"We are facing a not-so-brave new world; a world in which young men are getting left behind...

"We are facing a not-so-brave new world; a world in which young men are getting left behind. PHILIP ZIMBARDO and NIKITA COULOMBE argue that an addiction to video games and online porn have created a generation of shy, socially awkward, emotionally removed, and risk-averse young men who are unable (and unwilling) to navigate the complexities and risks inherent to real-life relationships, school, and employment."

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let it all burn

Bump

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The sooner society collapses the sooner we can murder our enemies in the streets ;)

Ah yes, the old "vidya and porn bad" argument.

We were heading down this road long before the internet, before video games were hugely mainstream, and before pornography was so readily available.

Boomers and Gen Xers are really quick to blame things for their kids being failures. I don't know why they just can't accept responsibility for their shitty parenting.

They created all this feelgood bullshit like "everyone is a winner" and "everyone is beautiful on the inside" and "being different is okay." They should just accept the fact that they fucked up multiple generations of young people by not preparing them for the real world.

It took me years of being on my own out in the real world to un-learn all of the bullshit I had learned from my parents and teachers. My problems had to do with the fact that I was expecting the world to hand me the things I wanted because I deserved them. It had nothing to do with the fact that I like vidya and porn.

>navigate the complexities and risks inherent to real-life relationships, school, and employment.
Making the risks to relationship and employment increasingly bigger. Offer no greater rewards.
The market got worse. Don't invest in it.

I like your thinking.

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Currently I see no reason to invet in a long term relationship with a woman if she doesnt come from a family with enough money to contribute a considerable amount of money to the purchase of your first home.
Whether she needs a good job or not depends on your social class.

Working class people are better off staying single and instead just enjoying their lives. Families and relationships are far too expensive for a low income couple.

t. fat neckbeard incel NEETs

Actually I have a good job, a long term relationship and I am getting a free house. I genuinely dont think a relationship is worth it in the modern world without these things to prop it up.

Name-calling is a symptom of immaturity, user.

this: Apparently vidyagame and porn are bad but promiscuous casual sex that breeds "superSTDs" and ritualized drug use are a-okay

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(White) Men have agency. Women and various browns do not. Ergo, when men do a thing, it is a conscious choice that negatively impacts others, whereas when browns and women do a thing, it was a reactionary move against white male oppression and dey dindu nuffin.

t. Postmodernist Progressive

>n-n-nuuuuoooooo not muh vidya

t. manbabies

An entire generation of beta men were spoiled on WoW and all kinds of vidya. Literally YEARS (as in continuous logged hours of literally years) spent on vidya by millions and millions of men wasting their life. Vidya is absolutely a top cause of the creation of weak beta men.

Any denial is cope by a manchild who still plays vidya in his 20s and 30s, which is an embarrassment

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Blame men - especially white Western men - for the net consequences of the influence of women, and burden of minorities upon society and the economy.
Yeah, what else is new?
Men play video games because of hypergamy: women don't need men as providers anymore, so they no longer settle for 80% of them. Men, then, have no drive or purpose and are defeated before the game even begins. Porn and video games aren't causes, but rather treatments for symptoms. Porn and VG prevent suicide, rape, and rebellion.

I'm not defending vidya. I'm just saying it's awfully cohencidental how all these (((social scientists))) are so quick to point a finger at viddiegames but not at popularized/habitualized drug use and/or hyperpromiscuity

really gets the ol noggin joggin

I concur.

The west is dead, we are a generation of revenge..

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>blame white men
WHO THE FUCK ELSE WOULD YOU BLAME

White men had all the power in the world and gave it up. They allowed feminism. Allowed immigration. Allowed leftists to win. White fathers allow their kids to grow up on porn and vidya to turn into beta males. White beta males do nothing about it and feel sorry for themselves

Jesus fucking christ pol is absolutely beyond fucking delusional. Zero self-awareness. Zero sense of responsibility
>it's not muh fault, it's da jewwwwwss. Now back to being a NEET playing FarCry and watching gook cartoons

Unironically, literally, and sincerely fucking kill yourself you degenerate piece of shit

/thread

t.
Pedro Tyreseberg

yeah they could have been out earning money for women to spend instead of enjoying themselves...

All the good hobbies have been outlawed anyways...

Chariot racing, looting, raping, and pillaging are the only acceptable male hobbies.

Alpha shit like that

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Correlation does not equal causation. It may not be that video games caused a generation of shut ins. The fact that the world is so over saturated with PC nonsense and an explicit anti white bias that many people retreat to a false reality because they see no place for themselves in the real world.

Betas don't even have sex. Chads who have sex are far more likely to be successful

Drug use is a blip on the radar

Vidya is at the top of the list

The nazi's are dead too... and they failed.

