This thread is to learn about and discuss Western Culture. From Art, to Architecture, to Philosophy, to Music
Pic Related is by Bouguereau (pronounced Boo-gah-roe) and is from the late 19th Century, exemplifying the "Academy" style of art.
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As a kick start to discussion, what do you all think of Plato's caste system idea in the Republic as it relates to the politics of cities?
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More to the point, this thread is to help us learn about where we came from so we can understand political issues today better.
Also, literature is a good topic as well
Nice thread
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This is of Vincent Van Gogh:The Starry Night. It is a classic made in the 1800's. This was made from Oil painting and was experimental for it's time. Vincent Van Gogh was a person of Dutch descent. Only a European can create art this beautiful.
>Only a European can create art this beautiful.
Agreed. What is everyone reading these days? I'm currently reading through the great Greek plays. Lysistrata by Aristophones was actually pretty damn funny
Pic Related is by Waterhouse and was on display in Manchester until they took it down for being sexist (yeah... For real)
>Only a European can create art this beautiful.
Raycisss. Get #WOKE
It also is to prove how great European history is, what Europeans have created for us all and to appreciate our own history.
This is of Michaelangelo's work called the Angels Trumpets. Michaelangelo was an Italian painter of (1475–1564).
Lol hahaha! It's true no black, Mexican or even Jew can create anything this good.
Also to add on to what I have this is The Last Judgement by Michaelangelo.
Absolutely correct as well.
Pic Related is another Waterhouse, it depicts the Lady of Shallott from the poem of the same name by Alfred Lord Tennyson. She only views the world through a mirror, until Lancelot rescues her.
Of course it is sexist. When you realize what it depicts.
Hylas was an Argonaut and Hercules' protégé.
During the trip to Colchis where the Golden Fleece was kept, Hylas went to get fresh water from a spring. The Nymphs saw him, seduced him, and kept him with them. The rest of the Argonauts tried to find him but couldn't.
Of course it is sexist. Whamyn fuck shit up for everyone because they constantly want the dick.
Wow look at the details especially on that boat. I almost confused it for a real life photo.
Saved all of them, OP don't forget to make one everyday
Also if i am not mistaken weren't many of the the great Western Philosophers of our time Greek? Like Aristotle, Plato, and Socrates? Especially Mythology?
Absolutely this is a general we need to start having. I think all of us need to journey around the internet for Music, Philisophy, and Art. Lets show everyone that we have a beautiful rich history to be proud of.
This one is of the Sistane Chapel by Michaelangelo again. Classic and well known around the world.
>This picture celebrates the British defence of Jersey against French invasion in 1781 and also pays tribute to a young Major, Francis Peirson, who lost his life in the process. Originally a part of France, the island of Jersey had been in the possession of the English since 1066. On the night of 5-6 January 1781 a small army of French soldiers landed on the island and marched on the capital, St Helier. They captured the Governor, Moses Corbet, and forced him to sign a document of surrender. However, the British garrison and the Jersey militia launched a counter-attack, led by Major Peirson, during the course of which Peirson was killed by a French sniper. Almost immediately, Peirson's black servant, Pompey, turned on the sniper and shot him dead. A battle ensued in Royal Square and the French were defeated.
John Singleton Copley 1738–1815 - British painter.
Based black man
Pieter Claesz
"Still Life with Silverware and Lobster"
1641
Note the reflection of the window in the glass, and the reflection of the painter in the silver jug.
This man understood optics.
My pleasure. I'm absolutely looking forward to seeing how this general develops as we move forward
Is it even legal to possess such paintings in the US? They depict naked minors.
