What did he get wrong?

fpbp
and married a scottish one too

central banking = communism
there is no capitalism going on right now.
You worthless rape baby

comunism was the ideal ideology for the time.. when the worker was exploited in every way possible and lived in extreme poverty... you see comunism is an outdated ideology, today comunism only good to remind the capitalists that the workers deserve rights.After all, the best way to fight comunism is by improving capitalism.

lol

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he only got one thing right

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time to fix your thinking with hot fast lead

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His writings have 2 sides, the critique and the solution.

the critique was correct. The solution was way off.

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the core message of communism is that you should not get cucked by money and rich people.

the goal of economy should always be kept in mind. economy should serve us not reverse.

obviously his theories have flaws and actual communism is impossible to implement. that doesnt mean that its all bullshit and you absolutely have to suck rich peoples cock even if it killst the earth and all its peoples.

i mean what is the final goal of capitalism? sofar we are en route to an overpopulated hellhole were the 1% absolutely crush everyone else.

and you just swallow it and repea the rich people propaganda like the good sheeple you are.

We're not gonna top this. Except to say he doesn't understand humans because he's a jew

wWOOwwwoo reeeptilz AnD shEt

> what is the final goal of capitalism
Free society and equality of opportunity

Final goal of capitalism is to sell your daughter for the next meal

C'mon, anarchy is a temporary patch of life until people form government. At least AnCap™ Gets you the Recreational McNukes™ concept.

nice!
proving once again that infant genital mutilation does in fact cause autism and irreparable brain damage which leads to child raping communists like yourself

Just like venezuela right?

>flag
Checks out

litteraly buzzwords, how naive can you be?

the rich people are wrecking your asshole right now and you happily accept it.

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Chiefly he couldn't predict the brief peruiod where the government serving the people would legally protect their class as labor in forming protected unions with striking power to force concessions from capital.

Now that that era has passed his predictions will either come true or it's back to the caste system of landed serfs.

Are you implying Class Struggle isn't a real thing?

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Didn't use contraception with his maid

PeOpol r EAtinG rAtZ And SHeT

go lick modi's asshole

Based.

the government is wrecking our asshole by it's mere existence. The rich only get richer because of the spineless cowards in leadership

>or it's back to the caste system

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did you just defend venezuela?

Everythi g since his ethos is in the dustbin and only asylum rejects take it seriously anymore.
Im sure 80% of commie larps are trolls

**sips coffee**

Bhangi katue

we need to restrict the power of the rich people before they completely enslave us. power must be distributed to the people, its the only way to stay free and surive as human beings.

the rich must not win!

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exactly

>i mean what is the final goal of capitalism? sofar we are en route to an overpopulated hellhole were the 1% absolutely crush everyone else.
heres what these college kids who like to larp as communist revolutionaries on the weekend can never understand. SOMEONE has to rule and you have to work to provide for yourself. leftys want to have their cake and eat it too. a lot dont want to work, or they do work but they also want free gibs when really they contribute very little themselves. they dont want to be ruled, but they want someone to rule others so the more productive people are forced to provide free gibs to the lazy unproductive bastards (lefties) of society. these communist larpers are a fucking joke.

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>What did he get wrong?
the entire labor theory of value

fpbp

How is it the fault of capitalism then?

right wing people like you are getting assblasted by Kanhaiya Kumar

abbh gandway apny baapon comrads ko tou rok lo apny mulk mein phir humara lun bhi pakar lyna

He wasn't too ideological. The 2nd wave guys are more ideological the the first guy.

He didn't get a haircut and didn't shave.
100% chance of homosexuality.

yeah, but capitalists dont work at all which pretty much makes your point useless.

they also betray you by dont paying fair wages. the answer is to organize and demand higher prices for work (unions).

also, what you dont realize is that working doesnt give you the right to own anything. the land belongs to the people and all of the people, no matter how much they work, how productive they are or how much money they own.

or else the chinese could just buy the usa, call it new china and deport all the americans.

your points are false and misleading.

Leafs don't have a leg to stand on in criticizing the economic Left while you have Single Payer to subsidize your wages and equalize your standard of living.

If the differential accumulation of wealth were more evenly distributed they'd have little leftover to lobby government to give them protected legal rights over the voting constituency.

economics in general. just awful. but on predicting history and sociology he had a pretty clear understanding that most today still don't get imo.

where he really fucked up was 1915. the working class didn't rebel in the West against their masters over a dumbass war. they only rebelled in Russia, which was in the infancy stages of industrialization, after 2.5 years of brutal warfare. and even then, the communists still had to force a revolution. the Bolsheviks were only supported by about 25% of the population...ironically largely by ethnic minorities who wanted independence, and were later crushed (except for the Poles).