Third position is a new way forward, one that will actually work.

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tldr your education system is the route of all evil

Yeah kiddos are being left behind, but it's not because they like their gayms too much. It's a fucing symptom not the cause. Zimbardo has some interesting ideas every now and then but he's dead wrong on this one.

vidya doesn't cause the basement dwellers to dwell...

just something to waste their time while avoiding hell...

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>Boomers and Gen Xers are really quick to blame things for their kids being failures.
You think they would remember when The Greatest Generation thought they were practicing black magic when playing D&D.

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You don't know history with enough nuance. White men did NOT "have all the power". Power is always a balance, and what white men did was excel at that balance.
The British Empire ruled India so well because the British were civilized. However, look at other Imperial ventures of other nations - many ended in complete failure since Imperialism is expensive and difficult.
The Nazis created the strongest impression of nationalist unity ever achieved by a nation, but even jewish propaganda covers up the incredible dissent and instability within Nazi Germany (because they want to justify the war which saved Stalin).
White men did SO WELL that we had the ILLUSION of having superhuman power that no one can ever have. We flew too close to the sun, without a backup plan.
We tried banning booze and drugs, we tried segregating blacks - don't you understand - it didn't work, we didn't have the POWER to pull it off.
And yes, WOMEN are a big crutch for the WHITE RACE, and if you don't understand that, you don't get it. To think a man can just control his wife and kids with his belt misses the point, that's just one aspect of power.
ONE FLAW of the white race is that although we have in some populations (North Sea) higher average IQs than even East Asia, we still have a lot of 'tards in our ranks. Drunk ass sports hero dick suckers who can't do calculus and don't understand the nuance of power.

Zimbardo works for (((stanford research institute))) where MK CIA research basically started.

If anything this book is them telling us how effective their own mind control has worked. Revelation of the method.

Their elders we're right though

Jow Forums is in denial that their favorite activities are satanic meanwhile all the people raised on gaming are the ones promoting meme magic aka demon chaos magic

I thought this what the jews wanted

Third position is another Masonic facade. As is Dugin and his 4th position chaos magic

Only position worth taking is in Christ.

>cohencidentally ignoring the rise of antibiotic-resistant "super STDs"
>cohendicentally ignoring the opiate crisis, and the fact that illegal shitskins & chinks only prosper because of the illegal cocaine/MDMA/amphetamine trade
juden raus. Video games aren't spreading disease and poverty on the same scale as drugs and promiscuity.

Have a (you) user, well said.

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You are falling into the trap of symbols. You have to remember that all stories have a true story they are emulating. Even when its put through layers of abstraction and packaged in a game there are still universal truths being related in them. A man is then free to choose what he wants to emulate free from the shackles of his past to make a true decision in a place where his demons cannot haunt him.

Have been weaning myself off videogames the past few months and just about ready to give them up full stop. Time to grow up, Jow Forums.

Yeah you're right.

Nearly all RPGs and video games tell the same stale story underneath: being man, rebelling against God (portrayed as a villain all gnostic demiurge), "leveling up" with stronger powers either of yourself or from demonic sources, and eventually overpowering the creator like Lucifer's wet dream. Very few games depart from this core.

BURN IT DOWN!!!!

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Vidya is a symptom of a cultural disease, not the disease itself.

Fucking sperg

Hey there Jordan. Keep it up.

"Vidya" translates to "knowledge" in Sanskrit. All your chan memes are being forced by the mystery schools to indoctrinate you into the occult new world religion. Including all your idolatry of memes which are often named after demons

Jordan Peterson is a Satanist.

I listen to Chapo Trap House mang and they like to make fun of his type.

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The topic is the rise of young beta males specifically, not how drugs destroy already impoverished communities on a societal level, moron. It's presumed that if a young male has the luxury of playing lots of vidya, he is already well off in a middleclass/wealthy household, where he should succeed, but isn't. Why? Vidya is a top reason

Go back to playing modern warfare or whatever you manbabies play nowadays. How many thousands of dollars have you spent lifetime on games and subscriptions let alone the years wasted? Fucking kek

Chad culture and Vidya beta culture are two flipsides of the same sodomite occult satanic agenda. What you should really be doing is reading the Bible

Like I said, I'm not defending video games. I'm simply pointing out that they're not as deleterious to society as antibiotic-resistant-gonorrhea. You're arguing like a liberal.

Yeah its easy for them to make fun of everything and not have to take anything seriously now that they make $25k/month

"We are facing a not-so-brave world, a world in which young men are choosing not to keep the system going. Two obvious morons argue that 'addiction' (playing) video games and online porn have created a generation of not-easily-led, socially resistant, difficult to emotionally blackmail and non-risk-with-no-reward-taking young men who are unable and unwilling to serve as walking wallets for real-life relationships with people literally trained to treat them like mud while they work their entire lives away."

