Capitalism always works. Socialism always fails

Capitalism always works. Socialism always fails.

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Capitalism is the idea that if an idea is good, it does not require force. Socialism is the idea that we should all be slaves to whatever a central entity wants.

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Statism and socialism relies on the use of force on innocent people.

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Surprised no socialists have tried to refute any of these facts desu.

they are full of shit
but with no real knowlege

>refuting facts
Facts are irrefutable. Socialists refute straw men only

When you have economic freedom, per capita income doesn't mean shit - all the wealth generated through the unbridled exploitation goes to the exploiting class. Sure the average income grows, but it's the shape of the distribution that's of interest here. Post this data if you have it.

"Economic freedom" isn't synonymous with laissez-faire capitalism. Nordic countries and Singapore are at the top of the list, but they all have a significant state presence in the economy.

Compare Cuba and Haiti.

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This. Op status = recked. Hail chairman mao!

Such low quality bait but I'll bite.
Saged.
This is the only thing I agree with here.

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Both systems are shit

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Only boomers and commushits believe in a right-left dynamic.

It's not on me to prove a negative, very typical backwards marxist logic you have there. Instead why don't you instead refute the evidence that capitalist countries are happier too.

Wrong. Singapore and any nordic countries near the top have minimal government intervention.

Why? Haiti is one of the least economically free countries and both have ended up terrible. You make no point.

Nope. They both fail sometimes.

>Minimal government intervention
Wrong. OP status = double wrecked

Singapore? Minimal intervention? Ha!

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>Wrong. Singapore and any nordic countries near the top have minimal government intervention
Are you retarded?
en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economy_of_Singapore
>Haiti is one of the least economically free countries
The state there is corrupt and beholden to the interests of those at the top and in the US. That doesn't magically mean it's not capitalist.

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Read that post.
>The economy of Singapore is a highly developed free-market economy.
>Singapore's economy has been ranked as the most open in the world
>MOST OPEN IN THE WORLD
This has to be some of the weakest bait I've ever seen.
>interfering the economy doesn't mean you are socialist

Ancap is an oxymoron and no capitalism doesn't work because It does not even exist most countries are mixed economies

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Christ you’re braindead. Open in that context means open to trade, not deregulated.

I never said that government action in the economy is socialist. It is however the opposite of laissez-faire capitalism, which is what people who post these graphs tend to advocate. If you read more than the first paragraph you'd see that their government does actually play a role in business affairs.

>open means open
Which means free, as opposed to "blocked economy" or "socialist"

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(((Kirk)))

Retard alert.

Retard. You can have a very socialist economy that still does open trade like for example vietnam.

Almost every country is that way, that does not make it not more economically free. It's like saying a train isn't safe because one person once died from it. Singapore is capitalist as fuck.

>Which means free, as opposed to "blocked economy" or "socialist"
absolute state of lolbertarians

Wrong. Whether it opens trade to its own citizens or to foreigners makes it more economically free. Vietnam is not an open economy for either.

They're capitalist but not laissez-faire capitalist.

Do you really believe that socialism = big government
If so I don't know how to brake to you kid but you must have autism

>Socialism always fails.
of course it does as it's always paid for with capitalist money, it can't sustain itself from the start

In my opinion there is no such thing as a laissez-faire country since every country uses fiat.

You are straw-manning, there is literally nothing I said that could point you to ask that. What i do know however is that being economically free is impossible with a big government, and vice versa for economically restricted.

I just told you that your evidence is insufficient, and explained why. You have to produce the required evidence or refute my post, otherwise you don't even have a case.

here comes the fence sitter

this scatterplot doesn't even seem to have an high correlation coefficient...I'd wager you'd get a better one if the x axis was average IQ. I'm all for true market based econimies, but the quality of those who make up the economy can not be dismissed.

you can only have socialist policies like welfare paid for by capitalist money. if you think nationalizing the energy sector works and give everyone a piece of the action; look at venezuela, it never works.

By that logic early US economy was fucking communism since they were heavily protectionist.

