At a bbq

public opinion surveys over decades have always been pretty much more against immigration than those in favour

Nah. Brits younger than 40 are just cucked morons.

Who cares what they think? They're lemmings brainwashed by the media and only caring about their social status.

>BBQ
>UK flag
Pretty sure cooking pork in the UK is a hate crime, britbong.
>non pork
>BBQ
That's just grilling. BBQ is cooking pork products exclusively.
t: Memphian, BBQ Capital of the World

>Are we on the wrong side of history?
Yes and no.

Yes - we will most likely lose in our lifetimes - there is no way we will sway the pleb to our positions. They are too far gone, the media is keeping the stronghold of information flow etc.
And No - because in the end, the children of the normals will pay for the decisions of their step-fathers (pun intended) and they will rage against what they have done to them - but it will already be too late.

In the end, we will all lose and there will be no one left to even document the history, let alone the right or wrong side of it.

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Well then keep finding flaws in their answers, try to make them explain why is it supposed to be different and make them understand that they are wrong

>implying people were just too scared to say otherwise
The silent majority is on your side, Bong

you need to remind people of the consequences, make them finish their own train of thought.
if we just taxi every single migrant from the coast of libya to europe, we are incentivizing niggers to come here. can we (let alone do we want to) take in every african? no. so it cant be the solution

>OI
>YOU GOT A LOICENCE FOR DAT BBQ?

>I got the, 'that's completely different', response.

different how, because we're white?
accuse them of racism and pro white prejudice.

>UK
>BBQ
Kys wanker

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kek fpbp desu

Remarkable, I have the very opposite experience. Dutch people of the most normal kind are getting fed up with endless immigration and starting to see through the media's lies.
Agreeing with Italy is basically the consensus.

You fucked up op. Should have started ranting about the jews.

you should have pointed out economic situations like the brits NHS debates revolving around not having enough money to pay for things. your a bong they couldnt have missed the NHS debate highlights on tv for what 2 months intermittently maybe even 4

is itally as strong economically as the UK ? no. what do they do when people crowd the streets looking for work? unable to pay for food and demanding housing. what would itally have to sacrifice for people who were just trying to get free stuff? their presence is a burden that makes it harder for itallys citizens. and itally wasnt in a real growth cycle. the EU wasnt. they arent able to give them what they want without causing more suffering for others

every one sharing everything isnt plausible. we have fiat currencies across the planet. capitalism doesnt allow such behavior no money to be made and thus nothing fueling gdp growth to sustain currencies. dreams mean little when people act like there is no harm in letting some people screw you over all you will see are nightmares

if you avoid crime and only focus on economics people may accept that their views are not in line with the reality but wont change their answers. they wont call you a xenophobe in most cases though

You're not allowed an opinion where you live anymore.

Sounds like you're at a BBQ with niggers. I was at a nightclub Saturday night and when this nigger overheard a girl asking when I'm from (Italy) he just started going off on one about how much he hates italians. Definitely upset about salvini. Cry harder mully.

there is no "right" side of history. But if there were one, we've been off course since about 1942.

The tragedy we have is that we can do very little to stop it on a poltical level.. There isn't a mainstream party that supports closing the border, so that parties like PVV and FvD will always be powerless to do anything from the opposition.

They ended the discussion - pathetically with a, 'i'm done', and a walk away.
I make a point of being very calm when discussing political points and I never use racist or offensive terms (ever - as it devalues opinion) and I didn't want to push it as it was a social occasion and don't want to be an asshole. I though it made them look worse with their walkaway.

Explain it like this:
But If we don't stop them from trying to cross, then all the children on board are at risk of drowning, allowing them in only encourages endangering children.

THINK OF THE CHILDREN

No, your friends are brainwashed and/or stupid. The general vox populi consist of idiots who don´t think things through. And when they at the same time are lied to and propagandized by the media, they obviously come out as intellectual dullards. The majority of people are like a leaf in the wind, this is why the saying goes if you want to change things it only takes a dedicated few. Especially when objective truth is on your side. Then those who stood against you now once they realize it, will stand behind you later on. Just recognize that these people are morons in what they believe/think they understand. Don´t make the mistake of thinking they are intelligent individuals who knows the facts and just decide to go against them anyways.