Oh, how terrible.

>arguing like a liberal
I wonder why user? They're obviously a sperg look at their posts

>Hnu/ut9c go on Chapo

You must like living in cum town then right?

WEW WE BETTER DIVERSIFY VIDEO GAMES AND ONLINE PORN EVEN MORE NOW, GOYIM

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Good points. The risk averse thing comes a lot from single mothers. Fathers teach their sons to do the cool stuff that conditions you for success. Risk=reward.

Reminder there are people on Jow Forums who actually think like this.

I dont listen to podcasts.

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Vidya is bad because people who play vidya wont fucking CONSUME

Guess what? Those young men are choosing to do that shit. They have other options. They need to make better choices.

>risk-averse young men who are unable (and unwilling) to navigate the complexities and risks inherent to real-life relationships, school, and employment.

I'm able to do all that but I choose not to because of overpriced economic costs.

WHEN SHIT COSTS TOO MUCH THE CONSUMER DOESN'T BUY, CAUSING THE PRICE TO GO DOWN.

We are waiting for the price of living to go down. This should happen unless of course there's some boomer jewery going on.

Just so you know, the price of living has tripled just in the time I've been alive. I think we'll be waiting a LONG time for that to happen.

I mean FFS, Red Lobster TRIPLED their prices in the last 10 years! (Sorry, just learned that last night)

I use to be like you. I figure yourself a stylite living atop a tower. I am going to give a PROTIP even if it just echos off the walls.

Take a step down every once and a blue moon and sample all that you see. You can always go back to the top of your tower to process it all. You just have to make sure to listen to all the shit that is flung and weigh it. That way you know if people are coming to burn you from your tower.

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What kind of entitled economics expects me to pay more for the same shit?

Found the 40 year old roastie

Op, admit that you’re addicted to Jow Forums.

>the British were civilized
Good jest.
Karma is showing them what happens to 'civilized' societies currently.

Checked

I'd rather wages caught up to inflation but at that point that's a fucking pipe dream.

Minimum wage back for late boomers is the equivalent of a $20 an hour wage today

The kind that run the world, user. Prices only come down on electronics, and that's only to a certain degree (usually after the new model year or the very initial push where things are overpriced to attempt to recoup R&D). When I graduated school a taco bell taco was .50 and gas was .89. When my dad graduated, gas was .35. It's a never-ending price raise, but you lot have got the biggest jump of it I've ever seen. It's disgusting.

Yah, I remember user. I'm an X'er, and even at $4.25/hr we made more than you guys do. Its total bullshit.

so why are Boomers so whiny when they had life on easy mode for decades? how did they even fucked up this badly?

The older generation needs to die or retire.

They're hogging up good jobs and sitting on property. We've never seen a mass generation of old people like this before.

Money and value is supposed to constantly flow.

>t. fat neckbeard incel NEETs
>stringing together all those buzzwords
WEW Lass anyone else smell arby's ?

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FPBP

>force young men to go to school where you teach them about slavery and how it's their fault
>teach them about the holocaust and how it's their fault
>teach them that very the land they're living on doesn't belong to them and millions of native americans died because of their ancestors and it's their fault
>once they're out of school continue to attack white men constantly and demonize them as nazis and bigots
>tax every dollar they make and force them to pay into a social welfare pyramid scheme that is guaranteed to collapse before they see a dollar back from it
>the very government lording over them barely even veils the fact that they're trying to replace them with mestizos
>watch as the nation's soldiers go to fight for decades in bumfuckistan while the country's own border is invaded by tens of millions of hostile parasitic foreigners
>constantly get barraged with headlines telling them they're dying off and that the world will be better for it
>some geriatric fuck that HAD THINGS WE'D HAVE TO FIGHT A CIVIL WAR FOR NOW has the fucking audacity to blame those men for opting out of the society that clearly wants nothing to do with them save for take their earnings
There's no reason to perpetuate the system as it exists today. These old fucks sold us out for fat pensions and now our children, grandchildren, and possibly even we ourselves will be subject to increasing ethnic violence because these stupid boomers were spoiled and greedy.

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The human brain doesn't actually work well with numbers. They know inflation exists, they hear numbers, and think it's kept up. If you show them numbers they tend to back off it, but at first glance they just repeat what they've been told their whole lives - that you're lazy.

Perseverance works better than disgust; no internet made most of them very stupid and pliant.

