(((They're))) punishing him for speaking out

I think Elon just pulled that media stunt because his company is fucked rn.

Is he tho?

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>talks about tech that doesn't exist
>IF YOU DONT EMBRACE IT YOU WILL LOSE
how about make the damn shit exist than we can talk about how it will impact the world
>but mah lab experiments
No, i meant actually work at the level you just described.

The fuck. His latest tweet is fucking hilarious. He’s trolling the fuck out of them now

Its a video.

Why the fuck didn't you include the link then you dumb fucking leaf?

A car reviewer brought this point up specifically, for some reason the cars are firetraps.

But it is interesting the kind of apple, cult like following , Steve Jobish atmosphere that alot of redditors have about Elon Musk. Ive always wondered where that comes from.

>cars with internal combustion engines never do this

Automotive shils pls go and kys

little known fact. there are over 100,000 car fires a year in the US alone

Fucking checked.
Dumb fucking leafs will get what's coming.

>nfpa.org/Public-Education/By-topic/Property-type-and-vehicles/Vehicles

U.S. fire departments responded to an estimated average of 152,300 automobile fires per year in 2006-2010. These fires caused an average of 209 civilian deaths, 764 civilian injuries, and $536 million in direct property damage.

(((Their))) Agenda is real.

and now the internal combustion internet defense shills have arrived

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He's speaking out because they pushed him.

Did you not read my next post? ICE engines are equally if not more dangerous than lithium ion batteries in Teslas.

It's a "problem" being blown out of proportion by musk's competitors. They've been pushing this exact angle in the press for the past 4-5 years now.

Why compete when you can simply buy brainwashing to convince people not to purchase a competitor's product?

>Ive always wondered where that comes from.
theyre materialist slaves so they adore pretty much anything technologically new and interesting as much as they adore the technocratic pseudo genius that invented it

>It's a "problem" being blown out of proportion by musk's competitors.
if the car is a firetrap then it's a firetrap. of course his competitors are going to press him on it......

All cars are fucking firetraps, ICE or not.

I actually saw a Telsa in traffic the other day, the road was basically empty. Not gonna lie, I was pretty flabbergasted at how fast it was able to take off.

I still prefer the sound of a good ol' combustion engine though.

That feeling when I probably tested the product that caused this, told people it was shit, and yet it somehow makes it into final product.

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can you imagine how action films will portray car chases in the future?
gaaaay

>All cars are fucking firetraps
you would be right if this was still the 90s. generally vehicles are much safer now. other than the tesla of course

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Lmao. By what metric?

I have zero interest in a tesla. I like electric cars but the entire design of ti seems flawed to me. The economy of an electric cars is a huge draw for many but none of them especially tesla, make an economical electric car. Every single one has more bells and whistles than a bell and whistle store. Electronic screens, power everything etc. I want a cheap metal car framed body. Something like a geo metro hatchback. Manual doors and locks. Cheap but simple and easily replaced interior. That means simple flat panels instead of molded bullshit thats impossible to remove. I would also prefer a NiMH pack or a NiFE. Less range but both chemistries have proven track records as traction batteries. NiFE would last the longest with the least amount of fire issues. A sealed NIFE battery chemistry was built but i never hear anymore about it. Battery pack and internals would outlast the frame at that point.

michael hastings heartily disagrees

No matter how safe things get, there is always the chance that the silver from the supplier was 3/1000th too thick, or Pedro dropped part of his taco at the wrong second while something was getting built. Then when it fails it fails spectacularly.

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youre right in the sense that the CIA now has remote control access to all of our vehicles but thats a different point entirely. im talking about safety on a mechanical level

Thats my biggest issue with high voltage battery packs. They all want 600 volt lacks because it increases efficiency and allows fast speeds and acceleration but high voltage dc is fucking dangerous. 90-120 volts in a light economy car will get you to highway speeds with the equivalent acceleration of most 100 HP economy cars.
Why does point a to b work commuter cars need to go 200 mph and accelerate in .6 seconds?

Man, I had unbiased hatred for the guy, but I see now it was justified. More and more keep coming out and proving he isn't as smart as he claims to be.

safety on a mechnical level means nothing when said glow in the dark faggots can make an ECU do whatever they want it to do by hacking the CANBUS from the phone connected to your bluetooth stereo

It's actually about the charging, quick acceleration is just a side effect. Higher voltage charging will always be faster, and until they either come up with super capacitor charge packs, or have battery swap stations, they will always be chasing a faster charge to compete with liquid fuel. Unfortunate, after around 500V, low cost, good performance, and small case size are currently a pick two exclusively.