I already did. Economically free countries are FACTUALLY more prosperous. You did not refute anything, instead you are asking me to prove the impossible.

>>capitalism always fails.
>of course it does as it's always paid for with feudalist money, it can't sustain itself from the start

Norway, china, spain, vietnam, iran, oops, looks like nationalization actually works.

You got any recommendations for someone interested in maoism?

They were certainly less free and open, but nothing I said could make you spin my logic like that. Open economy is a free economy.

Studies have shown that there is a connection between autism and libertarianism.

>There were socialist according to my weird definition of socialism, but they weren’t socialist.
What the fuck are you even saying?

I haven't studied maoism yet either, I'm currently studying Marxism-Leninism

alan badiou

>Economically free countries are FACTUALLY more prosperous
If you think that's a valid conclusion to draw from the picture you've posted there's no point to even argue with you.

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Norway produces nothing, all of their socialized services are going to collapse. That is why the wait times on hospitals have increased substantially despite still having a massive 50% tax rate. China is obviously shit. Vietnam is shit. Iran is shit. Nationalisation does not work.

Certainly not whatever you're quoting, you jinormous straw man.

so US in 1776 didnt have free market ?

No, they were less open and free because of the tarrifs. Stop thinking that its either 100% capitalist or 100% socialist, when most countries are mixed. I AM SAYING THEY WERE LESS FREE, BUT STILL CAPITALIST.

It's right there. But I would not expect you to understand, you unironically believe killing people for not having them give their money to violent rapists is a good idea.

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so when a country doesnt have an open economy it is 100% socialist ?

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>Norway produces nothing
Dude you’re snorting some really heavy stuff. Now I see why you like open economies.

Test

No, that's the logic of the socialists trying to tell me I said America is socialist. READ. LESS FREE. Not "TOTALLY UNFREE."

Therefore communist china and the soviet union were also capitalist. Nice.

>Goes straight to capital

Why are you such a strawmanning weak minded fool? Therre is obviously a point where you consider a country capitalist or socialist, just having a single tax does not instantly make a country socialist you dumb fuck.

Yeah therefore the soviet union was capitalist.

kill yourself faggot i bet you are lazy and never worked day in your life

Mining bitcoins in your mom’s basement is not work dude.

>muh socialist capitalist dichotomy!
>muh definitions instead of actually explaining!
brainlets

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Brainlet detected. Mining secures the network, it's called "proof of WORK" for a reason cuck.

kek

You’re a neet and you’d starve if your mom kicked you from your house lmao. Do actual physical labor for a day and then say you oppose socialism you autist.

Some authoritarian coming to steal your money would not instantly make your life any better. If an economic policy was good you would not need to use force to get it done. I don't need physical labor because I am smart and make money without it, even though they steal 30% of my earnings.

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>Do actual physical labor for a day and then say you oppose socialism you autist.
how does it follow that after doing it for a day he would suddenly want to do it every day for substandard pay and no choice and a corrupt authoritarian government?

The region of china has always been resource rich, especially for agriculture. That's why it always harbored a large population. The question is how well a government can handle said resources. Hitler was in power while Germany recovered from the depression, doesn't mean that National Socialism works.
Norway, just like every other "socially-democratic" nation has a high amount of taxes and waiting time for government provided services. It's also not a powerhouse either despite it's large coastline. Vietnam deregulated it's market over the last 2 decades, at this point it's more fascist than socialist, as is China.
Spain and Iran are garbage.

>you are not heartless just because you killed a fly, which means a mass murderer is a good person
- your logic

>I don’t need to do physical labor because my mom gives me tendies
Kek. This is now maoism & laugh at ancaps general.

>commies convince themselves corruption and bureaucracy are good things
yuck

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>Anarchist chaos is better than civilisation
>Civilisation is violent and dangerous, way worse than living in the woods defending yousrself from wild animals with our superior weaponry

Also my absolute favorite;
>Europe is not already socialist.
>The Nordic System of Socialism is a clusterfuck of gun violence in schools, all the population is armed, and therefore cops shoot at anyone having a object in the pockets, creating an atmosphere of perpetual civil war and gang violence.
Oh shit that's the US of A, land of "the free" lmfao.
LateStageCapitalist as redditfags call it. On the brink of Ancap. You should be satisfied already. Whadaya want Mad Max?