Why don't you go over at Tony's place and ask him about pics of naked minors
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>Giuseppe Valentini (14 December 1681 – November 1753), nicknamed Straccioncino (Little Ragamuffin), was an Italian violinist, painter, poet, and composer, though he is known chiefly as a composer of inventive instrumental music. He studied under Giovanni Bononcini in Rome between 1692 and 1697. From 1710 to 1727 he served as ‘Suonator di Violino, e Componitore di Musica’ to Prince Michelangelo Caetani. He also succeeded Corelli as director of the concertino at San Luigi dei Francesi, from 1710 to 1741. Though during his lifetime overshadowed by the likes of Corelli, Vivaldi, and Locatelli, his contribution to Italian baroque music is noteworthy, and many of his works were published throughout Europe
Look who decided it was time to shit on your white culture
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Absolutely. Also just a reminder to what started this thread in the first place. Was this music video youtube.com
Yes. This is the video that caused the thread to be made in response. We wont allow ourselves to be made fun of. Our art, history and music. Is worth much more than their ethnicity. I was so mad to see what has become of our art being treated like the 3rd world.
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>Ludwig van Beethoven baptised 17 December 1770 – 26 March 1827) was a German composer and pianist. A crucial figure in the transition between the Classical and Romantic eras in Classical music, he remains one of the most recognised and influential of all composers. His best-known compositions include 9 symphonies, 5 piano concertos, 1 violin concerto, 32 piano sonatas, 16 string quartets, his great Mass the Missa solemnis, and one opera, Fidelio.
The dude looks like Anthony Bourdaine in blackface.
Early Thoughts, by Hyperrealist painter Agim Sula.
>about where we came from
I came from me mum.
>Der Wanderer über dem Nebelmeer (Wanderer above the Sea of Fog) by Caspar David Friedrich (1817)
>Caspar David Friedrich is known for his huge romantic landscapes, and Wanderer above the Sea of Fog is certainly one of his most awe-inspiring scenes. Working at the same time as John Constable and JMW Turner in Britain in the early 19th century, he is perhaps Germany's equivalent landscape master.
Amazing
Id love to have a copy in my kitchen.
Some of these paintings would just make a den look classical
> William T. Maud: Ride of the Valkyries (1890)
>William Wyld: The Garden at Versailles
I'm shocked Google acknowledged anything even remotely positive about Western Civilization.
>Reflections
>Composition
>No detail left untouched.
Absolutely beautiful. Post more if you can. We need to remind everyone just how beautiful Western Culture is.
lol hahahaha. Its funny because French seem people really seem to have this fetish for blacks that i will never understand.
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Also Rijksmuseum online shop has some Claesz merchandise.
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I love the feeling I get when I think about living in that quaint little Dutch town in the 1800s.
One of my favorites from Alte Pinakothek in Munich
> The Flight into Egypt is an oil-on-copper cabinet painting by the German artist Adam Elsheimer dating from about 1609, while he was in Rome. It is thought to be the first naturalistic rendering of the night sky in Renaissance art
> There are four sources of light in the painting: the moon is accurately depicted and reflects off the calm water. There is a fire near the shepherds at left, where the family is headed. At the centre of the composition, Joseph holds a torch that illuminates Mary and the infant, who are riding an ass. The heavily treed landscape behind them is almost black, its outline forming a diagonal across the sky and completely containing the foreground figures. The diagonal is echoed in the night sky by the intricate band of the Milky Way, and detailed configurations of stars are seen, including Ursa Major at far left. Elsheimer is thought to be the first painter to accurately depict constellations.[3] Another readily identifiable constellation is Leo, above the Holy Family, with its brightest star, Regulus, in the centre of the picture.[1] It has been proposed that Elsheimer reworked the painting in 1610, after the publication of Galileo's Sidereus Nuncius, which showed the Milky Way as composed of individual stars and showed the moon's surface in unprecedented detail.[4] This hypothesis has been contested by Elsheimer scholar Keith Andrews.[1]
> In addition to disclosing Elsheimer's interest in scientific topics, the appearance of the Milky Way has a spiritual connotation—it symbolized the path to heaven beginning in the Middle Ages.[5] Elsheimer's sky, wrote art historian R.H. Wilenski, "is no longer a blackcloth but a symbol for boundless space".[6]
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Saved and FEELed
I want all post-modernist houses to look like that
>Salvador Domingo Felipe Jacinto Dalí i Domènech, 1st Marquess of Dalí de Púbol (11 May 1904 – 23 January 1989), known professionally as Salvador Dalí, was a prominent Spanish surrealist born in Figueres, Catalonia, Spain.
