What would it take for Jow Forums to reconsider communism?
hold a gun to our heads
only if its in the form of AI
A lobotomy.
Just admit already you only like the aesthetic of communists and don't actually understand nor care about the practice of communism.
Nationalist and socialist and fascist aesthetics are super on-point. I honestly think that when the Republicans or a future right-wing party rolls out black uniforms, masses of teenagers will turn full fash from the aesthetics and edginess alone.
A woman that’ll let us put a baby in her
It's less than 1000 people and we all know and care about each other. Free trade exists from village to village. I'm allowed to worship.
state supplied gf
The government paying me $200,000 a year
this
Communism lost. It always will.
Suck my freedom cock.
That's not a girl, user.
The extermination of 95% of the human population and the implementation of a fully automated workforce.
Death
this commie larping shit is so fucking cringey
leftypol are more cringe than the most spergy stormfags
If it was ethnocentric communism
>It's less than 1000 people and we all know and care about each other
This is the key really, if you go beyond the size of a village it becomes a total bureaucratic nightmare, but with few people all in the same vicinity who have the opportunity to all interact with another I can easily imagine them agreeing to pool their resources and share ownership of the village and its facilities. But then really you're just reverting to a sort of tribalism, which gommies seem to hate for some reason.
>a hammer and a sickle, held defiantly by two people who have never either built anything useful nor grown any food.
>*larping intensifies*
a pro-white form of communism
that can be verified to be pro-white and maintains the idea of private property and transparency.
The only way communism will ever take control is if the fake communism from china (that's actually an oligarchy because communism doesnt work in reality) allows them to stamp out the rest of the world.
Communism in western civilization must have all of its proponents executed because it has led to genocide and oppression for its people 100% of the time and is a necessary part of the ideology.
Christ himself descending from the Heavens.
>communism
>pro-white
>private property
it's a conundrum, i know
This has been my criticism with a true and total communist society as the ideologues envision it. It only takes one gang with homemade weapons to turn their commune into a warlord society and start taking over all the communes
this would likely cascade into basically feudalism 2.0
one commie i talked to about this said that there would be a people's militia on guard (or that can be raised from the citizens in short notice) to prevent this from happening, but realistically this would be impossible to organize or direct effectively
this, humans are easy to manipulate, just gotta do it right.
There are some things I like about communism, although admittedly I don't REALLY know that much about it.
For example, its rejection of interests, debt or even money in its final form. An idea that nazism and falangism borrowed. Then again, usury was also prohibited in feudal times.
Most of the criticism I've seen towards it seem to be actually about its implementation.
Maybe because it's impossible to implement, and therefore criticizing the system itself is irrelevant. Dunno.
It's certainly a bit weird seeing propaganda from mid century saying how communism was bad because it merely turned you into another cog in the machine, when that's also exactly what you are in the current western economic systems.
Unless you go solo innawoods. Then you are miserable.
>we could hold tools and dress in shitty government approved clothing
Not™ on™ My™ McWatch™
idk, but that girl with the sickle is cute
This, most of "MUH GOMMUNISM WORKS" faggots out there are rich kids who have never worked a day in their lives, they all want "equality" for everyone but they don't want a dime of theirs touched
better dead than red
Commuism only works on a village level where the inhabitants are all interrelated and dependent upon each other. It's not suited to a national or globally scaled society.
There is nothing on this earth that would ever make me see communism as anything but the ideological equivalent of AIDS or cancer.
Communism is to be eradicated, not contemplated.
This in all seriousness.
Better Dead than Red. Besides, we both know neither of the people in that image are capable of doing the work those tools are used for.
Proved my point.
Thank you.
I have read the Communist Manifesto and Mao's little red book.
All that I have to say is that I wish people would stop confounding Marxist-Leninsts with actual communists.
Communism is a society where class, government and money doesn't exist. Communism is an utopia. The way to reach this utopia isn't by Marxist-Leninism, but by free market capitalism instead. Can somebody who believe in Marxist-Leninism show me other?
>Its not real communism
This is almost as gay as goymunism
If communists un-kill millions of white christians slavs, could be
>Most of the criticism I've seen towards it seem to be actually about its implementation.
>Maybe because it's impossible to implement, and therefore criticizing the system itself is irrelevant.
can't speak for everyone but this is the source of my criticism of it
communism actually sounds pretty great to me on paper, as i imagine it does to many
Tbh, anthing that's anti-capitalist and anti-burger can count me in
Are you legitimately retarded?
