STEM is a Meme

>Every year U.S. schools grant more STEM degrees than there are available jobs.

>When you factor in H-1B visa holders, existing STEM degree holders, and the like, it’s hard to make a case that there’s a STEM labor shortage.

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>About 15 million U.S. residents hold at least a bachelor’s degree in a STEM discipline, but three-fourths of them—11.4 million—work outside of STEM.

>10 years after receiving a STEM degree, 58 percent of STEM graduates had left the field

>more than a third of recent computer science graduates aren’t working in their chosen major; of that group, almost a third say the reason is that there are no jobs available.

>In computing and IT, wages have generally been stagnant for the past decade

>engineers’ and engineering technicians’ wages have grown the least of all STEM wages and also more slowly than those in non-STEM fields

>while STEM workers as a group have seen wages rise 33 percent and non-STEM workers’ wages rose by 23 percent, engineering salaries grew by just 18 percent.

>The situation is even more grim for those who get a Ph.D. in science, math, or engineering. The Georgetown study states it succinctly: “At the highest levels of educational attainment, STEM wages are not competitive.”

>Of the 7.6 million STEM workers counted by the Commerce Department, only 3.3 million possess STEM degrees.

>The takeaway? At least in the United States, you don’t need a STEM degree to get a STEM job, and if you do get a degree, you won’t necessarily work in that field after you graduate.


Article: The STEM Crisis Is a Myth
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interesting, but compare to psych or law degrees, much worse match to actual demand and employment

I get that, but the way STEM is sold to normies is that there is a severe shortage of STEM workers, so they will be guaranteed a high paying job no matter what with a STEM degree.

Also, doing a psych degree is a walk in the park compared to doing an engineering degree. But if the engineering degree is only a little bit better than the psych degree, and the engineering degree is an extremely oversaturated field that is more and more saturated everyday, then I think it's a meme degree

I dont think theres specific jobs for psych degrees. They usually wind up in hr

STEM Ethnostate.

There will always be more tech jobs. If there aren't enough tech jobs, programmers will turn to cyber crime. Cyber crime will create a bigger industry for fighting cyber crime. Therefore there will always be somewhat of an equalibrium in the industry.

Non STEM is far worse per degree than STEM. CS graduates not getting jobs is entirely due to their own incompetence.

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engineering is NOT 'oversaturated', lawyers are oversaturated.

look at how few high school grads go into stem, it is very low, if you have any interest at all in science and think math is actually fun get a stem degree, employers will rate you higher just for that,

t. MSEE 150k/y 1e6savings

It will also create jobs for people designing software that is hack-proof and cybercrime proof.

So the smartest handful of programmers(160+ IQ) will be hired to develop that software. Meanwhile the majority of CS degree holders will be like 120 IQ or less. So the vast majority of people who have a Tech degree won't be able to commit any cybercrime since they will have to crack the defenses put up by an 160 IQ+ expert who has way more experience than they do.

>Non STEM is far worse per degree than STEM

For every STEM position, there are 42 people who have the appropriate degree and are qualified for it (according to these numbers).

>engineers’ and engineering technicians’ wages have grown the least of all STEM wages and also more slowly than those in non-STEM fields

>while STEM workers as a group have seen wages rise 33 percent and non-STEM workers’ wages rose by 23 percent, engineering salaries grew by just 18 percent.

>engineering is NOT 'oversaturated
>42 people qualified for each new position(according to these numbers)

Pick one

This is true in the West, but there's a huge demand for competent white male STEM degree holders in China, yes, at the entry level too.

Also on the topic of people getting degrees in STEM(CS Grads, etc.)

>Of the 7.6 million STEM workers counted by the Commerce Department, only 3.3 million possess STEM degrees.

>The takeaway? At least in the United States, you don’t need a STEM degree to get a STEM job, and if you do get a degree, you won’t necessarily work in that field after you graduate.

is it worth getting a business degree even if you don't have any ideas for starting a business?

>it’s hard to make a case that there’s a STEM labor shortage.
Thank God, now all the H1-B's can go home

I'm sticking with law and expecting you engineer and design fags to make my job easier.

The market saturation will taper off after all the new idiots burn out

>get STEM degree
>don't get STEM job
>still making $80k in a low cost of living area

I can't complain. Nice thing about STEM is even for non or loosely-STEM related stuff, employers still look for and highly value those degrees. You're definitely better off a lot of times than someone with a humanities degree.

Can't do that, wages and working standards would go up. Gotta keep them low and declining. These quotes are from the article BTW:

>“If there was really a STEM labor market crisis, you’d be seeing very different behaviors from companies,” notes Ron Hira, an associate professor of public policy at the Rochester Institute of Technology, in New York state.

>“You wouldn’t see companies cutting their retirement contributions, or hiring new workers and giving them worse benefits packages. Instead you would see signing bonuses, you’d see wage increases. You would see these companies really training their incumbent workers.”

>“None of those things are observable,” Hira says. “In fact, they’re operating in the opposite way.”

>Better than a humanities degree

Still doesn't change the fact that STEM is a meme compared to what it's sold as to normies

Perhaps. Just saying if you're going to go to college, if you can hack it and actually pass the classes, there's really nothing better you can do for undergrad than STEM. Engineering majors are always at or near the top of the pack when it comes to salary for folks with a 4 year degree only (obviously that all goes out the window when you start looking at physicians, lawyers, and people with schooling beyond a bachelor's degree, though).

These statistics count various types of technicians. Also, other sources say the exact opposite for wage increase for stem vs non stem degree holders. You could go get a software job with a politics degree, but it's a lot easier with a stem degree.

Assuming your figures are from the labour department (which they almost certainly are), then the figures include psych majors, economic majors, political science majors, sociology majors, etc... Nobody means those when they tell their kids to get a STEM major, so it's kind of a moot point.

Your figures states that theres 1 stem job for every 2 stem degree holders, including those who don't even work. Some of those people chose willingly to not go into a STEM job voluntarily. I'm guessing a good many are STEM majors that can't get jobs without advanced degrees so they gave up after a bachelors.

sources for claims: esa.doc.gov, bls.gov

Well the reality is that it's better than the alternative. If you have no idea what you are doing (those with STEM jobs without degrees certainly did know what they were doing), then you would be better off with a STEM degree if you go to college.

I make $160k as an entry level guy right out of college. Can you do that elsewhere?

>have PhD in chemistry

You can get a job anywhere in STEM if you are not totally retarded and know someone.