You have to tell the truth on the subject. They do it as human trafficking and they undoubtedly put a harsh damper on the economy for italy and anywhere they go because they most certainly will live on the system until they are kicked out as refugees.

Boarders exist for a reason, and if your family has an issue with that concept then you can tell them to leave their houses unlocked with their door wide open whenever they leave their house or go to sleep.

I'm sure they'll reconcile really quick how insincere they are to their own cause.

When people react like that it´s group pressure, and it´s on false pretenses. These things mean nothing to me anymore. Just realize that these people are completely lost.

why would you even hint at your power level, i guess you have some kind of ego to prove that you are right to uphold with your soon to be BBQ normie non friends.

good job user. stand by your views. we need more /pollacks doing that

Present them with a world map, particularly in africa. Morocco, algeria, tunesia, egypt etc. All could easily take them. And then they can transport them to another country in africa if they prefer. You are not 'refugee´ because you sink your fucking boat in order to illegaly immigrate to Italy. If they were refugees they would go to algeria or tunesia or something and stay there. They are average nogs who wait for ngo ships to be nearby, then scuttle their own ships and due to marine law the ship is required to take them onboard. And then the NGO ships want to set them at shore in italy instead of the north african countries.
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This is what the faggots are doing onboard the aquarius.
>why would you even hint at your power level, i guess you have some kind of ego to prove that you are right to uphold with your soon to be BBQ normie non friends.
You´re a faggot, there´s too much of this ´hiding powerlevel´ going on. If there was less of this we would have an entirely different political discussion.

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user, if you come to Italy at the airport, if you don't have ids they will put you in jail to verify you're not wanted and then send you back.
If you have a darker shade of skin, this doesn't happen.
Is there any other reason to it, honestly? This is bullshit. The laws want you to have ID. You can't break the law.

It means you challenged their persepective and used logic and reasoning. basically their worldview was shaken, and they were in disbelief at what you said. same thing happened to me. Pointed out the most intolerant are kowtowed to in a tolerant society. He asked how, told him all the food were eating is kosher. went on about religions having too much power. Pointed out that kosher is jewish and agreed with him that they have too much power. he got up and walked away.

You did right bong.

>Are we on the wrong side of history?

Show me from history one civilization that has endured mass immigration, diversity, or multiculturalism. I'll wait.

I always lay down the premise of population trends

>Well we should take them in.

At what cost though? If we make the lives better of a milliom/yr should we not help all of them?

>well no, the cost would be insanely high.

Right. And when their countries reach the population of here/America what will we do? Millions will be flooding to leave a country the size of Germany with 300 million people. Even stable mational economies cannot sustain a 5% population boom, our countries will have to feed, clothe, and house these people while our tax bases shrink and the labor force becomes even more competitive which depresses wages.

1/4 of the world will be African soon. Each of the countries in Africa will have twice their current populatios on the low end and decatouple on the high end. How many is enough? Mass migration WILL result in a global food, health, development, and poverty crisis. When 30k migrants aee crossing the ocean daily in 10 years will you say the same? Can [your country] sustain an influx of [moderately sized city's population] working age men and women into the labor economy without driving wages down and creating massive housing and food competition thus doubling the cost of living?

You should have asked them if they would be ok with the boat going to Plymouth instead.

We're collectively on the wrong side of history because our countries are run by pro-immigration normies who democratically have decided to crash western culture. If it was up to our own opinions then we wouldn't be.

But muh war, muh massacres, muh forced to cross 5 countries in peace and an ocean to avoid that

That one fake caption... whoever made this didn't even try to match the font. Bad form.