>fucked up multiple generations of young people by not preparing them for the real world.

all the feelgood bullshit is just a small part of the problem

the biggest problem was flat-out lying to us about things like "equality", race and gender differences and general leftist bullshit and not pushing back on any of the absolute propaganda we learned in school

when you raise a kid with that kind of stuff and their world-view is built up for 18 years only to have it shattered when we actually move out and go into the real world, it really fucks with us. I feel like nobody really tackles this subject, but being consistently lied to by your parents when the evidence of the world starts piling up really fucks a kid up.

another problem was telling us we could "be anything" instead of actually teaching us about money and defending our economic environment

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> PHILIP ZIMBARDO feminist must help
>Feminist fuck you

>There's no reason to perpetuate the system as it exists today.
This is also why roasties aren't having children. No really.

Mah fucking nigga, this is spot on

I hear about these types all the time, NEET"s, losers, drop outs...where are they? I'm 27 and have always worked, a lot of my co workers are around my age doing the same, many of my friends have 6 fig jobs at 25 and active social lives.

Where are these so called NEET's?

I am the left behind but no shall worry as reborn as hero if take right action bless thee thy son of the being great of the great praise thee.

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>Drug use is a blip on the radar
Are you fucking retarded ? this country is going through an Opioid epidemic

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Christians are more obnoxious than leftists.

weird, because ever time i see a new invention, it's bu a man, all the big tech successes are men, men still dominate stem despite women having all the advantages.

if this is all happening when men are stepping back, women must truly be useless

>If you show them numbers they tend to back off it, but at first glance they just repeat what they've been told their whole lives - that you're lazy.
I guess the boomers forgot who raised gen y aka millennials - themselves. If we're fucked up and lazy gee wonder where that came from?
>inb4 parenting a person for 18 years has no effect on who they become
L M A O

Technically all the milennials COULD be successful if they spent their 20s working 60-80 hour weeks in their shitty milennial jobs. If you spent 18-27 or 18-22 college then 22-30 doing that, you'd be in the position boomers were in when entering the world at 20.

Milennials don't do it because it just doesn't seem worth it and literally everyone who does that will deeply regret spending their youth working (life is fundamentally worse as an older body than a youthful body). Also, it doesn't make any sense that all that progress in such a short time means we have to work MORE to get what Boomers got in their 20s with just 35 hours of work. Something about the economy is corrupted in that regard and we are all waiting for the invisible hand of the market to fix it.

And if the invisible hand fails to fix it and things just get worse and worse, then millennials will force it by burning something to the ground: capitalism or jews.

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nigger, what?!?!??!?!

>Christians are more obnoxious than leftists.
Leftists now have the mantle as the most annoying group in america at least christians wont tell me son to get a sex change at 5 and try to force the fag agenda down our collective throats

At best, my 30's will mirror the boomer's 20's. Maybe.

Yah no kidding, but you'd be asking to pull the moon from the sky for them to admit that. You ARE talking about the most selfish generation to ever live.

Not-so-well-remembered fact, thousands of those pricks used to have bumper stickers reading 'I'm spending my children's / grandchildren's inheritance' on their vehicles. They knew what they were doing, just perhaps not to the extent they thought.

This. I ain't cleaning up your mess

Leftists built a society which attacks young, white men for being white and male. Leftists argue the feeling of disenfrachisement is the same reason niggers nigger, but instead of saying 'dey gud boiz we need to give them welfare an affirmative achshuns" the Leftist continues to heap BLAME on the white man for his failures, BLAME the white man for everything bad that's ever happened throughout human history, and assert the white man is SIN and he's being targeted by a methodical jewish-run white genocide program, but That's A Good Thing!

>When the hit-marker sound gives you more pleasure than real life

Everything was fucked the second the jews infiltrated, so like 200 years ago? Maybe 400? This country was a jew startup. Get real

of course men have to be blamed even as he describes them falling behind.

Our society destroyed everything that motivates men to participate in civilization. This is why the West is getting overtaken while Pooland and Chinkistan will continue to grow. Suppress all this feminism, diversity, open borders, socialism, lgbt-promoting filth and the US will bloom again.

Vidya is escapism for men who's natural will to engage with the world has been obliterated by a weak, degenerate, feminizied society. Society has made it impossible for most men to live like their ancestors lived for thousands of years, so they're turning elsewhere. Vidya is a symptom.

cringe

We really can trace a lot of this back to the boomers. For all the generations before them this things were natural: Do your duty. Sacrifice for your children. Remain chaste before marriage. Avoid divorce. Raise children. They might not always have followed these ideals, but at least they had them. With the boomer/hippie generation came the idea that these virtues were somehow oppressive and shoud be ignored, if not counteracted. Combine this with the endless cultural marxist propaganda that twists history and claims that western civilization is the root of all evils and the source of no goods, one that we'd all be better off if it dissappeared. The end result was a society built on selfishness above all else. In such a society no one cares to sacrifice for the fututre, and no one has any higher ideal to strive towards other than ones own comfort. Why would one strive to perpetuate a society that doesn't believe in itself?