Why did Hitler invade the Soviet Union?

Germany planted the Marx virus in Russia. It was coming back.

Stalin was waiting for the west to exhaust itself fighting each other, and then he was going to move in for the kill.

Sure, even still though the best the Japs could hope for is to occupy thousands of miles of wasteland in Siberia with no real value. The Japs could only thrust so deep into Russia before stretching their supply lines too thin like the Germans had done in the West. Besides, Japan had limited manpower and they already had a disproportionate amount of their army dealing with China and occupying Manchuria

He saw the real threat. The soviets planned to attack Germany. If he had ignored them the germans would have been holodomered.

is there any bigger case of historical karma then when the Germans got defeated and occupied by the very regime they helped install?

Oil wells at Baku. Didn't make it, ran out of motive power.

We are awash in energy, so we forget how badly it matters in scarcity.

Hitler was a freemason jew and the faster people realize he was installed to genocide the germans the faster you will pull yourself out of the hole jews dug for you

>Germany planted the Marx virus
(((Germany)))

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Read a history book, daft.

We're all occupied now aren't we?

No, I'm for one glad we defeated the kraut autism. Have some fucking pride mate

Something poetic about how you make your own demons

I not an expert on economics, or the NatSoc economy, but I heard it was terrible. Perhaps an economic crash was on the horizon and Germany invaded before it happened. They obviously would not have been able to fight a war in a depression.

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This, you are actually pretty smart for an American

Motherfucking bump. Come on every time I post the thread dies what the fuck.

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You can't rationally explain the actions of a madman

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We were unlucky in that battle. We had numerical disadvantages and had the low ground but still managed to inflict more casualties to the Soviets. We had China to deal with so we couldn't afford a second front.

He was gambling for UK's support against bolshevism, and he lost.

You're pretty smart for an Israeli

Not as smart as a Hebrew though.

So the economy was terrible. Understood.

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Pre emptive strike

Because the Soviet Union was amassing an army to invade Western Europe and Hitler knew that it'd be too late if they didn't invade them right away. If they would have let the Soviets build up more then the Soviets would have easily rolled through Europe and the Germans would have been obliterated, quite literally. They would have taken all of mainland Europe. Just look up the production level of Soviet tanks before they invaded, then look at what they got to during it.

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Your west coast universities have been the source of marxist generations since.
It's filtered from there back to Europe. You think I'm not proud? I am. We're losing t it.

(((Germany))) you mean their banks along with the UK and US banks. Hmmm why did the banks of all the major WW1 powers take out another major power with Bolsheviks leading the take over??

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Yes Stalin could not invade in 1941 which is exactly why Germany attacked. Do you really think they were going to wait until the Soviets were actually ready?

Based on the amount of territory the Soviets had taken, and were continuing to demand in the name of peace, it was obvious to everyone war was inevitable. He decided to attack them while he had the element of surprise. The Soviets were just going to get stronger every year.

Besides that, Hitler was terrified of communism spreading in Germany. In WWI, Germany used communism as a weapon against Russia, deliberately sending communist POWs back home and sending Lenin and friends back to Russia, ETC. It was the internal struggle that destroyed Imperial Russia. Soviet Russia could easily destroy Germany from the inside too.

And finally, Hitler thought Russian Poland was German Clay.

"To test the Japanese defences prior to their main assault on 20 August, the Soviets launched three aggressive probing assaults, one on 3 August and the others on 7/8 August. All three were disastrously thrown back, with around 1,000 combined dead and several tanks knocked out on the Soviet side compared to just 85 Japanese casualties."

>85 Jap casualties..

>1000 Soviet casualties

Yeah they were just probes but what the fuck...

Was Teddy Rosenfeld german?

Totally unneeded if Army Group North hadn't sat around leningrad for years doing nothing.

