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Whats wrong with separating children from their parents?

The problem is two-fold. First, when did we become a nation that WANTED closed borders? Aren't we the melting pot for a reason? I get that we're trying to protect our people from terrorists, but really, how many terrorists come here, bearing children, on foot, across the Mexican border? Secondly, I get that they are breaking the current law and so the parents "must" be detained, and I get that when American parents break the law, they are separated from their children. However, those children often have other support systems in place - they have something familiar - grandparents, other family members, school, etc. These children coming from Mexico have one thing familiar to them - their parents. How much damage are we doing to those kids by ripping that one safety away from them? And the psychological issues of those traumatized children will become our problem next...

The Republicans should just transport all the kids to LA or DC or NYC and deposit them in the houses of the media liberals. If rule of law is unimportant they should have no problem when the police don't respond to their calls and they should feel morally enriched by the experience.

Sounds a lot like cub scouts

Open your doors to the homeless, then. I surely demand you do that before you preach open national borders.

Do it faggot.

Nice link faggot. This tweet never happened.

>Aren't we the melting pot for a reason?
That's a jew meme.

>I posted it again
sage and kys

>#Turkey

I don't get it.

It's not the accommodations that are the issue. It's the fact that this whole thing could be accomplished while keeping families together while we process their asylum claim. Trump had a choice to make it stop, but is silent on the issue.

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Mexican immigration isn't a problem because of terrorism, it's a problem because of the effects of a third world country emptying its excess humans into our own. We either put a stop to it early or our nations will be dragged down and crippled under their weight.

> morality
Yes, please explain how endangering your children in a journey through jungles and deserts or at the hands of human traffickers and drug smugglers in order to violate the laws of a sovereign nation is "moral."

HOLY FUCK, IT TOOK THEM.THAT LONG TO SEE THAT PEOPLE OCCUPY DIFFERENT ONTOLOGICAL REALITIES? COLOR ME SURPRISED!
These people dont even deserve a bullet.

Haha if those kids were a few years younger, they would have no problem with planned parenthood grinding them up. Liberals dont give a shit about kids, and its very transparent.

Good thing Trump is cleaning up that mess too, you ungrateful nigger.

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If the children were not segregated into different juvenile holding facilities, they would be preyed upon by other detainees. If your family got
arrested for treapassing, would you want your children in genpop with you and a thousand rapists? Separation IS the moral option here.

How about:

>Reunite the families
>Put them on a bus that drops them on the other side of the Mexican border.
>Tell the Mexican government to deal with it

That's the only fucking thing that should happen if you are obviously a spic and can't prove that you are an American citizen.

There's no reason to be holding children. Having kids on American soil should cause American government to consider them the citizens of their parents. If one of the parents is an American citizen then the kid is American as long as it's a white child with two white parents. Otherwise it's the non-white parent's country of origin and the white parent has their American citizenship stripped.

Read the news - the border patrol is already molesting these kids.

Give them an inch, they take a mile.

>we should let criminals continue to break the law because they have children

lol
the mothers committed a crime. so they got separated. every government in the world does this to women who commit crimes

false outrage is false

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who gives a shit? they're not white children. when you hear about some achmed fucking a donkey in some mud hut outside Kabul do you care about the donkey? stop falling for jewish tricks. they're doing the same thing in the mediterranean sea by picking up niggers a mile off libya's coast and going 500 miles north to italy.
>muh niggers need rescuing
>muh spic children need rescuing

ok nobody disagrees with that. right up until

>the solution is to let them in!

if these lefty faggots want sympathy because their proposed solution requires us to stop, detain, and screen to figure out what's going on, then they should stop bitching when do those things.

the real solution is just to deport them. straight up. no detainment.

>read the news
>Says outlandish lie without even trying to source
Weak fucking bait nigger

China is cucking sand niggers lol

CNN says Glumph flew in to personally molest each and every one of them

We do have a difference in morality.
I can't believe how accepting he is on how much suffering goes on in mexico, and instead wants to virtue signal about how bad the government is for enforcing basic law and order.
People are fleeing from that shithole of a country for a reason, but apparently the biggest problem we have right now is kids being separated from their parents for a few days because that's what shows up on the news for the past few days right?

