why is it that fascist politicians only come to the rise in eastern European countries? they fail in Germany, they fail in France, they fail in Britain, they fail everywhere but poor eastern European countries.where the ravages of Capitalism are most dramatic.
could it be that having failed as States the elites of those countries want to divert attention from the misery produced by Capitalism toward Gypsies, Arab broke refugees and some Protocols Of Zion tier conspiracy theory?
well, faggot?
Define fascism.
oh, come on, there are plenty of definitions on the internet
No, there aren't, and they're all crappy, disagreeable, ignorant of how people who claim to be fascists think and talk.
I want your definition and until I get it I don't believe we can have a conversation.
Facism is socialism hiding under a guise of nationalism.
>Ravages of capitalism
Sage and off to the gulags, faggot
Fascism arose in Germany as a response to communism. The kikes just happened to be behind communism, as they always are
>why is it that fascist politicians only come to the rise in eastern European countries?
Because there is not a single fascist politician in EE elected in parliament let alone in power.
They fail because it is still too comfy for alot of people here
Soviet Socialism didn't really indoctrinate people about white guilt so they don't really have the self-flagellation complex and fear of muh fascism that exists west of Poland.
ok, fascism is an ideal of a perfectly united, homogeneous, peaceful society. it excludes all differences within that society, it excludes class war/tension. the aim of fascism is complete order, cleanliness.
in order to produce this perfect unachievable peace it is forced to portrait an absolute "other". this "other" can take the form of some "exotic" refugee, a jew plotting to subvert the Order of the Nation, unruly workers, deviant's of all sorts.
nice capitalizations you fucking communistic kraut
i hope they let their citizens carry firearms soon so that your fag ass can sure as hell not take their shit and ruin the continent once again
Fascism is basically a combination of nationalism and (right-wing) State Capitalism.
fascist economy is corporativism
Private ownership of mean of production is allowed but it needs to serve the state.
I think fascist Italy had like, 75% state ownership of the economy at one point. Anyway, the State is always the owner of property at the end of the day, it just chooses to delegate this right to people, thus Private Property.
but the state is not neutral, the state is the apparatus of the bourgeoisie.
who hold the state? the state itself is nothing but offices, for there to be a state people need to occupy those offices, which people are those? the people who hold the wealth.
correct.
>private ownership of mean of production is allowed but it needs to serve the state
So it isn‘t allowed.
Don‘t give the morons any leeway
Japan pretty much fits this definition and Japan is doing well
wew quads
are you kidding me? japan is a disintegrating society, there are more then a million kids who cant find a reason to get out of their rooms, not even for a walk.
people in japan dont even have kids anymore, at most they have one, and when he grows up he needs to work very long hours to sustain the Japanese economy and by this pay for his parents pensions. japan is a very sick society
>when he grows up he needs to work very long hours to sustain the Japanese economy
Japanese work hours aren't that bad any more. Also, a lot of this has to do with the Japanese concept of "face". You can't be that guy who arrives later than your boss or leaves before your boss, so many Japanese sit there without really doing anything for much of the day. Japanese per-hour productivity is not that great.
still man, a society that cant find a reason to bring children to the word - well this speaks for itself.
at one point there would simply not be enough humans left to support Capital and the whole shit gonna collapse. come to think of it, its the ultimate form of resistance. saying "no". i wornt reproduce this shitty reality, i wont reproduce those conditions i am forced to live under. just build machines to power this shit. im done."
sounds like the perfect society to me
Maybe you should get your urge to suck dick looked at
we must secure the existence of our people and a future for white children
>could it be that having failed as States the elites of those countries want to divert attention from the misery produced by Capitalism toward Gypsies, Arab broke refugees and some Protocols Of Zion tier conspiracy theory?
This is ridiculous. Fascist Italy in particular was fairly tame. The reality is if the US had supported the Axis instead of the Allies we would be singing the glories of Fascism today, because the only thing that mattered during that war was who the US was going to be supplying.
All advanced economies have this problem. Rents are high due to immigration (leftist policy) and other left-wing housing policies. There is no incentive to have children, as you can rely on the State to take care of you when you are old (leftist policy). Women's education and birth control (leftist policies) also tank fertility rates. Women don't have time to raise children because they've been encouraged to be empowered and work (leftist policy). Non-religious societies also don't tend to retain replacement fertility for more than a generation or two (leftist policy).
So no, I don't think people are sitting there and thinking about how capitalist relations are so horrific that they refuse to reproduce. It makes little economic sense to do so, and there's no moral attachment to childbirth that you would have in a more religious society.