In the 30s japs wanted to expand and were chosing between south (china) or north (ussr) strategy. They chose china, mainly because they got Btfo in border skirmishes. Some generals even proposed alliance with china aimed at USSR. But japs got bogged down in china so the had no hope of invading siberia. Tojo said to Hitler that he wil attack only when major european cities of ussr are conquered and when siberia is in open revolt. Stalin didnt knew this and kept forces in the east. Then his agent Dr Sorge founs out Japs wont attack. Stalin moved siberian divisions west and they came just in time to encircle 6th german army at stalingrad.
Trivia:while german troopes were starving to death in winter at stalingrad, there was PoW camp inside the pocket called Dulag 205. You can guess how much food the PoWs got when their captors lived on 100grams of bread a day and bit of raw horse meat. Probably the worst place to be in during the whole war

Am I Jew for agreeing with someone that the Soviet Union wasn't gonna invade in 1941?

Are you a retard? Soviets has 2/3 of their armed forces destroyed in first 6 weeks of campaign. If they hadn’t been able to bring almost all of their divisions from Siberia to the west they would have gotten wrecked.

Yes because it's an incredibly Jewish tactic. "oy goy they weren't going to invade in 1941!" while omitting that they would have invaded in the years following 1941. You're right, which is fine, but you're purposely leaving out valuable information.

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>Probably the worst place to be in during the whole war
See, this is the problem with Communism.

If it was a capitalist country, someone could have printed a t-shirt for the people at Stalingrad that said "'I'd rather be at Auschwitz' -Stalingrad 1942" and made a mint.

Because he saw that if he didn’t take out the USSR then America and Britain would supply them with weapons to eventually invade Germany. A first strike when Stalin least expected it was the best option available, only the invasion of the Balkans ended up costing the Wehrmacht greatly.

Stalin was a CommIntern, so Hitler knew that invasion from Communist Russia was both inevitable, and imminent considering the change in the Russia Supply situation (thanks to LendLease from the USA), which was historically their Achilles Heal.

Considering Hitler was already fighting in several theatres, moving pre-emptively to cripple the USSR was really the only chance of victory in that situation.

Hitler's only unjustifiable decision was Danzig. He should've predicted a declaration of war and positioned a force to take Gibraltar the second Britain declared. With the Axis powers in absolute control of the Mediterranean and North Africa, and the Kriegsmarine securing the French Fleet and Mers-el-Kebir; the USA would've likely second-guessed Lendlease for Britain. Britain would've capitulated, and the Nazis would've had European Jews shipped off to Madagascar.

We'd probably be on Mars by now. Sigh... what could've been.

Imagine being a crybaby like Hitler who blamed losing to the Soviets to Musolini for not taking Greece.

Also not many ppl know this, but USSR army was in the state of reformation. They had like 1,5mil troops in 1939 and some 4mil in 1941. This massive expansion was supposed to be longer process. Many tank and motorized division had their vehicles only on paper, there was severe lack of officers, and on top of that many were purged and those who remained were either very green or civil war veterans who still thought that cavalry charges are legit. They also had no proper doctrine because Tukachevskys deep operation doctrine (similar to blitzkrieg) was counting on using tanks and abolishing mounted troops. Cavalry officers from civil war didnt liked this so they turned on him and eventually pushed stalin to the purges. Tukachevsky doctrine was a big no no until like 1943.
1941 was literally the best time to attack USSR because ongoing reorganization of the army made it extremely ineffective. Germs didnt know this, their intelligence on ussr was very poor. But they were lucky.

Such massive expqnsion of the army show that stalin surely planned to invade europe. In 1941 he was even demanding that soviet troops should be allowed to be stationed in bulgaria and romania. Which basically meant he wanted to take them over. But germs couldnt afford losing romanial as it was pretty much the only country that produced oil for them

No you are a Jew because I am God

>I am God
Careful there Muhammed don't take Allah's name in vain now, you might be thrown off a building.

the Soviets have lost over 50% of their Male fighting age population, it wasn't exactly hard to inflict casualties on them
a fucking Incompetent herd

You should mention the tutelage of Moses Hess, who worked for Rothschild, every time Marx is mentioned.

Because the Soviets were preparing a massive offensive to conquer Western Europe. Had Hitler waited to invade them, the offensive would've begun. Despite failing to bring down the Union, he stopped them from conquering all of the West.

