Discuss anarchy

that wouldn't simply work under leftist terms. it would work in homogenous societiea maybe, but niggers would be looting all day long, and PC police would do nothing about it, maybe they would prosecute oppressor whitey for self defence against poor oppressed minority.

Anarchy is no government, at any level. No police, because no authority.

i mean you would get some consequences for killing someone, right?

both looks like faggots to me
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Yeah, what would you do if *I* killed someone for fun in front of you?

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I always picture this as someone blowing air through pursed lips, making a farting sound.

the ideology of 13 year olds

No, they want communism now, because that gives them things for free, the'd have to take it by force in anarchy.

Show up for meeting.
Shit on floor, knife the first person who comes near.

If you don't do this, you aren't exercising your freedom in an anarchistic society to its fullest extent.

Yes.

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Jesus, this turned into a cringe thread fast.

Anarchism does not mean raiders and no cops. All Anarchism means is that an individual who does not will it has no God's or Masters without consent. Heirarchies can still exist because heirarchies are a part of our lives. People with more competence can lead others if others choose. There can be police because police can exist outside of the state. Anarchism is not supposed to be a system in which society is run but a mindset for individuals.

Ancoms who are acting faggy at protests are just anticapitalists. When you choose to disregard a law that is unjust or that is irrelevant in the moment you are saying that you hold more authority over the given situation than the state or "God".

This is a more honest assessment. Anarchism would not work under leftist terms because leftists feel the need to government all actions. They think that there is a "right" way to do things and that all individuals must subject themselves to that ideology.

Define anarchy: a state of disorder due to absence or nonrecognition of authority.
So yeah, there'd be raiders. Small groups who band together would be their targets, it'd be like small tribes as the native Americans had it.

Ancap is the only form of anarchism that would actually resist a new governments

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You live in a country where there are more guns than people. If there was a situation in which there were no police some areas (nigger ones) would absolutely end in chaos, but areas where people already understand that you cannot rely on the police would do far better. That is because those people don't realize that they are acting under an anarchist mindset. They have decided that they are the sole protector of their property.

>You live in a country where there are more guns than people
And that's a good thing.

another utopia, like communism, national socialism etc.
It wouldn't work in real life. I mean, it would work as being real anarchy, but not as a stable society system.

Yeah. Anarchy through the statistics lens that everyone has adopted is synonymous with chaos but Anarchism which is what I'm sure that people were actually trying to talk about is belief in the abolition of all government and the organization of society on a voluntary, cooperative basis without recourse to force or compulsion.

Also we have more government than at any time on Earth. They can spy on anything, lock you away for nothing, and we still have fucking raiders and crime. The authority of the state is an illusion held by a monopoly of power from a handful of psychopaths.

Ancap is codeword for feudalism. Enjoy serfdom you dumb cunt memeflags.

Only communists and hoodlums call themselves anarchists anymore.

Probably. I used to be Ancom. They really just want more of a tribal society and don't feel a need for growth. Ancoms would probably have the best bet of replicating the society that we have now where there is growth and specialization.

I agree. I own lots of firearms. Obama going after guns during Sandy Hook is what made me shift to the right. I'm still an Anarchist. I just realized how radical leftists can get.

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*Statist
Not statistics

Ancap doesn't work. Human society started from Ancap and over years and years of trial and error and dismentaling authoritarian regimes we figured out a government structure that's closer to center is generally functional. Government isn't going crazy with power and people aren't fully independent to a point there is anarchy. It's only the times that decide if we are better center left or center right or center authoritarian or center libertarian.

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*Ancaps would succeed
Not ancoms

My man! Here's my one gun.

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>There can be police because police can exist outside of the state.
lol
ok man. anarchism is not a real political ideology, just a joke

They are doing exactly that in Charlottesville ever since Unite The Right.

Sadly, this is true. A lot of people use the term to justify their amoral behavior. They don't realize that it's not glamorous. Sort of like how most libertarians try to sell libertarianism as a weed smoking, whore pounding, gun running political party.

There is nothing stopping monopolies. Also, there is nothing stopping a group of people from rising up and creating a government of their own via force and coercion.

I doubt it would be very fun.

That's a very nice collection user, what's the gun at the very top?

That's fine that you don't believe it. You can have a government where ever the fuck you live. Just don't try to tell me that I need and if I don't want it that it's too bad because you'll send the cops to kill me for not paying taxes.

I police my neighborhood just fine and I live in a ghetto. Cops are unreliable here. I know my neighbors and they trust me when shit goes down.

Depends on the person.

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If shit ever hits the fan, you will want some sort of pistol to carry around for every day stuff. Getting water and food may not be so easy as it is now and you will need free hands to lift jugs and stuff. If you ever have to take care of business, you will want a bunch of small 38 special revolvers. You can use one and lose it if you need to pretend that you dindunuffin, or trade them for supplies. Your rife is great for the long range game but you will find it slow to bring on target at close range compared to a light pistol. 9mm is also great for a carry pistol.

people get the government they deserve
always

Hipoint carbine. It's the older model. Shoots 9mm. Probably my favorite. It's just a fun piece and very cheap.