You're on the same level of Jow Forums's autistic missionaries. Communism is nearly as bad as fucking Nazism except you kill Ukrainians instead of Jews.
fascism is a transitional state, mostly, to return to the most basic values that make a society function. It just so happens to be that in order to make such a thing you need to remove a lot of bad stuff.
Sounds like how I work, then again the project managers (Pakistanis who prefer Indians over Christians because fuck you whitey) deliberately don't give me much work so I don't get ahead, fortunately all the senior staff know exactly what's going on.
See Notice how your definitions are directly conflicting? This is because "what is fascism" is an unsolved problem in pol sci, like the dimensions/weight/shape of the universe is an unsolved problem in physics.
>ideal of a perfectly united, homogeneous, peaceful society
Besides homogeneous, which I assume is either ethnic or culturally homogeneous, all idealistic ideologies believe this. They all believe their perfect ideas will unite everyone in peace.
>it is forced to portrait an absolute "other"
This is an idea you got from Simone de Beauvoir and applied into your definition, Sartre blew the fuck out of this when he asked her if white men chose to be born as white men and if not, how could they be blamed for existing in a state they had no control over?
I do somewhat agree though, my working definition of fascism is it's a form of authoritarian protectionism of specific demographic groups, and I won't specify if those groups must be ethnic, cultural or even sexual. Ultimately, fascism manipulates the people with an us and them mentality to gain followers and stir resentment or antagonism against easy scapegoats. It's only relation to socialism is its methods, a fascist would very readily accept redistribution or appropriation of capital, wealth or even opportunities (so as to prevent these people even starting a career to become successful in the first place).
Under my definition, the cultural Marxist who advocates affirmative action is absolutely a fascist.
You are my fascist, antifa, and from my point of view someone is playing a sick game with you when you very clearly mimic fascist aesthetic.
>the state of North Korea is the apparatus of the non-existent bourgeoisie
You might want to lighten up on the onions before you spread more AIDS through your faggotry
are you saying that Japan is to "leftist", and that's why they dont have kids?
Rent are high becouse of speculation, you idiot, its becouse in a capitalist society a person shelter is a commodity like any other. even caveman didnt look on their dwelling as a source of profit. a home is a home, not a business. its not some toy to be played with on the market
>Women don't have time to raise children because they've been encouraged to be empowered and work
you know, after the new deal a man could go to work and support a family with only one wage. who made the new deal? Roosevelt. you dumb prick. the same guy who taxed the rich 70%, a "leftist". you must confuse "leftists" with "liberals".
and im not even a socialist, im saying lets get rid of the whole shit.
>fascist
Fuck off.
Its simply because its pretty hard to sell us reheated bolshevism when we have jsut experienced it.
>i get all of my info about japan through the anime i watch
well, yeah skip to 1:00:07
Every single policy I mentioned in that paragraph was implemented as the result of left-wing activism.
>you must confuse "leftists" with "liberals".
The entire leftist worldview is "we are more liberal than the liberals", as in, it is the logical fulfillment of their nonsense.
>you know, after the new deal a man could go to work and support a family with only one wage.
Mussolini and Roosevelt were fans of each other, I've heard.
i really hate it when you guys lump me up with the socialists, but fine, ill play along....
Mussolini wasn't a friend of the workers, neither were the nazis
The Nazis:
-Privatized the state (one ruler / one owner)
-Privatized all 13 state owned industries
-Banned workers unions (the centerpiece of socialism)
-Banned strikes
-subsidized big corporations & agribusiness
-Relaxed gun laws, and rose to power on the failure of the Weimar Republic to confiscate their guns
-Were anti-immigration
-Killed Jews
-Killed gays
-Banned truth (burned books and killed progressive college professors)
-Banned Marxist & anarchist organizations and killed their members
-Were Social Darwinists (survival of the financially fittest)
Category
Education
all of them fought with the capitalist class against the working class. there is no "middle" in class war, no one can be neutral.
I support about 90% of the items you listed there, except I don't support actually killing gay people or Jews.
the funny thing about that comment is that you probably broke like most americans. you dont got no rich parents, your entire future consists in service sector jobs, credit card and student debt, and all other sorts of debt (car etc..)
all you life will be of the average worker, and you still want to think of yourself not as a worker but as an embarrassed milliner.
well kid, wake up and smell the desert. you have no future...its been sold off. no you're no gonna make it as a rock star.... and you cant just blame some ghetto dwelling black guy for that
Nah, I'm independently wealthy now and my family was upper middle-class. I have no debts and got a full scholarship for undergrad. I'm going back to grad school since I don't need to work any more.
More like, banned lies.
