God is dead and there are memes in our genes

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Feels bad that so many fedora-tipping atheists just repeat the “god is dead” line and forget about the rest of it.
God is dead. We killed God with science and rationalism. But we’re all creating something new to fill that void left where God once was.

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Inane blathering of insane men.
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I love those retards, I also love finishing the rest for them. A reading of it will probably be my first vid on youtube.
In the void we can fill it with universal truths learned through experience. "god" is still alive and well

Hey pal, could I trouble you for a summary? However long is fine, I rambled at you already

>The Gay Science

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Thanks for your invaluable contribution

ANOTHER gay thead to hide. Thanks ass licker.

Free bump! Stop projecting. Go back to your shanty of meaninglessness

I apologize for my shitposting. It's almost 21:00 here and the start of a well-deserved weekend has left me slightly inebriated.
>There are many among us here, who feel that life is but a joke.
>A female researcher has linked our optic development to fruit and snakes
It might interest you that mammals do not have an inborn fear of snakes, but are predisposed to fearing snakes. There was a study where chimpanzees (I think) were exposed to electric shocks coupled with either images of flowers (control group) or snakes (experimental group). Chimps in the experimental group became more fearful of the images associated with the electric shock than chimps in the control group, and the effects lasted longer.

Shitty religions are shitty memes. But the focus should always be on the universally consistent. We can build on that, we don't need any Masters or Lords, but their systems are what led us here today and for that I am grateful

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Nice trips! That is a very helpful study! In a jungian way, the collective unconscious contains all, but must first be triggered in the conscious experience. I'll be sure to research more of those studies! Thank you user!

The only thing that would've made that better was info on whether or not they were strictly house cats or outdoor cats. Then it'd support my jungian shit about being exposed to snakes first which triggers the "archetypal" cucumber snake fear. The indoor cats were unphased, if I'm right

I think that even outdoor cats rarely encounter snakes.

In my neck of the woods there are tons of garden snakes, in most places there are- and cats are hunters, hunting the same mice as snakes. So there could theoretically be some run-ins. Or maybe something about simlly accessing the "hunter/prey" archetype within the Collective Unc. by simply being allowed outdoor freedom. Just thinking

Fair enough.
>tfw I literally live a 5 minute walk from the edge of the largest nature reserve in my country and I've never seen a snake
It should be a crime to cuck mother nature this hard.

To be an atheist takes a degree of faith, in and of itself. I'm agnostic and think the Abrahamic religions are pretty silly...crazy, even. However, I cannot deny the positive role Christianity has played for our culture and, as such, only court highly religious Christian women.

There are apparently only 3 types of snake in your country, of course that's nothing to do with population. And I'm sure it is, but who would tell us

I'm in full agreement. To be able to prove a negative such as the existence of god takes a certain amount of hubris. I found universal consistents in my trudge through philosophies and that's quite frankly all I need to personally "prove" god. But it's not a sky guy. To pretend christianity is the worst thing ever for civilization would be retarded, it has built the best civilizations. Molyneux would go into how the Divine King made it's way down to the divine slaves via christianity, and the recognition that we all must follow the same laws is what makes society function, where it does

I can guarantee you 9/10 of cats here have never seen a snake. Our forests are really just big parks. I spend as much time innawoods as I can, but it breaks my heart when I hear the cars in the distance.
>courting
Nice.

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Yes, goyim, fight over made-up narratives.

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I'm in Oregon where most of the land is steep rolling forested hills and uninhabited. Except for the eastern desert, which is just uninhabited. It's nice to be in the midst of so much space. I feel for you bro. Although I see bears regularly and some elk, kinda terrifying sometimes

That's the thing Juan, the goal is to find your own narrative through personal trial and error, not to pick up the remains of other made up narratives. The goal is to find the universally consistent, the real narrative

>completly missing the point of parable and god is dead
Stupid amermutt go get some education or better yet kys

It's elemental audacity. The end of days is here. That's it for the race...unless we win. But we're not going to just barely pull through... We are going to massacre them! We are going to decimate the unbelievers.
Why? Because it's the least likely outcome. Because it's impossible. Because we have no business doing it. You go too far, and reality snaps like a rubber band. Then we're flying!
Our laughter will shred the dark days! That's the only sensible way to face oblivion, Jack. If the world dusts out, my gapped grin is the last thing they'll see. It's the Fool's prerogative. It's why we taint our honor with irreverence. In the mad days, respect is going to get the world dead.
Doing the impossible is a rudeness to reality. So I practice the sacred obscenities.