> Saint Luke Drawing the Virgin is a large oil and tempera on oak panel painting, usually dated between 1435 and 1440, attributed to the Early Netherlandish painter Rogier van der Weyden.
I love the couple in the background. The guy is apparently hitting on the lady :)
He may not be considered "classical" in the classical sense, but I think my favorite artist might be Norman Rockwell. His work reminds me of a better, Whiter America.
Why are Americans so obsessed with European culture?
My jaw fucking dropped when I saw 19th century American painting. For some reason we were never taught about it in school, and your guys were fucking good.
Pic related.
They have lost their own like thanks to a group of kikes.
The kikes have also blown up the pic related.
>Athanadoros, Hagesandros, and Polydoros of Rhodes, Laocoön and his Sons, early first century C.E., marble, 7’10-1/2 high (Vatican Museums)
Do not forget about Sculptures this is something we often forget.
>Western Civ
What are you talking about
It was the Blacks
Wow i did not even know that existed. That is really high end. I now officially want to buy this.
Because we lost our own, Jews subverted us to focus on consumerism rather than focusing on strengthening our countries heritage and Art. So it's technically been downhill for almost 200 years now.
>Albert Bierstadt, Among the Sierra Nevada Mountains, California, 1868, Smithsonian American Art Museum, Washington, DC.
> downhill for almost 200 years now.
No, only downhill after WW2: israelshamir.net
Your art deco stuff in NY is gorgeous. Pic related.
> An arrangement never intended by Beethoven
> A title never intended by Beethoven
Please respect the composer's intentions. I agree with Hungarian Andras Schiff, who suggests this may be a homage to Mozart's Don Giovanni.
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It's pretty however you slice it, but only the original intent can deliver the full impact of the piece.
>Art, I found out later, was about making money. Organized Jewry taught me this. Art dealer Paul (((Rosenberg))) says, “A painting is only beautiful when it sells.” Jewish president of the Marlborough Gallery, Frank Lloyd, confirms this: “There is only one measure of success in running a gallery: making money.”
Of course its a Berg. Every single time. Jews do not have respect for anything other than themselves.
>hamlet
>black
pick one
I subscribe to the school which says that reinterpretation is okay as long as it's done competently. Otherwise we risk creating a fossilized culture the common man has no connection to... which is exactly what allowed modernism to take over.
isnt this ancient CP?
Without a cover that goes close to the original it would die off completely. Art needs to continue along the bloodlines and into the future generations.
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This should also be added to the next General as well. This is an important video that talks about how Marxism and Communist jewry ruin art. How if it has no thresholds or standards it is completely devoid of meaning and love.
The Naifeh biography of Van Gogh. Some Zola.
Originality is strongly encouraged. Warping the creation of another mind is not originality, it is riding a famous reputation. If someone played Op. 27 No. 2 as intended, and nobody appreciated is, whose fault is that (if it is, indeed, a fault)?
Do you REALLY think that music would have died out - or is there a reason is has spawned such a host of covers/arrangements?
Mediocrities will always ride the coattails of genius, like birds ride a hippo - but it is folly to regard the hippo as a lifeless stump, and the birds as anything but benefactors of the other's largeness.
The truth is that Op. 27 No. 2 does not exist until it is played. And when it is brought into existence by the performer, then it becomes irreversibly joined with what that performer brings to the table.
Paradoxically, your view is a modern one, which was brought about by invention of the recording. Why play the cover if you can play the original? And this worship of originality is what ultimately led us to pic related. Manzoni was extremely logical, he took the originality meme and run it into its logical conclusion. The disaster was that the (((art critics))) did not see what he did as an exercise in "reductio ad absurdum", but instead weaponized him to further the destruction of the western culture. Logically the originality meme should have ended right there and then.
The idea that it "does not exist until played" is almost laughable. What is the musician playing, then, Beethoven's thoughts snatched from the clouds?
Sorry to bring your academic generalization into a bit of focus, but Beethoven in particular was often very concise in regards to notation and direction in his WRITTEN music. Explicit instructions in his works which, in essence, explain that in order to achieve the tone-painting inspired in the composer's mind, a certain approach is required. There must be communication to the performer.