I say this because AnCap brainlet litteraly thinks

>socialism relies on the use of force on innocent people.
Well....
>be proud mutt, get shot at on a daily
>be absolute euro white bro
>live in the Richest Region on the planet, highest Development Index
>Yay for ths mix of Sociali and Capitalism. FeelsGoodMan to live in the richest, safest, most cultured and most sought after destination.

>but ... but... the boat people. They no come to murica now. We no have people flocking to us
>not fair
Ssshhhhhh mutt...
It's going to be fine
Just go to school instead of hunting pigeons all day, ya little rebel

Everybody wants to be the underdog.
Youre not special.
You're actually pretty corny and repetitive.

>The Eternal AnCap OP
>That little tard brother Pepe .jpg

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Then he should do what he pleases, not force other to follow his ideas.

>everyone needs to do physical labor no matter how advanced the economy is
this must be bait

Actually I made my own trading bot that makes money for me.
>inb4 you don't contribute
I contribute liquidity to every other trader, if it is so easy you and all your friends would be doing it too.

>ebin AIDS Skrillex meme
Hahahahaha lelelelele epik meme dood XDDDDD!!!

pretty accurate huh lol

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>Actually believing capitalist shill media

Mao was a moronic leader.

>actually believing communist rogue state medias which have no free press

> most cultured and most sought after destination.
which is why millions of retards are coming into your country to exploit the system your are praising, the same is currently happening to Scandinavia. Shit attracts flies.

Something intelligent for a change. I agree that the wealth of each nation is largely pre determined and ignorant of it’s economic system, which is why you cannot do a direct comparison between any capitalist and socialist nations, you need to compare similar nations to arrive at a proper conclusion of which system is better. However you haven’t really shown why natural monopolies shouldn’t be nationalized, even adam smith recoqnised that it should be done, infact everybody except libertarians agrees that utilities should be handled publically. Almost all examples show that nationalizing the energy sector works incredibly well.

Anarchist is anti civilisation.
Refute this.

>protip you can't, because it's the fucking definition, brainlet cunt

Go be a monkey in africa with the rest of the niggers.

You clearly don't need a house, no water or electricity. Or internet. Since you don't like any un-profitable service provided to you.
Just chose like Zipbabwe, I'm sure Based AnCap Zimbabwe would love to listen to a christian teen telling them that they're not anti-state enough, not savage enough.

Go back somalinigga

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Civilization does not rely on rulers.

All of those things are profitable services, you make no point at all.

XD, as we say in finnish MEE TÖIHIN. You’re a neet, get a job you bum. XD XD this is like parody of real life.

>thinks I actually follow propaganda of any sort blindly like him
>thinks capitalism has "free" press

*schnippenschnappen*
Ja, dieses gehtst im meiner cringe-kollection.

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A neet who makes twice as much as the average tradie and who doesn't rely on any handouts from thugs. Huh, almost like I'm self employed and you are just jealous.

>infact everybody except libertarians agrees that utilities should be handled publically
ancaps* retard
>which is why you cannot do a direct comparison between any capitalist and socialist nations, you need to compare similar nations to arrive at a proper conclusion of which system is better
hmmmmmm...................

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Without mao it’s unlikely that deng could have reformed china so effectively.

>thinks i thought either of those things

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Where's the equivalent pictures comparing a socialist and capitalist country, only with the capitalist one being worst? Clearly socialists have no such evidence to fall back on.

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And how much is that yearly XD?

>go back to somalinigga

You realize the safest place in somalia is a fortified privately owned hotel with private militia? Its surrounded by goverment and warlord factions fighting for control over others, including the faggy UN and the worldbank, and al shabaab sharia state goatfuckers.