Lol your reading comprehension needs work, my bit was all about bringing the real, non-religious god back into our lives. We killed dogma, unhitched ourselves from what brought us greatness. We need a new buggy

I like you. You can stay

Speaking as a religious person, I guess I just don't understand the thought process. How can there be any absolute moral standards in the absence of God(s)? Or, at least, some sort of mysticism? I say that in a non-hostile, genuinely curious way; I just don't see how there can be any genuine moral imperatives in the absence of religious belief
I also challenge your assertion that a divine presence negates the possibility of free will. It seems to me, as a matter of fact, that free will can ONLY genuinely exist if there is an element of the supernatural, as otherwise we are governed solely by the deterministic interaction of chemicals

Firstly, I'm a passionate believer in what I call the Mythic plane, and In an occult way. I think the common "need" for a Big Beard God is primitive. I believe in absolute standards., without need to personify the source of positive energy. I don't think it has an ego like a man, nor a subconscious. I'm not sure if "my belief" is "religious" per your framework, but I think of my self as religious.

When debating Christians, the question, "Where do your values come from," always struck a nerve with me, because I used to be a lolbertarian. I realized that for a functioning society, morality can't be subjective. The society has to be in agreement to a foundation that can be referenced

Absolute moral standards? They dont exists, morality is human concept caused by our social insticts. If such absolute standards existed they wouldnt change and would actualy be complete, e.g nothing against slavery in 10 commandments or bible in general.

Second, its not a divine presence that would negate free will. Instead, if an all knowing and all powerful god created all this eons ago, he would have known exactly what would happen -- it would unfold exactly as he desired. He could never be surprised, nor could he learn anything.

One does not have to believe in gravity for it to be a type of an absolute standard. Neither agreement nor knowledge are factors.

Mistakes and omissions in The Bible can only prove that the Bible isn't perfect.

True but gravity doesnt suddenly decide to change. If human morality followed some absolute set of rules it wouldnt chane and it would be the same. Its better explzined by being result of social insticts than some universal constant made especialy for humans.

In order for social animal to survive it has to cooperate with others

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universe was specialy tailored to those social animals

We can tolerate enormous mystery in physics. That there remain mysteries in morality shouldn't be a surprise.

True morality doesn't change. Should we discard all of science? it's made millions of mistakes.

Science is methodology for acquirring knowledge noone claims its absolute or perfect. While anything absolute by definition must be final, unchanging.

It is absolute, our understanding of it is not. You're confusing two different things

Forgive my lack of reading comprehension, I missed what you had said earlier. So would you say that this Mythic plane is composed of ideas that have proven transcendent by resonating again and again with the human condition? And that this causes them to "ascend" in some sense? Or would you say that these memes exist outside of humanity, and that humanity was destined to live them out by virtue of existing on the material plane?
I don't think a moral system has to tell you how to behave in every single circumstance. To respond to your specific criticism, I think there's actually a lot of evidence in the Bible to suggest that (as uncomfortable as this is for a modern audience) God is fine with certain types of slavery. The Bible refers to, and gives instructions about, slavery all over the place. God does criticize especially "harsh" forms of the practice in several verses though.

Okay where are those absolute morals? How do we see them/measure them/comemto understand them? By which methods do we increase our knowlede of them?

I think there are ways around that, such as a God that deliberately limited His foreknowledge in some way. It also seems to me that, because an omnipotent, omniscient God is definitionally beyond human comprehension, that even if it doesn't make sense to a human mind, there may be a way for God to know the future without eliminating free will. Of course, it could also be that God has predestined everything; I can't claim to know that with certainty.
Also, how does the Mythic plane interact with free will? And If there is no creator consciousness/consciousnesses, does your system have an answer for the origin of the universe?

I don't know, but my intuition tells me the Mythic Plane came first, and it rains or reflects down to us. The notion that human action could provide feedback that massages these higher truths is very interesting. Probably so! My lifespan might be to short to make relevant observations.

The Bible works on different levels. If you can't go further than the simple skydaddy concept you can still work within the same framework as someone with a deeper understanding. Common Christians used to get most of their theology from pictures. With Christianity Koko the gorilla and Christopher Langan can cooperate under the same God and trust they roughly share the same values.