Imagine hearing about Van Gogh's "Starry Night" from a friend:
"It's this beautiful painting!" she says. "Luckily, I'm a painter, so I can recreate it for you." If this person proceeds to paint an exact replica of the Starry Night, but with chalk instead of paint, has the original work that so inspired your friend been communicated to you? If she decided to give the tower in that painting a curled top, how would she explain it? "Well, Van Gogh didn't curl his, but in my mind it should curl."
Now you have countless artists putting their own twists on the works which they interpret, and denying their audience the same original work that inspired them (the performer). Stack this over generations, and soon the original work is totally obscured to the modern audience, and considered "boring" or "trite" thanks to the flood of bland covers and arrangements.
People used to put a lot of thought into their work. Then, academics came along and frightened artists - if you wanted to be original, how could you protect your work from being smeared and bastardized by professors spouting art-theory, or wannabe artists warping a work of true originality with their arrangements? Thus, modernity : try-hard graduates trying to protect their IP by creating ugly, untouchable monstrosities.
If we don't hold onto the original intentions of thoughtful artists, covers will eventually devour the beauty they had hoped to sustain.
I should mention that I am not arguing to eliminate covers and arrangements. They necessarily exist, as I have explained. Mainly, I just wanted to highlight the fact that I feel we are not careful in the West about how we preserve the works we hold dear. Of course new interpretations will come about, just as you find old Shakespeare plays being set in modern, or even futuristic times. If that were all we had, though, we would lose that which made the original so enduring.
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Salve Regina in Latin
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>black hamlet
Guess that's where the famous quote about the Kingdom of Denmark originated
> Now you have countless artists putting their own twists on the works which they interpret, and denying their audience the same original work that inspired them (the performer).
Why? Does the "original" cease to exist?
> Stack this over generations, and soon the original work is totally obscured to the modern audience, and considered "boring" or "trite" thanks to the flood of bland covers and arrangements.
But that is exactly how we got from Venus of Willendorf to Venus of Milo. If the ancients had decided that Venus of Willendorf is the original which cannot be improved upon -- we would be in a really sorry place.
IP law makes a distinction between an "idea" and "an embodiment of an idea". The latter is protected, the former is not.
This is a very important distinction.
Sorry for using the term "IP" so loosely - trying to save characters, I was trying to imply any original sort of original idea or message conceived by an artist. (As an aside, IP and the legal aspects of creativity are a whole other topic, absolutely necessary, but full of it's own disappointments.)
>Venus of Willendorf to Venus of Milo
Remember when I said that Op. 27 No. 2 was an homage to Don Giovanni? It wasn't Beethoven saying it was his version of Mozart's Don Giovanni. There is something to be said about ideas and emotions connected with Don Giovanni, and how they are communicated.
The two Venuses (I'm not going to try and navigate the classical grammar, forgive me) are in a similar way. The one who sculpted the Venus de Milo did not do so because they thought they were creating a variation of the Venus of Willendorf. Rather, the two separate artists saw something in nature that "Milo" directly attributed as inspired by the idea known as "Venus," whereas the Willendorf iteration was retroactively given the title "Venus" by an academic who knew of the later, more 'classical' creation. (This betrays a point I am trying to make, that ACADEMICS bastardize art.)
>does the "original" cease to exist?
No, but accessibility is at issue.
Look out the window. That is western culture. Look at cities in other countries - major chinese cities - that is western culture. They did not have the ability to create to that level until we gifted it to them.
Anywhere that is progressed is because of the west.
And none of it was possible without christianity. Praise be to God, we were truly His chosen people, not the Israelites.
There needed to be a strong force to keep society in line. Religion was one of them.
And kikestianity was one of the worst possible options for it.
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The Execution of Lady Jane Grey by Paul Delaroche
The Lady of Shalott by John William Waterhouse
You have to be a day to draw shit like this
Brunelleschi's Dome
The Venus of Arles
Wanderer above the Sea of Fog by Caspar David Friedrich