This makes me laugh, everytime. They mostly leave from Tunisia, so unsafe that Seefuchs often docks there. You can see on marinetraffic, and the place they dock in is a safe nice city with 5 stars hotels and nice cars.
Their homelands suck, but they're no reufgee. Use this against those who say those words

Don't associate with or assist the enemy.

this is (((you)))

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They are not at war they are not massacred. Want to know why i know this with 100% certainty? Because if it was the case they would go to nearest country and be happy to be out of it. There are 52 african countries. There are 57 majority muslim countries. How many of those are in conflict? maybe 5. This means the muslims have 54 options to go to. And the africans have 50 options. (somalia, libya). OH but they have much more actually. Why do middle easterners not want to go relax in africa whilst the conflict in their country is going on? Why do africans not want to go to middle east whilst the stuff
>That one fake caption... whoever made this didn't even try to match the font. Bad form.
Fake captions? you´re an idiot. Watch his mouth you can tell the captions match.

I did use this point. I live in a small town about 15 miles from the coast. I suggested if 200 people were landing daily on a local beach how they'd feel. I planted the idea of the town's local green becoming like a Lagos shanty town and all the local farmers crops being plundered to support these new shanty towns.

This was, of course, 'ridiculous!'.

>Are we on the wrong side of history?

No, they are all brainwashed.

the proper response is: "We can't afford to take care of everyone in the world when we are 16 trillion dollars in debt, let their own governments take care of them."

Sovereignty is a preferable word to nationalism
Fuck the rest of the world unless it comes to commerce

user, those people are like those who were still dancing on the Titanic when the engine room was getting flooded. I understand being empathic with them, but when you live near a reufgee center in the suburbs you change your mind ,immediately. Moreso if there are 3 million unemployed italians and the politicans prefer to help random niggers instead of them. There's a reason if anti immigration parties got nearly 70% of votes

*2000 people

just keep going against the grain they;ll eventually challenge you and you reveal you're power level and leave a giant crater in there wake of redpills.

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Good lad, keep at it. Remind them that most European countries will be minority white in 20-30 years. Remind them what has happened to other countries when whites lost power (e.g. South Africa, Zimbabwe, etc.)

Ask them if they'd be OK with Asian or African countries getting colonised by massive amounts of white colonizers. Etc.

sad. I absolutely demolish everyone when I let loose a red pill which I rarely do. Fatalities everywhere. It's rare for someone to counterargue because I speak my arguments with confidence and conviction.
I like to analyze their own behavior and call them on their bullshit. especially boomers who are against public housing, love zoning, wars that cost trillions, etc.
You really showed those terrorist putting 10k of debt on your grandkids

And besides you know that most countries that have wars or rebellions have peaceful regions. The south of Nigeria is peaceful, the north of Somalia too. Areas of Syria that were under Bashar's control were safe, as long as Israel and the gulf arab states and the US didn't help islamists any further.

I'm not a holocaust denier and don't hold racist views or think the Nazis were a group to be worshipped.

Also just literally remind them what has happened to your wonderful capital city, and imagine what'd happen with much, MUCH poorer people flooding in

Wtf, I hate human trafficking now

Unfortunately your friends are idiots.
If you ask them about, loss of green belt, extinction of native wildlife, low wages, global warming, lack of housing, overstretched NHS, and most other liberal concerns. They will find the root cause is over population. Both of the UK and the world. Yet they encourage it.

I bet you swallow the good goy semen of winston churill who sold you're country to the international banking jews.

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Why do niggers always cry about “cultural appropriation”?

Memphis bbq is shit compared to KC or Texas

exactly

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We had a similar situation several years ago with the whole "stop the boats' saga. The general consensus the public came to was that if we let them in more people would get on shitty boats and drown themselves. So in the end we stopped letting them in, and they stopped coming

In hindsight we dodged a huge fucking bullet.

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filthy jews and russian commie bastards.

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jews have owned the brits for as long if not longer then they held our colonies fuck the eternal anglo and the filthy jews who control them along with (((communism))).