I don't see an inherent problem with an economic hierarchy. Or perhaps more accurately, we should socially promote innovation, intelligence, and success, and one way of doing that is economically. I'm skeptical of treating money as the primary way to reward greatness because spiritual wealth is far more important. Marxism is a materialist ideology that destroys all notion of the spiritual and so I am opposed to it.
well, if that's really how it is with you then at least your position is consistent, what are you studying anyway?
theoretical physics
lol, i bet you are
Marxism would import billions of Africans into white countries to level the economic playing field. That would plunge today's typical American into profound poverty. Marxism is not the solution to "debt slavery" of Americans.
>the ravages of Capitalism are most dramatic.
You are thinking of the U.S., and Switzerland. Where else do people get health insurance from Private companies?
The reason that Fascism is so popular in Eastern Europe is that they came out of communism. If communism didn't work, then the intuitive thing is to do the opposite of communism, i.e. Fascism.
there is no difference between materialism and idealism ("spiritual") in Marx. the body is simply organized spirit. actually, Marx is just one more "spiritual" prophet the kind of which is sited 2 millennia ago
What is utopian in communism is already found in the apocrypha of that age:
And equal land for all, divided not/By walls or fences, [...] and the course/Of life be common and wealth unapportioned./For there no longer will be poor nor rich,/ Tyrant nor slave, nor any great nor small,/Nor kings nor leaders; all alike in common/
Believe whatever you want lad.
Interestingly in the US we had various groups, often of the same immigrant origin, who would pool resources to purchase health insurance. The medical lobby attacked this, and Progressives, who concluded that anyone with an advanced degree must be right, concluded that something had to be done. It was also part of an "Americanization" effort since many of these organizations were made by immigrants, as in, Italian organizations, irish organizations, and so on.
If there are, then provide one
Book of Psalms
This ancom shit is total nonsense. At least the Soviets had the sense to appoint a dictator and realize that you can only hold property in common through the delegation of some central power.
wasnt even going to reply but the retards who are actually entertaining OP's question: do you know fucking anything about history? because if you did you'd know at least 3/4th of all eastern european countries lived under communism and the soviet union for decades. they were never fascist and aren't today.
Two sides of the same destructive coin.
Fascism is a third path that will secure Nationalism.
That is why I am a Fascist
Any nonzero amount of nationalism is fascist by leftist logic, it's best not to think too hard about it.
Capitalism is jewish, Capitalism is cosmopolitan and globalist. You cant be an anti capitalist and be okay and support jews and multiculturalism. Capitalism has created misery, and guess what? Arabs and gypsies raping your country are part of that misery
dude you are a Anarchist who gives a shit on what you believe in.
nationalism was from the very start a way of uniting the poor and the rich, its a glue for the oppressed to keep them stuck with their oppressor.
dont hate the white american banker who gambled away you life! hate the arab Immigrant, hate the black ghetto dwelling youth, hate the jews, hate whoever the fuck ever but just remember: you are american, the banker is an american, We are a team baby!
20th century fascism was generally opposed to capitalism(do you even know what that means op?)
Unless you are more specific we're gonna have to file your thread under "low IQ trash".
This "working class solidarity" nonsense was already tried, though. In the first place it only went anywhere due to Hohenzollern-bucks given to Lenin, and the Soviets were rapidly forced to adopt a comparably sane governance structure (left-wing state capitalism + quasi-monarchy).
>nationalism was from the very start a way of uniting the poor and the rich, its a glue for the oppressed to keep them stuck with their oppressor.
But marx was opposed to Nationalism. Communism is a cosmopolitan ideology where Nationhood is dissolved and people forget about what made their like unique
Yeah you're totally convincing us to let all of Africa into our nations because they're exactly equal to us! Just fuck off and die your ideology is based on the lie of class struggle.
They mention Jobbik in the video? Haven't they cucked?
They tried to go full leftist, fell on their faces and imploded with the party currently splitting right now.
and what makes you "unique"? you drink the same coffee at Starbucks world wide, you live in architecture that is progressively the same no matter where it is, you use the same I phones everywhere you go, you have the same bullshit "opinions" as everybody else (we must have a good economy, people are assholes, "communism" failed) you drive the same Uber, the Same airbnb, the same stupid fashion, same same same same.
you are not some unique snowflake becouse what you ancestors did, you have no real connection with them, shit man, i can become whatever nationality just like that, its all fucking images on a screen, the same world wide spectacle of capital
>that weird fucking westcuck obsession with "unique" again
Im not a capitalist.
Your false dichotomy is a jewish lie
Define fail
It's all up to how you define "to own something", which is I think a spectrum.