There is no property of a subset of reality that isn't also a property of reality so consciousness is a property of reality. God is conscious.

Your perspective is the part of the biological mechanism that evaluates and chooses possible actions, all you are is free will and all you do is choose. The data used to evaluate each decision stretches back to the beginning of time, that doesn't cheapen the will.

You put forward a hypothesis and test it. Only that's really hard with moral issues that take a long time to work out like shooting people or the value of marriage so you have to largely rely on historical data, aka tradition.

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The location is probably where our conscious mind lives, our thoughts and dreams, the collective unconscious, Plato's forms. call it heaven, or the astral plane, or 99 things.

If God limited himself then he is no longer unlimited. This seems kind of silly, mental gymnastics attempting to square a circle. Next, the Mythic Plane is like a library of books, movies, memes, rules and abstract patterns that cast images of themselves down to us, often as fractals, often distorted – from our perspective. Further, I have no better explanation for what happened before the initial action than does anyone else

How are those morals different from subjective morals that "evolved" during time?
Its easy to imagine how basic moral of do nor kill became do not steal and do not lie. Just look at today while degenerage we got from slavery is bad/women are equal to respect everyone and every imaginary gender. In 100 years respecting sexual deviancy aka trans etc.. will be considered morality and future versions of you will claim we learned them from absolute sources

The existence of God doesn't imply absolute morals exist.
Just because God exists doesn't mean your Jewish fairy tales are true.

Like 1+1=2 is absolutely true even though all the components are constructed. 1+1 is and always was 2 like spreading death was always immoral even before time. As long as degeneracy X spreads death and chaos it will be immoral. According to the Bible eating pigs was considered a sin at a time and place where you were likely to die from it.

> 175216987 Agreed!

> 175216987 Agreed!

What can a magician pull out of a hat? That which he has placed in the hat. Consciousness is the rabbit, placed there by the magician, the magician that is god.

>Crime against Children

I don't share your confidence that we've correctly deduced correct morals. I notice a lot of very unhappy people who have access to any sex they choose and who also have lots and lots of material goods.

Im not confident just trying to illustrate subjectivity of morals. By claiming morality comes from absolute you get to justify everything. Isnt it obvious morals are product of culture? Sandniggers get to rape children and be moral, chinks get to eat dogs, ancient greeks got to be faggots etc etc

>Sandniggers get to rape children, greeks got to be faggots
They all pay if they aren't aligned with reality. You can rape children if you're willing to pay for that in social instability, psychological development of your people, etc etc. You can be a faggot and spread faggotry if you don't mind dying a pointless death, spreading death around you, AIDS etc etc. Eating dogs is fine.

I don't follow what you mean by the mystery of morality

It's not moral, it's their playbook. Objective morality belongs to no religion, its reality. And once again, our understanding of objective morality will evolve, just like our understanding of science.
For my own personal convenience, I say all theft is objectively wrong. Theft of property, of life, of wellbeing, it extends to everything

Mysteries IN morality. We don't understand true morality, and we don't understand true physics. We learn all the time and expand our knowledge. Some people seem to think that when i say there is a definition of absolute and true morality that I should understand it all. But no. Science as the human effort to understand is limited and flawed. Science as the laws of the physical universe are what they are, not flawed, not limited.

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You are misunderstanding what atheism is. It is a rejection to a claim

Can you supply a definition? Is it the rejection of organized religion? I could work with that

Watching vid now, but he's right British Common Law is ancient. Why are catholic founded countries worse than Christian founded ones? Christianity/Judeo is a huge label that doesn't help with specifics. The main point I'd make is that every human being "divine" was a huge leap from solely having a divine king

Theories like Kant's categorical imperative of universal morality presuppose still a reason to give a shit, which doesn't exist in nature, and thus could only be supernatural. If atheism were to entail belief in the implausibility of the supernatural, then atheism thus would also entail no reason to give a shit. Thus moral imperative can't exist non-arbitrarily in the atheist delusion. Fuck off already with silly notions of otherwise.

Morality is a cultural phenomenon. In reality, we're just animals, but as social creatures, we adopt rules for the preservation of our species. Science is involved, but emotion often dictates. I loathe multiculturalism, because of the competing interests

Morality is more than one thing. Morality is a cultural phenomenon, and there is also a higher morality. Sometimes the two intersect.