The label of ''anarco capitalism'' is completely redundant.
A pure anarchist society would be capitalist. And a pure capitalist society would be anarchist.

Without a government the people are the ones who decide what they do, how they exchange goods and services.
You can't completely remove the government, but then say ''no, we will not be engaging in consensual trading! we will put a 10% tax on the goods, and you can't sell this, you can't sell that, there need to be regulations on this and that service.'' If you want to put all those rules in place you need to govern, and then you no longer live under anarchism.

Ancaps are retarded for calling themselves ancaps, because it allows people who have no idea what anarchy is to hijack the label of anarchism.
People are not going to stop selling goods and services to other people under anarchy, period.

No. I'm getting a .22, that's good enough to kill a deer if you're accurate. Humans have many vulnerabilities that can be exploited with precision.

I like the design, does it break apart/fold up for easy storage like one of those survival rifles?

Nice. My roommate has something similar. I'm a little jelly. I want a scoped rifle that isn't hunting caliber.

You have a fatigue meter in real life raiding and many, many more people than you think can hit you with a deer rifle at 100 yards. They don't just stand around wearing "villain clothes" and they cheat because it is real life and you play for keeps in real life. Major injuries don't fully heal if you manage to survive them. Stealth assassin or member of a large gang are the two most effective methods of combat in real life.

Everything that calls itself anarchism is always so amusing. When you ask its followers how society would work without people killing each other, they start talking about community laws and councils, tiny governments lmao.

I think the closest you can get to anarchism is the ancap ideology. Communists force their ideology on you and force you to surrender the notion of private property by threat of violence enacted by community governance.

Very well put. I think that Ancaps have adopted that label to dissasociate from the neocons that call themselves capitalists but are really mercantalists

No shit? Flank the enemy with your rifle because standing in an open field and shooting at each other died with colonial times. For some reason.

Yeah, it's a .556 with a 10-30Xmag scope, red dot sight, and thermal imager. Who knows when heavy fog, smoke or other things might be in the way of finding the "enemy".

For you

No. That's the thing about hipoint. It's a cheaply made gun. I can take the receiver cover off but the grip stock and handgaurd are all the same molded platic. I have inserts for the double barrel shotgun so I can use various rounds. It also breaks in half. That's probably my best "survival" gun.

It won't be a video game. You won't often know where the robbers are. Your rifle is good when you know where they are going to be.

I have a bayonet, avast!

You should read Nassim Taleb's books if you haven't. He's got great ideas in this area.

The only selling point Hipoint has going for it is price point. They're incredibly cheap. Probably why he picked one up specifically for dumb fun.

I absolutely agree with this.

Thanks lads, you Ameribros are so lucky, don't ever let them take your guns and end up like us

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I will now. I think you are the third person to recommend me this book. I know he wrote that Black swan book and everyone keeps saying hes a genius, but I wasn't sure if it was going to be some over the top intellectual piece. Which one should I read first?

It will be fun because you can drive all over people's lawns and do donuts on them. You can run around naked and feel the grass. You can start screaming or trying to get to the tops of buildings. You can use any building to sleep in and you can take all the gold and be a billionaire.

Billionaire of what? I don't recognize your wealth, get your jewish yellow metal out of here.

Exactly. I traded it from my Jamaican neighbor for a hipoint pistol. Best trade you could make.

Most entertaining book I've read so far this month is Nozick's Anarchy, State, and Utopia. While it is not quite arguing for anarcho-capitalism all the mocking arguments against I have ever seen have run on a reel through my head against his argument for minarchy which is not wholly bad. His arguments suffer same issue as the anarchists. Rather than formal structure of governance bearing burden he outlines this idea that there would be protective unions which people would subscribe to and all sorts of nonsense I think falling short calling it the non-aggression principle.

We wont. I don't know about the east coast, though. Good luck over there. That knife shit is pretty stupid. So try to stay safe. There's always room in New Mexico. Just don't vote Democrat.

>This is what statists actually believe

Lel. No wonder our world is so fucked up.

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He's here!

Posting in a blessed thread

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They're both manlets, one is just wearing a suit. Both have retarded unsustainable ideologies. If you try to implement something that won't actually work in the real world you get massive death and chaos. If an ancap thinks otherwise they're retarded. At least fascists don't pretend there will be no violence, ancaps are either woefully ignorant or intentionally lying to themselves and others.

Anarchists do not understand the order in which we simple monkeys are forced to live do to our communal nature
for some reason they think that everyone can just go off and do there own thing without someones "own thing" being not let people do there own thing

>Then the meme flags come in to shit up a thread

What is this strawman arguement you are trying to make against anarchists? You aren't making an arguement and it seems like you didn't even read the thread.

>Relying on precision when shit hits the fan
When you die it's on you. I don't know why you're against a handgun, it has a lot of utility.