Self defense

he invaded the soviet union because of the british blockade of Germany. No joke, Britain did everything it could in both WW1 and 2 to prolong the wars and kill as many millions of people as they could. as early as 1916 Germany magnanimously offered Britain peace terms on a status quo ante basis. Hitler spent all of ‘39 and ‘40 offering the Britbongs peace. The eternal Anglo though he could profiteer bu driving the continent into further war but all he ended up doing was losing his entire empire

thought he could

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>1916 Germany magnanimously offered Britain peace terms on a status quo ante basis
The 1916 peace offer is a meme, it was fucking retarded. It basically forced the allies to pay reparations, and left the door open for german imperialism to spread.
The British could've done more to negotiate peace though, and Hitler's peace offers were legit.

he had to. kill or be killed.

the peacetime NS economic recovery was better than The New Deal according to Hans Hermann Hoppe

>Why did Germany preemptively invade a country that had millions of soldiers on their border, and who history has shown had planned on invading anyway?
There would have been a war, regardless of who declared it first. Hitler thought that by invading the Soviets first, by catching them off guard while they were still relatively weak, that he could achieve an early victory.

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>It basically forced the allies to pay reparations
France specifically, they demanded colonial holding and money. However, the peace terms for the british had no demands.

>en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rhineland
Also fun fact that was wiped from the history books, the French would go into the demilitarized Rhineland and straight up murder and steal from German workers. They left little snippets of it in still because they can't flat out deny occupying Rhineland but they will definitely not mention how they attacked and stole from the German civilians.

>Shortly after, France completely occupied the Rhineland, strictly controlling all important industrial areas. The Germans responded with passive resistance and hyperinflation; the French gained very little of the reparations they wanted. French troops did not leave the Rhineland until 1925.

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>the peace terms for the british had no demands
Yes, but it would've put a german-friendly government in Belgium, granting the germans great strategic advantage for a possible future invasion of Britain.
The British naval aspirations didn't help either, Germany was rapidly challenging their dominance of the seas.

The Treaty of Versailles was a crime, and a rape of the German peoples.

>but there's no indication Stalin was preparing to invade in 1941,
Yeah and there was no indication that Hitler had a problem with Jews

In essesnce, the Anglo; his Island surrounded by Uboats and his food stocks which will not last another month, decides that instead of accepting peace terms which will end the largest war in human history, he will enter in a coalition with Zionists worldwide to drag the United States into the war. All these millions of youth casualties exclusivley for the Blafour declaration and the benefit of the Jewish people. Makes you wonder about the (((British war cabinet)))

The Anglo should've negotiated rather than flat out deny such terms. France was never going to accept, and if they abandoned France, it would only allow the Germans full control of the continent, something that the Brits could not abide. So, they should've negotiated a more acceptable peace offer and strongarmed France into agreeing with them.

I don't get why the British were so brash about not wanting peace. I see so many people worship the warmongerer Churchill from Britain and it makes no sense. They lost their entire empire because of him. The Germans, in their concessions, promised to even help the British to maintain their vast Empire should they negotiate peace with Nazi Germany. What possible reason did they have for giving all that up? They had nothing to gain on mainland Europe.

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now that is just Anglo paranoia. They had far more resources to draw from in a protracted war, and an invasion of their fortress Island would practically be suicide. I won’t deny that their naval dominace was in a time of challenge. It really got rekt in 1914-16, especially merchant shipping. They could have built it back up very quickly with the offered peace.

Not really. It was jewish traitors in Germany that sided with lenin, the same ones that hitler removed.

Oh WWII they should've accepted Hitler's offers for peace. I was talking about the offers in WW1.

Churchill was pro war candidate and prior to the war he literally had no job but lived opulent life in his mansion thanks to being bankrolled by many individuals and even governments who wanted to push Britain into war with germany. Czechoslovakia was one of them, likely hoping to secure itself that way.
Anyway when he got to power the war was on and there was no way of stopping it. It ultimately didnt matter what the plebs thought about it. You just create some elaborate propaganda on why war must go on and all is fine.
Cnurchill pretty much didnt give a fuck about attrocities, because he literally wrote a book about the history of war and portraied himself as he wanted to be seen. That madman even planned to bomb europe with anthrax ffs.
As for the uboats, when brits improved their anti submarine tactics and equipment by 1942, the uboats factor diminished greatly with every month. And prior to that germans had shitty torpedoes so they did much less damage than they could before british sub defences cought up

thats because germany always seeks out the worst "allies".

leningrad was supposed to be handled by finland. but they pussied out and so germany AGAIN had to do it all alone.