Germany had a socialist revolution after 4 years of warfare, but the people were just tired of the war. after the war ended and the monarchy was disposed of, socialists, communists, fascists, and conservatives all clashed, and Germany moved into a state of hyper-nationalism.

meanwhile in Russia, communism never appeared. it leaped from early capitalism into late-stage socialism. which was repealed with the NEP, into medium stage socialism. along with many other social reforms such as the legalization of divorce, abortion, homosexuality. the people become terrorized, not free. and things slowly went back to normal over the rest of the century.

well you are right, its the peoples fault, that they allow such practices. capitalism itself is innocent, its in its nature to prey on the people.

His whole life work was wrong. And the deaths of millions still don't prove anything to you.

You fucking morons will learn in one decade that smoking is bad for you because the government told you, but when Stalins police force shot a guy that couldn't shovel all the snow off a government building in a snowstorm, you guys just go "well it's never been tried before".

You people who ask this question are so unbelievably lazy.

Capitalism is consensual business practice. Socialism is helicopter parenting in business.

In capitalism, you know what's best for you and you make your own deals. In socialism, it doesn't matter of you're rich, the government tells you how you get to spend your money. And if you're poor, they tell you what your needs are. "Not everyone NEEDS toilet paper. Why do you? You think you're special, capitalist?"

Venezuela is socialist even though 2/3rds of the economy is privately owned but Denmark and China aren't amirite

Nothing stupider than a libertarian except an ancap

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>Dude don't listen to those Jews lmao! Listen to this Jew instead!

Sometimes I try to give Communists the benefit of the doubt, not often but it happens, and then I remember how thick as fuck you all are. You literally fight for serfdom, but under a new name, and somehow think this equates to absolute freedom.

it's pretty weird how the socialist left has gone from being a workers' movement to an anti-work movement. parasites, really.

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Wrong. It's not preying. You just don't like the thought of competing with someone smarter than you because then you perceive some form of imagined loss. You're both mutually gaining in a deal.

Another reason you should go to school, to be the best version of you possible to learn how to be strong and compete with others.

the west implemented socialist ideas. thats how they stopped a communist revolution. if not for the violent russian commies we would all be slaves right now.

PRAISE MARX PRAISE LENIN PRAISE THE REVOLUTION

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There are no classes, only bloodlines.

Humans

this

>if the rich people get disowned they win dude
>jews dude

WAKE THE FUCK UP! YOU ARE BEING LIED TO ON A MASSIVE SCALE

>yeah, but capitalists dont work at all which pretty much makes your point useless.
incorrect, capitalist actually work all the time. most work 10-12 hours a day to build wealth. the difference is they put their time and resources into things that build wealth, whgich is different than making money.
>they also betray you by dont paying fair wages. the answer is to organize and demand higher prices for work (unions).
if youre willing to work for that wage then it really cant be all that unfair. also the lower the wages you pay the lower quality workers you get as a general rule.
>
also, what you dont realize is that working doesnt give you the right to own anything. the land belongs to the people and all of the people, no matter how much they work, how productive they are or how much money they own.
lol, nigger please.

right now even with the suppressed wages and higher cost of housing the middle class in the est is the most prosperous middle class the world has ever seen. everyone has a flat screen tv, an iphone, an xbox, they live in a safe structurally sound home, and have lots to eat. the poor in the west have so much to eat they are obese.

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who says the people know how to run shit?

>Leafs don't have a leg to stand on in criticizing the economic Left while you have Single Payer to subsidize your wages and equalize your standard of living.
wtf are you talking about? you clear dont have any idea what the medical system is like in canada. if you have to get and operation, or see a specialist the wait is anywhere from several months to years and we still have to pay for our prescriptions and other medical expenses.

To be completely honest most of us, I included would want this structure to actually work. Buuuut we're not fooled. As long as humans have freedom of choice it will never work.

stop strawmanning, im not your typical leftyfag social studies major with red hair screaming "your a fucking white male"

im just woke as fuck.

Jow Forumsacks are so invested in their race war that they forget that there is also another war going on, class war.

dont be blind to that.

>it's pretty weird how the socialist left has gone from being a workers' movement to an anti-work movement. parasites, really.
especially since this larping idiot on the board here is arguing for unions and compalning about low wages but doesnt want borders so the market can be flooded with cheap labour for big business. theyre not communists theyre just lazy bastards who want free gibs.

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it's all the same shit

>implying the elites do

listen loser i gave you a chance to have an actual debate and its not my fault you exposed yourself as an idiot with no argument after 2 posts.

this is the problem with you larpers youre surface level thinkers, youre unproductive, lazy, and you believe yourselves to be much more intelligent than you actually are.

develop a skill, get a job, and stop being a lazy bastard because thats the only way youre going to get out of your mothers basement.