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Is it more or less moral to leave a child with a potential child trafficker?

Yes. My morality says they should not have come here illegally. Their parents should admit their crime, accept deportation and reunite the family. Your morality is pozzed.

>difference in morality

Have these people actually seen the U.S.-Mexico border? It's not a safe place bring children if you factor in the environment and criminals that our border their home.

This so much this. And yes we do have a difference in morality. His is short sighted, tooled towards instant gratification with no care for the consequences it will have for a great many others and the suffering it will cause them.

Based leaf. You can come to burger Town

America should change it's anchor baby law. In other countries, the citizenship of a new born follows that of the parents instead of the place he is born in. Also it makes easier to deport the whole family rather than just leave the child behind

>a difference in morality
Yeah, people who want deportations are pro-law and order

It's called deterrence. Before, the stakes were low. Get caught? You get released while you wait for your court date with an immigration judge.

Now? Get caught, go straight to fucking prison and have your children torn from you. This is going to make people think twice about even attempting to cross the border illegally.

Jesus fucking Christ, you people act like it's a God-given right to just pack up and take your brood with you wherever you want in the world on another country's dime. Fuck you, fuck illegals and fuck these kids too. That's MY morality, you naïve cuck.

>illegally enter the US with children
>border patrol finds you and your kids
>they have no idea if you're actually related or just some piece of shit trafficking kids for pedos
>you get separated
>you get processed
>your children get 3 square meals for a solid 2 weeks for the first time in their life and bathed on a daily basis
>you get told to fuck off and go back to mexico and take your kids with you
>your kids are now pissed because the US detention center was the best 2 weeks of their short lives.

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We certainly do. Call me when liberals are moral.

This. Libturds would be fapping if all these POC were getting abortions. It's why never fall for it when they play the Think of the Children card

>asylum

fake news

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obviously these people never saw the terrifying r9k videos

it should be a crime to drag a child across a border illegally. i say we annex mexico.

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If conditions within the detention centers are poor, then let's improve them.

What we should not do is go back to our previous 'catch and release' policy. Before it changed recently, if a parent or relative brought a child over, then we would detain them, give them a court date and just let them go. It could take years to get around to their case, meanwhile they have more children (Americans, this time).

So by the time you deport the original relative or parent, there may be several new "Americans" who can sponsor more of their relatives to come on over to the U.S.

It's bullshit, man. So let's improve the conditions, but stop pretending that separating kids from their parents is some moral evil when we do it to literally millions of American citizens who are imprisoned and separated from their children.

Your kids don't get to go to jail with you, and you don't get a free pass just for having kids.

Yet you say nothing regarding the degenerate parents bringing them? Is it up to me to care or fix the problem or is it up to their parents to take responsiblity for their actions and their child?

>It's called deterrence
Why stop at that when you can have prevention? Lock up ALL people - they can't do anything you don't want them to do if they literally exist in a cage, right?

When youve nothing better do do because your a beta cuck dem sleeping on your futon after getting your butt ripped to shreds in an election and your response to losing is "Muh Russia Muh feels"...

We dont have a difference in just politics we have a difference in being gullible fuckheads

Uh oh.

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why do these chuckle fucks act like these kids were having a great time until DHS put them in a detention center where they get a soft bed, clean clothes, warm showers, and hot food 3 times a day?

You think those kids got that shit while travelling the desert in a cramped Dodge minivan? They didn't even get a life that good when they were back in Mexico.

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>If conditions within the detention centers are poor, then let's improve them
How about just eliminate them? Would that be bad?

The only moral way to fix this problem is with an iron pimp hand and boot these fuckers back from whence the came.

>ripped from their parents
The memo went out to all libtards to use this phrase.

>take responsiblity for their actions
You don't hold that standard to state goons who harass and kidnap people - you think they're completely unresponsible for each and every evil they commit in the name of "doing their job".

>And the psychological issues of those traumatized children will become our problem next...

Not if we send them all back.

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The conditions aren't poor though. They get a fucking soft bed, showers, play time, tv, and 3 hot meals.

That sure as hell beats food & water whenever the coyote is feeling nice and the constant threat of rape.

>when did we become a nation that WANTED closed borders

the second welfare became a thing

How about not having kidnapping centers at all though?