>en.wikipedia.org
>which is a socioeconomic order structured upon the common ownership of the means of production and the absence of social classes, money[3][4] and the state
The """"communist"""" countries of the 20th century were Marxist-Leninist that adhered to the ideology of Vanguardism.
>en.wikipedia.org
Why are right-wingers so uneducated and ignorant when it comes to politics? Never in my life have I ever met a right-winger who could describe most political ideologies he either supports or hates all the time.
whites and slavs both or whites or slavs?
Over 3 billions people live,fight, and die to do what you described-utterly failed- and now you're just going to recite what their starting goal was? There's a reason they failed. There's a retard here and it wasn't the poster you were responding to. Utopianism predates communism, but communism is necessarily based on Marx.
>Communism is a society where class, government and money doesn't exist. Communism is an utopia.
In other words, it’s an ideology suitable only for fiction.
What a retarded statement, because it failed to meet the perfect ideals it's not real communism. Regardless your pure Communism is completely impossible and retarded.
We have enough historical evidence to know what happens when communism is tried. The horror of a Tumblr style judiciary should be enough for any sane person. Look no further than allies turning on allies for two degree off party wrong think and throw in capital punishment/ labor camps and you have communism.
a stroke?
Genocide literally every nigger and jew and I will be the most communist motherfucker that ever lived. I will make Lenin, Mao, and Stalin look like fucking pussies.
Intense racism.
autism
For it to work someplace. So far the “best” communist nations had tons of natural resources yet still failed.
>opens thread with clueless pre-college kids in expensive gommie cosplay
What would it take for you to reconsider wasting the air of the more deserving?
I've read Quotations by Chairman Mao to better understand this.
You clearly have no idea why communism erupted in such countries in the first place. I'll give you it in one word : feudalism. Countries like China and the USSR never considered themselves communist, but socialist countries instead on the path towards communism.
There's a lot you should read about to better understand here.
Communism is the inevitable end-goal of humanity. Literally unavoidable. Once we reach a post-scarcity society, we'll see a push for actual communism like no other. Marxist-Leninism, which most right-wingers in this thread have mistaken for "communism" is a thing purely of the past now.
Marxist-Leninism will never be as popular anymore, especially when the average person doesn't engage in heavy labor or farming, as they used to 100 years ago. Marx thought he could take a shortcut to communism by directly waging war on other classes, dismantling the state, and have an economy controlled by the proletariat. He was wrong.
The blueeyed rosycheeked babushkas,
with them alive the world would be tjis degeneracy...besides that, everybody oles babushkas!
this.
There was a gommie thread earlier with a swiss faggot complaining about the wealthy needing to get offed first.
He never realized by most standards, he was extremely wealthy compared to most people around the world.
I wonder what the hordes would do to his faggot ass if he got his wish of communism.
*wouldnt be this degeneracy
will there be icecream and will i get two scoops?
The entirety of human history being different than it is.
>I'll give you it in one word : feudalism.
Wrong answer. Feudal society had already been deconstructed by the Russians by the early 1900's. In 1861 they had already freed the serfs(two years before America freed the slaves). Look at the Imperial plans that Witte and Stolypin came up with. They were reforming away from feudalism by empowering individuals to have more personal wealth and allow free associations to empower themselves. The Russian Empire actually had collectivism before but they abandoned it. The only thing that worked was the private incentive aspect, which the Communists got rid of when they brought back collectivism. So basically they regressed to the worst possible system and then took the one thing that worked out. Then declared war on the most successful farmers in the country afterward. It's like they were trying to famine themselves and communism was the weapon to do it with, which makes sense given the fact that the Germans(Warburg, really) intended to bring Lenin into the country in order to kick it off. Oh,and funded it was well. So there you have it:Communism ironically reinstituted feudalistic serfdom in the least effective way possible.
You really should be the one doing the reading here.
>what would it take for Jow Forums to reconsider communism?
First i would need to lose a few chromosomes.
Also be poor and lazy. Im just poor but driven.
The only real option is that the state should give me 2 cat-girl waifus. But everyone knows that the only way to catgirls is Ancap.
nothing
It would actually just be as simple as dropping the pro-degeneracy and adopting right-wing social attitude toward it and race.
>Communism is the inevitable end-goal of humanity. Literally unavoidable
Commies actually believe this
arent you about to experience it tho?
Ancap is the only future
and babushkas...
In a purely white ethnostate with no jews.
Nope, even if amlo wins, he is just going to make a small rise on the gibs and thats all. Mexico and big part of the world is owned by Salinas de Gortary, Carlos Slim is just the name borrower. And Salinas is not going to allow someone take a shit on his biz.
