I don't have too. Nor do I want too.
Why the hell would you expect me to cover your broken arm. Fuck you. I take care of me and mine, why should I pay anything to you. Take care of yourself.

build that wall first and healthcare will follow

Breaking your arm and getting it casted and set would cost

>California tries to pass universal healthcare
>o-oh, the money for this doesn't exist
>b-but it'll w-work if we have the federal government, because California is the richest state!
>o-oh wait that makes no sense
>H-HUU HUU HUU HUUUUUU HUU HUU B-BUT HUU HUU HEALTHCARE IS A RIGHT HUU HUUUUU W-WHY DON'T YOU WANT TO PAY FOR 80,000,000 MEXICANS'; HEALTHCARE HUU HUUU HUUUUUU

Get rekt faggots.

he's right you know

>You would seriously not treat a guy who can't pay's broken arm? This is everyday medicine, along with a course of antibiotics and a vaccination. Cost you basically nothing on aggregate, and keeps yourself covered for the same too should you fall on hard times.

hey, it's me again. I know I said I left, but I lied. I just went for another coffee.

I wouldn't pay for another person's broken arm because I can pay for my own.
I've been working hard my entire life and making good decisions. I still drive a car from 2004. I spend around $40/week on food and work my ass off. I have a lot of money saved up and have zero debt and I'm in my mid 20s. I wasn't given a particularly blessed life, but I am a hard worker when it comes down to the bottom of it.
If the wolf comes to blow down your house because you chose to make it out of sticks, that fucking sucks. You're not allowed in my brick house.

I suggest that there is fund in whicg everyone pays %, and if they get ill they are payed from that fund.
Who doesnt cash in reqired amount in fund cant use it at all.
You get almost free healthcare or with reduced price when needed and not wasting tax money on all.

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Me.

>Doctors work for free
That isn’t how it works... have you ever heard of Medicare?

Because the NHS is a legit hellhole. It isn't even slightly sustainable and year on year administrators basically expect doctors to do more and more work for less and less pay.

Why the fuck should someone study for decades, work one of the most demanding jobs known to man (in terms of hours, intellectual demands, emotional demands and legal jeapordy) only to have the ungrateful brittish homo turn around and say theyre only worth a comfortable middle class existence.

If you think thats a good deal then you can stop sucking Mohammads dick and become a doctor yourself.

you can have open borders
you can have socialism (free healthcare)

You can't have both

>I wouldn't pay for another person's broken arm because I can pay for my own.

I can pay for my own too, but don't see why that means I wouldn't therefore pay something towards someone else's too.

>wouldn't therefore pay something towards someone else's too.
you haven't seen the dregs of society then. sorry.

Healthcare isn’t free. The burden is shifted from the employer/individuals to the state. So many Americans pay little to no taxes and we live in a society that does not value pulling their weight. There is a reason single payer only works in homogeneous societies

Well you can, but its wrong to force others who dont want to pay. Heck, you can give all your money to charity for all i care.

Deal.. But you have to be a non-smoker, under 10% body fat, no drugs, no homo. There is more but you get the idea.

Also, it will never happen in America. Health insurance companies are too powerful

>only worth a comfortable upper middle class existence
So knowing some medicine means you're now actual fucking royalty? My issue with such doctors is twofold. First, cash over patients. I don't begrudge them the money in itself, but do when it comes before their actual fucking job.

Second, getting massive state assistance, tax breaks and allowances etc in their top tier western education (with the expectation that they will give it back though being a doctor etc), then they take all that and fuck off somewhere else the instant they can, essentially robbing us blind.

So, how do you manage "free"? Even with enslaving doctors you have to pay for food, housing, and electricity for them. Then of course the price for hospital facilities, electricity, medicine, etc.

No no no. The government is too powerful which allows the health insurance companies to buy it.

Eliminate government power over the market and truly set it free.

Oh believe me I have. I would still pay by bit for Chantelle's broken arm.

my bit*

Single payer systems only work in countries that don't have to spend money on the military because the USA will protect them.

With that logic, food should be free.
>It should not be "Pay or your family starves"

Yeah offer a choice to people to spend 12 years (best years) of their life and whole life of specializing just to feel good helping while other jobs bring 6 figure income.
You would have doctors to count on fingers.

All you really need is a border force and nuclear weapons desu

>Taxes
>paid by the state
That's not how this works. That's not how any of this works.

Your robbing them blind idiot.

Its highly unlikely that every local brittish doctor actually wants to leave thier home to work overseas, the truth is that people like you are forcing them to do it.

What do you do for a job? Does anyone expect you to treat your job as something other than they way you make money? Does thr government set limits on thr amount of money you can make?

On one hand you want doctors to be paragons of virtue who sweep in and save your life when you want it, and be dedicated to thier communities. But on the other hand you want them to work for peanuts because the government subsidised thier training.

The fact is that for the time and energy you put in to train as a doctor, you could have become a lawyer or an engineer and easily make double of what the NHS pays you. If you didnt subsidise thier training they just wouldnt become doctors in the first place.

But if you really belive your own bullshit, then why dont you respond with what your job is, and why you dont think you should have to take a 25% pay cut right now, becuase im sure your customers would like that too.

It's the same dumbasses who think hospitals bloat costs in emergency rooms on routine care

>Why does it cost $2000 to fix my broken arm!

Because that hospital is staffed and stocked to handle ALL medical emergencies, not just your broken arm.