>muh slippery slope fallacy

One of those has already committed a crime, dumbass

You're either a nation of laws and borders or you're not a nation.

Considering you'd pick "not a nation" you should probably pack your bags and fuck off.

Yes we do have a difference. You're a faggot, and im not

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Let's compromise...….how about we just lock up all the people that break laws? You know, people committing illegal acts? You'd agree also that a child shouldn't be left in the custody of a criminal, right?

>3 square meals for a solid 2 weeks...
Not just that
>Any medical help they need, which means they likely get the first professional medical exam in their lives by decent American doctors.
>Education
>A safe place to interact with other children

We're basically putting each kid through summer camp on the US' dime, and these idiot liberal scum dare to complain?

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shows what you know

the REAL problem is that there are many legitimately-trying immigrants, but THERE IS AN ARMY OF IMMIGRATION LAWYERS THAT KEEP THESE PEOPLE HOPING....the very fact that you do not know this shows you are uninformed

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To be fair American propaganda is extremely adamant that this is not the case - American style capitalism "won history" and all

Surely there's some solution we can work towards wherein neither of those things happen

Just because the alternative is worse doesn't mean we can shrug off the difficulties we're imposing on these people crossing the border, if there are ways to lessen them at no or low cost (which there are) surely we are obligated to take advantage of them

The alternative may very well be worse, and furthermore most of these people get deported without their cases being heard fairly

>t. beaner who realizes he and his family have to go back

No I'm literally asking you WHY we shouldn't do that. What do you think would be wrong with locking everyone up if your concern is simply to stop people from doing x y or z?

>ripped from their parent's womb

They're not being kidnapped you dumb fuck. They're being separated while their "GUARDIAN" is processed. We have no fucking idea if their "GUARDIAN" is actually related to them at all or if they're a well known sex trafficker.

The southern border is rife with sex trafficking.
This is the "HORRIBLE CONDITIONS" you're bitching about. This shit is a million times better than their homes in Mexico.

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That was over 8 years , compared to how many are currently in the system. Also, they were never separated from their parents unless the parent had commited a felony that was going to land them in American jail, not deportation.

>Secondly, I get that they are breaking the current law and so the parents "must" be detained

So how do you not get that kids can't be detained with their parents because of a law suit that forbids it? You're a fucking idiot.

>how about we just lock up all the people that break laws
That depends on the law. You don't want people locked up for hate speech laws - the NATURE of the law matters. If the law is unjust, it should be scorned and ignored.

Because the democrats aren't getting free votes.

What time of fucking insane asshole do you have to be to consider this "deplorable conditions":
youtube.com/watch?time_continue=35&v=yzat9MRNIlg

These kids are eating better than public school children in California.

Why did democrats think this was okay when Obama did it?

No borders, no federal income tax.

SAY IT WITH ME>

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yes, let the hate flow thru you

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Except his information is 200% false. Thanks for playing.

>They're not being kidnapped
I don't know what else you would call being forcibly taken by thugs against your will and locked up in a strange place other than kidnapping. What would you call it?

Uyghurs are Turkic people

So they should leave them with the sex traffickers? Is that what you're advocating? Obama did that. You remember? It resulted in 1500 kids disappearing.

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The separation of kids from parents is a new thing under trump zero tolerance policy.

But the Turks love genocides.

How immoral are these illegal immigrant parents? What kind of parent would put their kid at risk like that?

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5000 shill threads on this topic today.
Suck spic cock OP
sage

lol is canada actually still able to post on 4 chan?

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The dictator that runs turkey is always ranting about raising an Islamic army to help oppressed Muslims world wide
I’m guessing it’s a plea to him

morality is literally just an opinion though?

Where do you get the welfare money from? No GIBS no beggars

No.

This is plainly false. In 1997, the federal government made an agreement in a case called Flores not to keep unaccompanied illegal immigrant children in custody beyond 20 days. The settlement said nothing about accompanied illegal immigrant children – children who crossed the border with their parents. The Ninth Circuit Court of Appeals then ruled that accompanied children also could not be held in custody under the terms of the settlement. This meant that the government either had to release whole families, or that the government had to separate parents from children.

If only you all were smart enough to acknowledge this.

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