Japs were supposed to distract MILLIONS of soviet soldiers on the far eastern front but they pussied out and germany had to do it ALONE again.

Italy was supposed to build up it's army and keep cool but nooo let's invade africa greece and yugoslavia and fail horribly. Now goymoney has to divert half the entire army to south europe and start stupid endless useless invasions of useless countries and places like creta instead of invading with the full army in late april.

only based allies were romania and croatia and they were basically satellite puppet states

King of Jews does not get thrown off buildings.

>They could have built it back up very quickly with the offered peace
But the Germans would've built their navy just as quickly.
It was Anglo paranoia, but it was a different time in WW1, It was the age of Imperialism, not Ideology.
In WW2, the Germans extended the hand of friendship and alliance. In WW1, the Germans offered nothing but a powerful Rivalry.
It was Anglo paranoia, but paranoia was the currency of empires back then, it was a different time.
Again, I dont support the British decision to snub the German peace offering, and I think they should've done far more to come to an accord.

>King of Jews does not get thrown off buildings.
No, he just gets put into the oven.

>It was jewish traitors in Germany that sided with lenin

The FUCKING KAISER himself helped install the Soviet regime what are you talking about?

To be fair, the Italians not having a ready army was the germans their own fault. They kicked of the war before the Italians were ready even though Mussolini told Hitler multiple times that he needed more time

Nips would have been fucked by the US oil embargo in the long run. But "greatest ally" lost basically every single encounter with the US after Pearl Harbor. The Reich had no meaningful ally and it was impossible to win without the British Empire.

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>Japs were supposed to distract MILLIONS of soviet soldiers on the far eastern front

The Germans and Japanese never arrived to such an agreement

Eternal Anglo, please

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The Kaiser was in cahoots with the Jews before they thought they could reclaim the holy land by working with the brits. The German Empire was very good to the jewish community and the stab in the back meme is not just a meme

>We couldn't affort a second front
>Attacks the USA
Bingbong chicken noodles

(((who))) could be behind this post

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>thats because germany always seeks out the worst "allies".
Lets not forget WW1, where they fought the russians, french, british and americans, whilst lugging the Austro-Hungarian "Empire", a complete shitshow, and the Ottoman "Empire", the sick man of europe, and still nearly won.

>we need MORE TIME
>btw we invaded 3 countries send help
Wat?
no one forced italy to invade half the mediteranian. all they had to do was hold the line in the south and send some troops for Barbarossa. but even holding the south was obviously too much. already crumbling and failing in 1943 in sicily

>the stab in the back meme is not just a meme

It is a meme in that the German Army was defeated in the field and not by subversive elements on the homefront. You honestly think the Germans could have miraculously won after the hundred days offensive?

Is there a bigger karma than the white Americans getting eradicated by the very communists and Jews YOU fought for and with?

I don't think so, chaim.

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Everything that happens to you is well deserved.

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>very communists and Jews YOU fought for and with?

yea we loved the commies so much we fought a cold war against them for decades. don't be so sensitive meme flag, the Germans did indeed helped install the Soviets. If it wasn't for mass German support the commies would have never succeeded.

take off your meme flag mutt I wanna see your stars and stripes

If I see him I will tell you

>Attacks the USA
>implying the US wasn't involved with Japan in the first place with the Flying Tigers and Lend Lease to China
Because (((FDR))) was constantly baiting us to attack so he could get the US involved in the war. If the bait didn't work, then he would have used other means to attack us instead.

I don’t know what you mean by this. The idea is that Germany was betrayed by Jewish financieers and their community after being welcomed into German society. If the Jews had bettayed the Germans and sided with their enemies, then yes I believe Germany could have won.

Plus the SU had been viewed as a weak enemy at the time, after their war with Finnland.

Not surprised the best post so far comes from an Australian.

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>Because (((FDR))) was constantly baiting us to attack so he could get the US involved in the war

the ONE condition we had for you Japs was to not get involved in French IndoChina and you did so anyway. Don't complain like a little puss when we then put the embargo on you after your chimpout

Romanians failed to hold the flanks in Stalingrad, so the army got encircled.
>inb4 bad equipment