What do you guys think about this? Basically Palmer Luckey wants to create a digital wall of sensors on the border that utilize machine learning to identify illegal immigrants and alert ICE responders.
Honestly don't see much of a downside to this, it would turn almost all of the liberal criticisms of the wall on its head. It's 90% cheaper, faster to install, can't be climbed, no holes, can't be tunneled under (due to massive range) and libs don't have an inanimate object to get mad over and tear down after Trump leaves office.
Call me a shill but I want this to happen 100%. Don't really care if it supplements or replaces the concrete wall, the extra few billion is nothing to secure our borders.
It's great that wildlife can freely roam around. It's probably the best solution.
Hunter Watson
bullshit. i knew a guy when i was young. he was at an army base near the border in like 1952. he said their radar or whatever back then would pick up every jackrabbit crossing the border. that was 60 years ago. you think they dont know people are crossing? give me a break.
Kevin Lee
Wouldn’t a wall be cheaper? With the digital wall you still need to send in border guards and then they can request asylum. With a walk they just sit there until they realize they are not getting in. Then they go home.
Chase Sanders
Cheaper in the long run
Gavin Lopez
Establishment Rs always argue for this kind of crap.
The real solution is to deny benefits and services to illegals and automatic jail time for the heads of any company who hires them.
But nobody has got the balls to do it.
Samuel Murphy
+ for wildelife - you cant b sure that the cameras wont have low or big lifespand and it would cost so much just to put them and repair them if they broke
Michael Gray
And border patrol needs to go intercept once the cameras catches them.
Christopher Long
Might be a good addition to the wall.
Eli Morris
Sounds like a modified idea that Tesla had for having electrified border/barriers for every nation.
Adrian Scott
This is brilliant! Congrats OP!
Chase James
It's the age of AI bro. 1960s radars are impossible to finetune to exclusively detect humans.
The purpose of machine learning in this product is to reduce false positives and make the alerts count. It also highlights the moving objects so ICE agents with the app can easily verify for themselves before they get off their lazy asses.
Positives and negatives - wall will have maintenance costs too and harder to see through. And it's not a bad thing to hire more ICE agents, when border crossings slow down we have more personnel to occupy themselves with deporting the ones that are well.
Thousands of ICE agents already patrol back and forth along the border because the existing fence doesn't do shit. We're making those guys more effective and less likely to miss anything.
Grayson Foster
That's the best case scenario. Have these installed on top of the wall for only another couple billion. But Repubs simply score too many points by reducing the cost of the wall by 90% and not giving libs the symbolism of a physical wall to talk about for the rest of eternity (until the next virtue signalling dem president wastes our $25 billion and tears it down)
Michael Lopez
The next time democrats hold power they will use the cameras to find invaders that are dehydrated and give them water and asylum.
Lucas Perez
It just turn it off
Adrian Green
Libs can't tear it down, but they can definitely it making it useless. Tearing down a wall would cost money they will be less likely to spend
Blake Morales
They would just use it to locate and save the invaders that normally die while crossing.
Caleb Lewis
china has already demonstrated publicly how effective the technology is at accurately identifying gooks. and they all have similar faces ya know..
america uses it in cities,towns, homes, already, might as well use it on the border.
what's in op's pic is old stuff. i'm sure whatever we have now is at least 10x-20x better.
Julian Phillips
The cost of hardware is nothing. It's literally just infrared cameras and distance lasers on a stick. Each pole covers a several mile radius.
The real cost will be the contract to operate the frontend and backend software. And the cost of hiring more responders. Ideally, the inevitability of being detected will be enough of a deterrent that they just stop coming. But who knows how it'll really play out. Beaners will be too dumb to figure out how to fool it and too dumb to stop coming, so it may just be a huge additional waste of effort on both sides.
You're right, maybe too easy for next Dem president to just refuse to renew the contract and turn them off. But even Obama was strict on immigration and border control, he was just good at lying about it. Hopefully we never have a legitimate socialist president in the future, but if it got that bad I think they'd still tear down the wall.
Owen Cook
We could locate and save so many invaders.
Ryder Flores
fuck you technocrats and your jewish moneymaking bs schemes. BUILD THE FUCKING WALL.
Blake Ross
The wall will have such features as you still need to run power out to the middle of fucken nowhere.. They plan to have telephones every x mile and water has been talked about. All trying to win a few dims over.
Jack Morgan
I'm all for it if it is attached to a big ass wall with machine guns.
Gabriel Diaz
After the wall is built we could use that system to identify the invaders. Then the border control can launch drones that drop tear gas and deter them from breaking in.
Noah Torres
>Chessfags want to INCREASE government surveillance >Chessfags want robots to scan our facial and body signatures to make sure that nothing is amiss >Chessfags think that this isn't something that is already happening with the cellphones they post from We're reaching ZOG levels that shouldn't even be possible. Jow Forums has truly lost its soul.
I'll continue to post maps that will hopefully illumine the fact that we're living in a cyberpunk dystopia that's run by Talmudic Pedophiles who are unleashing poorly understood AI's onto its own population
"America" is hemorrhaging money every day. It's being stolen from whites and put in the hands of foreign oligarchs and Jews. Our ports have become almost irrelevant in comparison to Asian sea commerce. Meanwhile, we listen to ebonic grunts and chants, while prattling meaninglessly on jewish social media sites in between porn binges. Reject comfort. Embrace anger.