Lack of belief in a god or gods.

If you believe in a god or gods then you are a theist. If you do not believe in a god or gods then you are an atheist.

If you claim that a god does or does not exist then you have made a claim and therefore you have the burden of proof. You would have to provide evidence and of course you cant because god is an unfalsifiable claim.

So technically you are an agnostic atheist. Unless you claim that there is absolutely no god. Agnostic isn't a position it's like a description. But ultimately it is on a believer to prove their claim and they cant because well it's made up and the bible is man made. Its morality did not shape western values either. Watch the vid

I can't reject the claim that there is a "God," just because I don't believe the most popular religions of today. I find it all highly unlikely, but I can't prove anything either way. Though, I realize that the burden of proof isn't on me

Without humor we are truly in for trying time, possibly doomed.

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>Do we need god to make sense of life?
>Well God is what you use to make sense of your life, by definition. You have a hierarchy of values, you have to- otherwise you can't act, or you're painfully confused. Whatever is at the top of that hierarchy of values, serves the function of god for you. Now it might be a god you don't believe in, or a god that you can't name, but it doesn't matter because its god for you. And what you think about god has very little impact on how god is acting within you, whatever god it is that you happen to be following. -Peterson
This is what I mean by god, maybe reread the first two posts, if you have time of course! I'd much appreciate your feedback

And yes haha a few years back I did start referring to myself as an agnostic athiest- although most people just think you're retarded for claiming that

Humans like other animals evolved to be social. Working together was beneficial to the survival of not just the one but many. That is the reason for altruism. That's what a society it. Human cooperation. You are claiming that we cannot build upon the existing architecture and further define our morals.

Claiming that religion is morally correct is you making a moral judgement on your own without the help of a god or gods or w.e nonsense you believe.

That is how all moral judgments are made and you are not exempt from that. It just so happens that people who point to christianity support a morality that permits sexism homophobia and slavery and well you know the rest. It's a morally bankrupt religion

Yes but rejecting a claim without evidence is not making a claim. There are agnostic and gnostic theists and atheists. Most atheists are agnostic because it's basically the most honest and rational position.

Yes, that's the thing. Finding proof, finding meaning... these thing lie beyond our material senses. One "hint" is synchronicity. Once I started looking for meaning, I found it everywhere.

>God is dead!
>stop worshipping Him!
>your dogma is dead!
>please stop being Catholic?
>I promise that very soon my philosophy will replace dogma and religion!
>so please listen to me!
>would you PLEASE stop that worshipping?!?
>why won't you listen to me!?!
>I'm gonna make fun of you for being dumb!
>LISTEN TO ME!
Nietzsche was a joke and God is as alive today as He ever was.

>believes in evolution
>also is a Sodomite
Shocking development.

Proof?

Agreed, it seems Nietzsche was talking about something much more mundane, the abandonment of a dogmatic God that ran societal affairs

Ad hominem. Of course pol isn't the place for intelligent discussion

I'm still waiting prease

Christianity has 2 billions adherents.

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Agreed, it seems Nietzsche was talking about something much more mundane, the abandonment of a dogmatic God that ran societal affairs
And he overstated his case. The small victory of the Enlightenment convinced him that history was "progressing" inevitably away from God. The current turn-around was unforeseen by him and his ilk. His prophesy begins to unravel.

Evolution is such nonsense and your entire world view depends on it. LOL

Oh the literal regurgitation of JBPs attempt to make everything seem like a religion to validate his unsubstantiated claims of god?

He is arguing from a false premise to begin with. It's very dishonest and its word play. It sounds impressive to incels I guess.

I'd need to see the specific "claims of god" that you mention. I'm rather familiar with his youtubes, but there are so many. I think you've imagined something that wasn't there. Maybe?

It's not Judeo-Christian, it's just Christian. The values of judaism are the destruction of logos and the denial of the order of the universe.

Yeah I wasn't going to bother with the entire video, I get the gist of it. To pretend that christianity had nothing to do with where we are now is... silly

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Final

It (god) has never existed and the jews should be slaughtered for all of this made up shit.

Not the point whatsoever. Please try and read op before getting my hopes up with a reply. And yes kikes should hang

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>permits sexism homophobia and slavery
Why do you assume these are immoral in the first place? I think that's your own slave morality talking.