>t. Ben Shapiro

Well, obviously the tesla didn't exist in the 90s. One question which I have yet to see answered is whether batteries are more dangerous than gasoline. We should have enough data from hybrids to have some sort of guess at this now.

regardless of what they can and cant do, safety has generally improved. i suspect the cash for cars scam ended up actually saving a lot of lives on the road (at the expense of the used car industry)

Lol, they kill themselves more than they do with the guns they're trying to remove from themselves lol. If they want to save themselves they should shut down all transportation HAHAHA.

are you rarted?

lithium battery packs are so dangerous if they get discharged to quickly.

Tesla's will be worth fuck all in a few years.

I'm not rarted. But let's face it. He wears an ego greater than his skill. No man should be praised for that and any man with a cult like following is a danger to beware. You don't see it because you can't, take it from someone who can.

why is our battery tech so fucking weird and old and shitty
there are way better ways to store power, why is battery tech so suppressed from the public

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>flagged him down and told him to pull over

How the fuck do you not notice your car is on fire/smoking and need someone else to tell you this?

Yeah i forgot about that. Also wire thickness. You know a bean counter bitches about the extra copper. I don't see swappable batteries for any car, regardless of voltage. The bolt has a 960 lb battery pack. I consider the bolt a very good (but still flawed EV) because of it stellar range. Thats a 60 KW pack. The bolt is also VERY heavy though. It runs about 250 Watt hours a mile which efficiency wise isn't even above average. They just built a bigger pack. Homemade geo metro electric cars have hit 190 watt hours a mile. 28% more efficient because of weight and other factors. Maybe if 150 ish miles was acceptable and a smaller pack because of the efficiency you could have swappable packs. Most likely it would need to be in three sections. I honestly would prefer an electric heavy hybrid. Something with a 50 HP gas engine and a 20-30 KW pack. The demand for fast charging creates to many dangerous short cuts and sacrifices to much. Just use some fucking gas from time to time.

The airride has clearly bottomed out here so the fire might have been caused by ignorance.

Probably too busy setting auto pilot while texting on his phone.

The car chase in Bullitt had fake sounds, so there's that.

Easy, you have a high voltage lithium battery pack. High capacity and capable of dumping many times its C rating short circuited. Same as any battery, but worse with higher discharge and voltage. So much power it will instantly cause a fire. No way around that. All battery chemistries will do this when they short circuit. The higher the voltage and the discharge capacity, both things you need for an electric car, the worse it will be.

>self-proclaimed socialists are dumb
>>what do you proclaim yourself to be
>a socialist
He's shit-posting you low-iq retardor.
Would it be funnier if he put a /s at the end?

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Currently I think a heavy hybrid would be ideal as well. However, if the EV does eventually see mass adoption without major changes in battery chem, once you have a sufficient mass of cars on the road with the same battery, there is no reason they could not be designed with quick swap in mind. You... might have to pass some no swaps without qualified attendant laws for a while though.

Maybe he's just talking against Marxist socialism

patent encumbrance for NiMH packs. Oil company bought the patent back in the 90s and prevented almost all large form factor NiMH batteries from being made or researched for 15 years. The prius managed to get some work around. Really put that chemistry behind.
Exide a lead acid battery company purchases edisons Nickel iron battery company and closed it in the 70s.
Mostly because its perfect investor bait. Most usable chemistries have been done. Every element thats rechargeable has been tried. Investors fall for it all the time. Pie in the sky promises, small returns and improvements and it never hits the market. Nanomaterials create new life for older non economical chemistries like zinc manganese batteries. Thats a rechargeable chemistry but it has very short cycle life because of crystal formation. Nano materials and research could solve this problem. Creating what is one of the CHEAPEST chemistries in the world.

Mostly because it makes a lot of people lots of money with very little effort and to go to market means competing with the big boys and risking a lot of money. Cheaper and more profitable just to string along investors. You would be surprised how often this happens in the business and research world and how stupid and gullible people are. I know of a company thats been saying any day now they will have a viable diesel engine airplane. Complete bullshit. They have no plans of going to market but every year they get investors regardless. Decades of that.

How do you not know your fucking car is on fire?

It's more common than you might think, if you are in motion at all the smoke will get pulled down and back below your line of sight. You most likely will not know until your engine stops running, or the paint on the hood begins to blister, which considering there is insulation there, might be a bit.