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Jewish conspiracy posters derailing a proper thread.
What a surprise.
The real conspiracy is who is behind that posting to derail proper discussion about relevant topics.

stay dumb. It´s very related to the mass immigration to italy you gigantic faggot. Without the commies taking over germany (((EU))) wouldn´t even be a thing.

A testament to Jewish propaganda

It's like having a problem with your car's engine and then someone saying, 'well if we'd not being forced into internal combustion instead of steam'. It's so far removed from the original topic.

>would you want these cunts in your house with your kids there?!
>I-I

This is how you deal with these cunts. Show some fucking passion mixed with logic and facts. Get personal else you will never change their minds. How do you think we got in this mess? Britcucks too chicken shit to say what is on their mind.

But steam is the superior engine
Doesn't even need a gearbox
Doble E-20 is a testimony to the power of hot water
Unlike shoddy petroleum cars which you can't fuel from your kitchen sink

Get new friends who are not normies. You are now "that guy". Some of them will maybe agree with you in the future and are now just too afraid to have a own opinion, so do not burn your bridges completely.

No your country is just full of cucks.

Accepting a sudden influx of migrants is a Security Issue.
Stand your ground, you're protecting your country and your people.

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tell them that you met a spanish with ties with the spanish goverment that would love if they can take care of some migrants.

Then witness their pathetic excuse, and feel the blackpill.

Try not giving a fuck about others feelings

off topic but do you recommend a Brit coming to Italy to live for a few months? How will I be treated? How does it compare to UK (if you've been)?

No. It's just that most people watch too much TV. Not to imply anyone is stupid but intelligence and wisdom are 2 different things.

Well, where for starters? If you're white people will be friendly, there's no reason to do otherwise. We also still have the "foreigner" thing, because we're not a very open country. Don't worry.

No, all who are blind to the truth are being brain washed into accepting policies and changes which will ultimately lead to their downfall. To open your eyes means to sacrifice happiness in order to know the truth no matter how grim.

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It was like this in Italy too 4 years ago.
Now 60% of us agree with Salvini on this issue. Even 30% of leftists agree with sending boats back.

Don't lose hope

see you used logic the worst form of persuasion.

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its really easy to underestimate how stupid and naive normal people are. after visiting this board for years I really, really try to hold my tongue in public about these things, because most of the people would have seizures etc

What kind of lefties do you actually have for the most part? Are they actual Old Left socialists or a bunch of centre-left hippies who only care about identity politics? Because over here quite a few of the older and more hardcore lefties are anti-EU and in favour of more controlled immigration.
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There is no side of history everybody who says that is a kike faggot. Ways of thinking Are circular and Go back and forth through time

just call them kike niggers

I just noticed your flag. Story checks out. Even here, unless you are friends with the worst of city retards, you wont get that reaction.

Tell that monkey to go home to his jungle

It's funny how they never questions how these boats are full of grown up men, but there almost no children or women. They never think of those who were left behind.

Yeah kinda. I mean, they are human beans after all.

The thing is we know one way migration Elysium style doesn't work. If they want to help the migrants it's gonna take a bit more effort than letting the boats come in.

Take the moral high ground.

kill them

They were just schoked because you started talking without the talking loicense

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>If they want to help the migrants it's gonna take a bit more effort than letting the boats come in.
I DONT WANT TO HELP THEM I WANT THEM TO HELP THEMSELVES IN THEIR OWN NATIONS. These are not refugees so they can FUCK OFF!¨
>they are human beans after all.
You´re the human bean here.
>Take the moral high ground.
These people barely even have morals to begin with. The moral highground is definately that we have our nations and they have theirs.
>It's like having a problem with your car's engine and then someone saying, 'well if we'd not being forced into internal combustion instead of steam'. It's so far removed from the original topic.
What a shit analogy. The reason they wanted to destroy germany is because natsoc successfully defeated a communist overthrow attempt in germany. They wanted to sack germany so the commie jews could use it for the EU. Which is get european nations to join, then gradually remove their sovereignty and then flood them with mass immigrants, and threaten with sanctions for failure to comply. So it is very related but you don´t understand that yet.

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