This guy gets it.

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I never suggested otherwise: "other than general tax contributions, which are probably not more than you pay in medical insurance anyway".

We have a NHS. It's created a generation of weak scum who should have been killed off long ago. No.

can't have nationalism without socialism.
greed and selfishness are not aspects of patriotism.

The difference is that a private corporation will be effective, while the government beuracrat will refuse reimbursement because they didn’t like the hospital administrator’s signature of some shit

But if communism is free health care, doesn't that mean every developed nation on Earth other than the US is a communist country?

If that's the case then communism has a pretty good track record

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>Get very very reasonable pay, along with the status of being a doctor etc
>Help, I'm being robbed!

>Take from the public on the understanding that you will benefit that society
>Fuck off and leave that society that footed your bill the moment you have what you came for, in favour oven an even more exorbitant salary in Oz, the US or wherever.
>Not robbing them blind

"Oven" was supposed to be "of", but...

Cut out the government middleman.

Brokers are just scam artists.

The government is nothing more than one giant work program. That is the ultimate redpill.

I agree with this post, however in your last one you mentioned the NHS being unsustainable. I also agree with you on this, but not because of the reasons you stated.

If foreigners didn't have access to it until they've gained access to public recourse (which should be a LOT harder than it is), if trans couldn't get their fucked up surgeries on the NHS, if alcoholics and drug addicts were refused service (forcing them to go private, which benefits everyone, or die off which does the same), then we wouldn't be under as much pressure.

The NHS isn's failing because it is not sustainable as a model, but because it is abused to shit. Oh shit I sound like a communist, but when it comes to keeping our countrymen healthy then cost shouldn't be an issue for everyone.

t. t1 diabetic who relies on NHS, but also contributes to it.

Healthcare should be “free” but first the US should be a homogeneous white country.

Because we do not want to pay healthcare taxes only for niggers and illegal spics to abuse it.

If the US was homogeneous than I would be all for universal healthcare because I would feel like it benefits my people.

>Suck off welfare teet from age 0-50.
>Never provide anything to society.
>Get AIDS from heroin and buttfucking
>NHS owes me!

>Not robbing people blind

Socialism is the greed of the unproductive. Kind of hypocritical to blame a handful of people who use the system to become doctors, when many others don't even do a thousandth of even that.

Your tax money will pay for faggots to have billiard balls removed from their ass, sweetie. :^)

Literally fuck off. I'm not taking a 50% paycut when I have 300k in debt from my Jewish med school

What stresses the NHS is not junkies or whoever (though they are an easy and popular target to rail against, while the real issues get swept under the carpet), it's old people needing lots of end of life care. Who, by the way, are almost all are paid up in full tax wise which makes the issue rather a sensitive one.

On the other hand, what I describe with our own doctors is why the NHS has a shortage and has to rely on pajeets of questionable qualification instead.

>Literally fuck off.

Can't fuck bug spray, asshole.

Its not very reasonable pay, its artificially lowered pay and unreasonable working conditions. Im not even going to bother with the rest of your nonsense.
If you think its such a great deal go become a doctor yourself.

I note you still haven't told us what you do, and why you dont think you should take a paycut so your customers get a cheaper service. Are you a hypocrite or an unemployed leech?

Why hasn’t California or New York , the richest states in the United States, passed a universal healthcare bill?

>What stresses the NHS is not junkies or whoever
Junkies, alcohol (A&E saturday night anyone?), foreign leeches, pharma leeches, unemployed leeches not paying NI, past osterity measures that have rippling effects
>it's old people needing lots of end of life care.
This is true as well, but as you said, the NHS exists for this kind of person. It doesn't exist to be leeched from both top and bottom.

>Its not very reasonable pay, its artificially lowered pay and unreasonable working conditions.
These are smypoms, not causes. The NHS could work if it was used for its intended purpose only.

Looks like the majority of the thread wants it

Tax money comes from taxpayers money... I MEAN IT'S SO FUCKING SIMPLE NIGGER CRACKHEAD FAT FUCKING FAGGOT RETARDED CUNT jesus christ fucking retarded, dios

>can easily afford a million pound house in a nice area, an Audi and a BMW, as well as the wife and kids
>not reasonable

>Being expected to deal with sticky doctor things, at potentially unsociable doctor hours (though more probably, Monday to Thursday, 9 til 4), and earning the above and more.
>unreasonable working conditions.

You ain't a coal miner m8. In pay or conditions.

>These are smypoms, not causes. The NHS could work if it was used for its intended purpose only
If it ever worked well for even a single day the government would spend the next 10 years not paying into it and using that money on some other vote buying exercise.
In a socialist system theres absolutely no incentive for your rulers to make a system any better. Especially when most brits are deluded and think the NHS is already the best thing since sliced bread.

The solution, like usual, is a free market. HSA's started young with inexpensive catastrophic policies can fix/maintain cost AND quality. A free market provides these benefits and we should utilize them.

I agree
however, all users of free healthcare MUST volenteer for volentary sterilization

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What do you do for work and why do you think you shouldnt take a 25% paycut right now so that your customers get a cheaper product?

Are you a hypocrite or a leech? Im not going to buy into the rest of your gay bullshit posts until you come clean.

Some shitty office job that the taxpayer did not pay me to get.

Perhaps in a small country with a 99% white population free medical would work, but as it stands it results in poor medical treatment, slow response time, and a waste of tax money