Nothing is going to change. Mexico will be fucked till at least, 80 more years, then is going to be possible to rebuild.
all white communism. so only after getting rid of alll jews and non whites would i be ok white it
>reconsider
A memory wipe, though I'm certain I'd come to the same conclusions all over again
Communism is for herd animals. I am a wolf, not a sheep to be herded by Jews
If I were weak and incapable of supporting myself and my family I'd consider it
>Wrong answer.
It's the right answer. You have absolutely no idea what you're talking about. Russia was still technically practicing feudalism even by the end of the Russian revolution. The reason that communism became so colossally popular in Russia and in China was because both countries were feudalistic agrarian societies in which the vast majority of the population were either farmers or hard-laborers under the power of a few authoritarian figures.
Communism, or rather Marxist-Leninism, pushed pro-proletariat propaganda forward and told the slaves of the feudalistic societies that they can not only be free, but take over as well and be the ones in charge. This here is the reason why Marxist-Leninism became so popular with countries that were feudalistic while not so much with industrialized countries like Western ones or Japan. Marxist-Leninism put such a huge emphasis on the "People" that they did not hesitate at all to adopt it.
Your theory here doesn't work at all, sorry to tell you that.
If you allow me to ask, how do you envision humanity being in 1000 years? Please do tell me.
Just imagine how real AIs, who are perfect, would form a society. It would be literal communism. No state. No money. No classes or divisions. Only consensus and a common goal forward.
Even with agrarian reforms, to the peasants of Russia, Lenin's idea of power to the peasants and proletariat first and foremost was more pleasant than that of a refined constitutional monarchy.
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I'm not communist but I think economic socialism is the best for an ethnostate, considering damn liberalism fucked up the world as it is today and promoted jewry
>what would it take
Robot slaves and and an AI sophisticated enough to manage a centralized economy. If nobody has a job, handing out fat checks to every citizen every month is perfectly justified. We're probably a century or two from that world, but it will happen if a chimpocalypse doesn't destroy it first.
If we get there, the big problem will be idle hands. Affluenza will be an epidemic. We'll also have morons trying to give robots equal rights.
Ultimately, communism will only be possible in a post-scarcity society with complete automation. Forget the paychecks, you'll even get whatever you want with or without money, the robots will do it for you.
It's a far away dream, but it's inevitable for humanity.
fixed
no need for class consciousness when you have race consciousness, which is what the original classes were when the concept was created in england.
marx was a moron.
lmao this
There will be something like 'credits' for at least a while. You're right that the amount of stuff available will be incredible. It'll probably be the equivalent of hundreds of thousands or even millions of dollars a month for every person. There will have to be limits though, or you'd get jokers ordering robots to stack up giant pyramids of Bugattis or some such.
The other scary thing will be population control. We already have too many people to provide 'limitless' goods.
For the laws of physics to cease to exist, allowing us to all change reality according to our whims.
what would it take for you to reconsider fascism?
In my opinion, I don't think humanity would survive to reach communism if we stay on Earth. We could prolong our survival and delay our demise by mining resources in the solar system, but that's just delaying the inevitable.
We will have to develop FTL travel one way or another. And once we do, once we acquire unlimited resources, then suddenly those giant pyramids of Bugattis won't seem so bad.
or yellow, its a so happy color.
Those boots were made in a capitalist factory & probably cost more than $300
That it provides me more profit than with my current work.
I'm not interested in having relationships, had two girlfriends and honestly, it was tiring, felt more like babysitting.
you cheeky cunt
No, fuvk off with your jewish plans for completw conquest.
>Ultimately, communism will only be possible in a post-scarcity society with complete automation. Forget the paychecks, you'll even get whatever you want with or without money, the robots will do it for you.
This is what bothers me about the morons who respond to UBI with "B-but who is gonna pay for it?"
They've fetishized money. As if pieces of paper are what really drive production. When robots produce everything, there's just no need for money anymore. You just need a fair system to distribute what the robots produce. So you give each person a certain number of dollars or credits that they can trade for an allotment of stuff they want that the robots produce.
this isn't terribly complicated.
I saw some article from National Review on a poll that barely half the people now agree with the statement that "The USA benefits from having rich people". National Review either played dumb or was dumb in its reply that "Well without rich people who will pay all the taxes and build new companies." which is of course a stupid thing to say.
You can have production and government without a small class of people controlling 90% of the capital. And when you have the small class of people controlling all the money it really is no different from any other centrally planned economy, it is just centrally planned by the Bildergburg people instead of a government that is obliged to follow a nations laws and is responsible to the people.