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I live in Russia. trust me, the Bolsheviks created a society of slavery not unlike Russia before 1861.

I'm not sure how it is in Leafistan and Europe, but Unions in the United States are dying out for a reason. people don't like them anymore.

i study at college while also working part time...

as i said dude, stop strawmanning.

i do live in my mothers basement though, biut thats the fault of capitalism since rents in my area are over the top while many apartments are empty. this is the kind of policy that communism wants to stop.

>i study at college while also working part time...
so your unproductive and unskilled, its no wonder you live in your parents basement.

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Communism

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implying the czar wasnt even worse. secret police, gulags, killing of dissenters, senseless wars against foreign powers, mass starvation etc.

czarist russia had it all.

continueing to suck his cock instead of manning up would have made things only worse.

what was the critique then?

?

he is the product of capitalism you wage cuck

He wasn't Juche
>implying incentives don't exist in Socialism

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Reality, There is no equality between men, so gommunism can never exist in the real world. That's why it wasn't real gommunism. Gulag for everyone in this thread.

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what i said was pretty straightforward. do you honestly expect to own a home while working part time attending college? you believe this is the fault of capitalism? - the fact that youre too unskilled and inexperienced to earn a higher wage?

>Price controls
>Expropriation
>Incarceration of owners of companies that can't produce at the established prices
>Privately owned

Bet in your reddit circles this opinion gets you a lot of praise.

This is a false value based on desire or perceived desire, the fetishisation of product which he was spot on about.

>he is the product of capitalism you wage cuck
by attending college?

He didn't know the concept of value, that's the biggest problem with communism.

>juche
>working
north korea is literally holding seoul hostage for aid, lmao

>le incentive only exists in capitalism meme
never fails to make me think....

Liberals=/=Socialist, most people who call themselves socialist don't know the meaning of socialism or capitalism.

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>secret police, gulags, killing of dissenters, senseless wars against foreign powers, mass starvation
so...like...the Soviet Union? at least the Russian Empire didn't have exit visas.

Capitalism isn't based on merit, it's based on POWER and control. Any idiot with a bunch of money can buy up condos and collect rent because housing is scarce what are the proles gonna do otherwise? Pitch a tent or live in their cars (some do)?

The return on financial assets grows faster than actual economic output.

who said anything about owning? even rent is so high that is literally impossible to rent even a garage near the uni.

in the blocks near the uni half of the apartments are empty because people hoard them as "investment" objects. such people should be taxed into oblivion.

I'd rather live in North Korea then South Korea and North Korea is poor because the (((US))) has stooped any country in the world from trading with it.

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oh yes, the no true scotsman maymay.

because capitalism made things so unstable and difficult to reach, its better to be lazy and live in your mom's basement

Wrong. Rent is high because of rent control in large cities. And high crime.

High crime = higher insurance rates = higher costs passed on to the customer.

Rent control limits mean rich people hold on to property longer driving a need for more housing. Where's the cheapest real estate? The neighborhood with most crime. Land developers, buy the land, reinvest, rebuild, causing poor purple that commit crime out of the area, thereby bringing the value of the neighborhood up. With it, higher property taxes (too high for the poor). And the insurance rates down (a good deal for the rich). Anyone who wouldn't buy now looks at the gentrification as a sweet deal, and they buy. Rightly so.

You're a college kid. You're not woke. You're broke.

In ten years you'll have a house or your own condo. And you won't even be thinking of this. Capitalism let's people make their own deals. Socialism is helicopter parent business practices. The helicopter parents created rent control (some politicians moral escapade that doesn't require him to pay for anything while gaining votes from the poor that only have a surface level understanding that government policy will save them from themselves). And the capitalists literally made life better (for those who owned and had their values increase) and better looking when they gentrified.

Don't say you're not a commie. You're blaming the world instead of asking what you can do better. That's what losers do.

>proclaim autarky
>starve when people don't trade with you

the absolute state of Juche

No you're really dumb. USSR under Stalin was true Socialism, Maoist China was true Socialism, Juche Korea is true Socialism. "True Socialism" has been tried and it worked.

>Capitalism isn't based on merit, it's based on POWER and control. Any idiot with a bunch of money can buy up condos and collect rent because housing is scarce what are the proles gonna do otherwise? Pitch a tent or live in their cars (some do)?
theres nothing wrong with that. he had to earn the money to buy the houses to generate wealth so he could buy more houses. if you cant afford a house would you prefer to rent, or be homeless? or do you expect someone to gibs you a free house when you work as a s-o-y-b-o-y coffee makers for $10/hr?