Genetic raising of iq is such a larp. You might tweak some genes, and make their iq go up, but might have th side effect of extreme autism or withdraw or oppsevise persnity triats, or a 1000 other things that you dont want a large portion or your Citzens to have, I mean they only discovered epigentics 20 years ago and are still finding things about it even today. Pretending you will just be able to edit genes for IQ (or anything brain related) without problems within this century is wrong.
People are stupid. All cars have problems. They just Custesr around their feels, and becuase it is uncommon, they think when it happens to them it must be the car, or somethings the road or something

Yeah cause we've never heard of a regular car having an accident where the fuel catches fire/explodes.
Definitely a unique problem for the teslas and proves how shit of a car it really is. Burn all of them and disband tesla cause of this car.

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Can you elaborate

actually i was reading a bit further on a whim on zinc manganese batteries. Some people have managed to get 6000 cycles out of it and excellent volume to power ratio (not sure about weight). Near lithium. I cannot emphasize how cheap that type of battery is. Two VERY abundant metal(s?), it would be cheaper than lead acid. Imagine something like 20-30 bucks a KW.

What are you, a journalist?

I'm not going to be more specific, but I test electrical parts for a living, some of those parts go into Teslas, Some may have borderline performance under certain conditions/when mass produced. The EV industry is always pushing for higher V, lower $. Shit happens. You should have been able to get that from the rest of my posts.

On an unrelated note, here is a video of some shit I prevented from happening in a house near you.

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Eh it doesnt unless a*b*c= more $ than the cheaper alternative

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The real question you should be asking is why is cap technology so shitty and far behind.

Electrochemical batteries as we currently understand them have a very hard limit on the maximum power density they can achieve. that limit is almost exactly at the level of fossil fuels - ~40 Kj/Kg - and that's assuming a fully optimized battery. the specific chemistry is a Lithium -oxygen battery, also called a lithium-air battery. we're at about 1/3rd of that in the laboratory, right now, maybe a bit closer. but that is still no true solution for the future. it is probably true technologies have been suppressed, but it's not exactly like we will revolutionize design and energy storage if we do reach close to the theoretical max.

Capacitors, on the other hand, really have a limitation that is many orders of magnitude higher. they can be trickier to work around in drive electronics, but this problem is well-solved in other industries. if you can find the right dielectrics to work with, and find clever ways to optimize surface area while remaining cognizant of mechanical requirements of high-capacitance, even non-electrolytic cells can become disgustingly power-dense, in theory many orders of magnitude more than either voltaic cells or chemical energy. many such formulations for ultra-dielectrics have been found or studied, and many such chemistries have disappeared into corporate IP portfolios.

There are a few new ultra-dielectrics that have come out recently that are being picked up by car companies - will be interesting to see where those go. maybe nowhere, not soon, anyway.

Should have said energy density above there - whoops.

the guy who played the russian (Chekhovian?) character in the new Star Trek movies would beg to differ. Oh and what's his face from Fast and Furious too

What's the point in declaring "abc = x" and then saying "if x < blah", when you could just say "if abc < blah"?
Fight Club is so stupid.

You would think he's Aussie...

I had no idea this guy was as fucking awesome as he seems.

Becuase x doesnt have to equal that, so it would be confusing not to declare it first otherwise, plus the narrator rambling monologues is part of the thing that connects the otherwise disconnected scenes, learn to movie

that doesnt provide any evidence of safety of conventional cars vs teslas. could you be more specific? also, a reduction of 2000 fatalities over that period is not really that much of an achievement

You do realise Germans and Soviets had diesel aeroengines in WW2?

Including flying boats of Blohm&Voss (Wiking) and reconnaisance Ju-86, powered by Junkers 205, and Charomsky ACh-30, powering Pe-8 and Yer-2?

>marketing has never pushed a R&D section to send out "evaluation samples" before the design is finalized, and those samples have never made it into a finished product.

I'm not even saying it happened on purpose, just that it probably happened.

Battery and capacitor cars are dead end.

Basic physics and chemistry.

Ideal vehicle would be a turbodiesel or turbine powered (let’s say 50-75 kW), have an intermediate battery pack of 40 kWh, and electric engines of 200-250 kW short-burst power

Most of the time, you are driving WAY below max power, and even BELOW optimum efficiency setting.

By combining both technologies, the internal combustion engine could be run at optimum efficiency speed, giving constant output that would be the average of the function P(t) for the electrical motors.
Even better, the 30-40kWh pack would be enough for commuting and shorther trips without turning on internal combustion engine.

Electric motors give you regenerative braking or countercurrent one, too.

Have fun getting turned into paperclips because you refuse to do any planning ahead of time.

It's different in the sense that batteries can (and have been known to!) cook off if they fail without external source of ignition. Gas tanks are pretty safe as long as they don't leak.. That said, when you start crashing at highway speeds all bets are off. Even a diesel powered vehicle might catch fire if impacts and fuel leaks are involved.

>only Jews buy these shitty cars because a Jew makes them.