.22 handgun, and mostly for the ammo capacity, and how common the ammo is. 2000 .22's weigh less than 200 .308's, approximately.

Holy shit, anarchism does not mean the absence of order, you niggers. If hierarchy and collectivization are natural human social behaviors, then this can and will happen organically in a state of nature, without any external coercion. There might not be a "police", but people will defend their property with guns. Instead of using state violence to enforce borders and social norms, communities can use free association to keep niggers and degenerates out of their communities, and failing that, armed force. The point is that humans are allowed to behave and develop peacefully, without being coerced by a socially-sanctioned mafia.

Preach!

You always hear people talk about how heirarchies and collectives are natural and that justifies us having a government, but you flipped that arguement on it's head. Very nice.

unsustainable

I'm an American, I guess you weren't here when we had these "meme flags" last time? It's only relevant if we're discussing regional politics and not ideologies, brainlet. Anarchism is retarded. Firstly good luck getting a whole nation yo want to be anarchists and support essentially coorporate domination and serfdom over an actual government. You can claim cooperation all you want, but if I own all the water I have all the power. You become a slave to individuals by your own "consent" because to not consent means that you get no water. People will still monopolize natural resources and you will have little recourse except to be the slave of that individual instead of a government. The only accountability is violence, but the initiation of that violence is now sanctioned on an individual/corporate basis. You think a rival corporation is going to give a fuck that this other corporation violently abuses people who don't belong to any corporation? You're just allowing authoritarian gangs to arise and control people in way far more malicious than any state. Eventually as groups get taken down by other groups, big fish eating little fish, you'll arrive at a monopoly of one gang which will now be an authoritarian government. You can try to revolt again and set it all back, but that is just creating a cycle of endless chaos. Why do you want to go back to fedualism?

It only works when there is consensus. If a compromise can't be reached we bring in the state to enforce one. In cohesive rural communities you rarely need to call the cops, things work out pretty much like the anarchists describe them. 300 million people can not reach a consensus on anything, everything needs to be done through state enforcement.

What will be the purpose of your handgun though? Is it self defense? If that's the case go with a 9mm if you want cheap light rounds.
.22 is good for plinking, varmit hunting, and mafia assassinations in the parking lot. I don't know much about hunting, but it seems like you would be putting a handicap on yourself to try and hunt with a pistol.

I also own a .22 pistol that is threaded for suppression. I love it and it was cheap. So don't feel that I'm saying not to get one. Just consider what it is you want it for. I prefer my star 1911 or even my glock for defense

>it would work in homogenous societiea
there would be no society anymore you moron.

What happens if I drive on people's lawns and do donuts in anarchy? What happens if I start my own cult? What happens if I take all the video games in the store?

You misunderstand anarchy. Land is free because you don't own it unless you live there.

They kill you. Anarchists are just individual authoritarians who are too pussy to actually support authoritarianism that would work. They think they'll have the power and they're wrong. It's an impossible utopian fantasy that would never last.

Because I sell the gold to trade it for things like boats, helicopters, dinosaur robots, or video games.

I'd prefer a .45 but the fact of the matter is I'd be keeping far from combat in a SHTF scenario, trust me I know some things. Plus I'd be wearing my budget hurt locker if I was outside.

The reasonable anarchism argument is based around communities and corporations. Let me know if you opposed that. You basically have a series of small governments that have no accountability except to control their land and maintain stability. As long as they have a collective of loyal supporters they can run roughshod over everyone else as they please. Anarchism allows for small authoritian governments to rise up as well as communal ones. The leaders of that gang own everything because there are no laws to say otherwise. As long as they have enough loyalty to maintain stability they can do whatever they want. Do you think people are uncorruptable? If someone offered you great benefits for doing shitty things you'd be surprised how many people sign up.

But they wouldn't be as efficient as trained cops so they'd have a harder time.

Fpbp

Gold is without value to me, I don't make anything with it, and it's value is based on your statement of it's value.

>I'm an American
Please prove it. I only say this because as of recent meme flags have been the primary shills.

I'm reading what you are typing but please explain to me how any of the doom and gloom you are trying to sell is different than what happens now.

Also
>Good luck getting the whole nation to try to be Anarchists

Lel. Spoken like a true facist. I'm not trying to make the whole nation anything. Thats the point! A lot of people assume that somehow after this mythical "anarchist revolution" that we will somehow be the United States of Anarchy, but I'm saying that Anarchism is a mindset in which individuals recognize that they are free to act accordingly to their principles and that interactions should be voluntaty. This does not recuse them from consequences.

>I'll just fight off the raiders with muh gun
>Two niggers jump you at night, take all your stuff, and kill you
woah... is this the power of anarchist society?

>Wouldn't be efficient as trained cops

Have you seen LAPD?

It's a nice collector's item and you can make gold walls or curtains for your house.

>Collectors item
No thanks, I'll barter in bullets. Those have easily understood value.

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