Not opposed to those ideas but problem with lethal force is that you have to make sure you're shooting at the right target. Facial recognition technology isn't quite there yet... And we don't want to shoot the ranchers/farmers who own land on the border or the ICE responders. Modern machine learning in all its forms is constrained by 1-5% false positive rate, not the perfect pairing with lethal force.
Battery tech isn't there yet. Drones also imply they patrol around, leaving holes -- stationary sentries are more practical for detection purposes. ICE already uses drones though.
Connor Carter
It's all cosmetic. Here is how you secure your borders: Heavily fuck over anybody who hires illegals. Anything less is just a game. Seriously, they are scabs, stand up for yourself. Don't be mollified by a wall. That's just a stopgap.
Austin Young
That's pretty much been my personal idea all along. Put up a decent fence, maybe a double fence with a no-go zone in between, then towers every so mile or whatever is required and put cameras and other sensors on them. Computers can then monitor everything autonomously and alert border agents when something is detected, who have rapid response teams that go and intercept. In addition you could also have aerial drones help with tracking of detected intruders until agents arrive.
There are gas powered drones that glide and use a lot less fuel
Justin Smith
>it would turn almost all of the liberal criticisms of the wall on its head The leftists think that whites must die, and the means to reach that is first to convert them into minority vote. They want mestizos to vote in US elections. The cost of the wall is irrelevant.
A minefield isn't actually that practical. Aside from the human rights jumbo, you'll have coyotes and other critters setting them off all the time. Also, without very tight surveillance some cartel types could easily demine a path through and the border agents wouldn't have any way of knowing.
Owen Sanders
Fun fact the Preds that cruise the border have gen 6 sensor packages. Raytheon is using the BP for all sorts of testing as of late.
Brandon Butler
It triggers alerts based on things that shouldn't be there. Rabbit or tumbleweed are ignored.
Suspicious things that shouldn't be in a desert like a box or beaner in a horse suit will prompt ICE agents to take a look over the app.
Dominic Edwards
it won't work, you act like illegal immigrants have an IDENTITY, social security number, and other important fucking things like a home address.
yeah you'll SEE a mexican crossing the border, you won't really fucking know shit after that point unless hes caught during the time he is seen.
Equivalent to having no preventative measure.
Julian Lewis
They'll be caught shortly after they're detected unless they're fucking Somali sprinters. The sensors have 2-3 mile radius.
We already have thousands of agents patrolling the border because so far that's our only deterrent beyond the useless wooden fence. The tech is just to make sure they don't miss a thing.
Nathaniel Parker
>The purpose of machine learning in this product is to use a buzzword to meme the government into funding a project that wont succeed
FTFY
Henry Jackson
It's another stalling tactic. After ten years there will be a GAO study that finds most of it isn't functional and the parts that are have poor capture rates due to budget cuts for response personnel. Meanwhile another ten million will have crossed the border and talk of an actual wall will drag on even longer.
Machine Learning isn't a buzzword. It's overhyped and we're already in another AI winter but it's legit for certain applications. Like image detection.
Jonathan Moore
are those chicks supposed to be gooks? lol
Carson Myers
it'd be nice if the cameras were available for live viewing on the intertubes 24/7, maybe let us try aiming the bots...
Now in argument with spouse about whether or not turret bots can be ordained so they can administer last rites.
Owen Ramirez
>you'll have coyotes and other critters setting them off all the time. Pressure plates can be calibrated to a certain minimum weight, say 50kg, most animals wouldn't trigger that, but every human that isn't a child would.
Daniel Anderson
>it would turn almost all of the liberal criticisms of the wall on its head Where's the fun in that, also fuck each and every goddamned modern area liberal. Call them socialists or fucking commies, that's what they are. >It's 90% cheaper, faster to install, can't be climbed, no holes, can't be tunneled under I call fucking bullshit, a physical wall defeats and bullshit laser fence that needs 24 hour stand-by forces every fucking day. Please also take into account that machine learning, based on what it's used on, is ridiculously flawed.
Brayden Peterson
Only downside would be if the grid goes down and/or EMP.
One addition however would be to build a few yard tall Earth Berm barrier across the border to make a clear horison for camera equipment to focus on instead of having it mindlessly trying to focus on a flat plane. This would give a clear contour of whatever object, making identification of wether its an Animal or Human. Also depending on the sensitivity and the fixed point, being able to tell the exact height, width and even mass of the peoples moving across.
Equipment and human eyes has much easier to detect moving objects when going up on a brim instead of a large flat surface.
Natural Earth Berms that already exist would be used in most cases however, not needing it to be constructed across the whole border.
It would be a good system to have in place in addition to a wall. Then we can fly over some non lethal drones to bother them until they give up and go back home.
Joshua Wright
If they shoot the drone down then we should send in a lethal drone strike.
Ayden Carter
modernity...
We're already conditioned to >carry and document out lives, geopositions and submit auditory documentation via smart phones >everyone knows the governments constantly steal smart phone data >reciprocal feed back for the social planners
