If anything we should be consolidating branches due to redundancy. As it is, everything the USMC does can be done by the Army and most of USAF personnel perform non-aviation support duties which the Army can do. The surface Navy is obsolete.
I support the military 100%. I support space exploration and defense 100%. But this is just stupid.
This is coming from a Trump voter and USAF retiree.
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its not for incoming meteor storm
there are actual air force servicemen who are posted on the airforce webchat help forum. you can go troll them now if you like.
The point of the creation of the space force is to dilute the power of the other branches that have been disloyal to the Office of the President. Space Branch takes responsibility for the ultimate high ground, where all communication satellites are, where all recce sats are... they will also pull budget from the ricebowls of others. This is an organizational warfare move.
Interesting but do you have any evidence of this?
BUILD SPACE WALL!!!
so you're saying the marines can be replaced by the army, and the air force doesn't fly planes? how is the navy obsolete when it's needed for delivering air force assets? how does any of this address the militarization and weaponizing of space? what a lame thread rabbi
What type of xenos are you hoping for, Jow Forums? Alien aliens? Starship trooper bugs? Or do you hope to be purging villages of cuddly little bears on a forest moon for their oil?
I agree, the space force is stupid. Humans can barely get small payloads into space, and nobody is going to be fighting each other in space. Besides "rods from God" are much less powerful than nuclear weapons. Everyone is going to fight each other on the ground, with ethnic cleansing.
> USAF retiree
Umerica Space Astronaut Force?
>space force
We gundam now?
> still unironically believing in 4D chess
Gotta stop those fucking Orkz from coming in and looting everything
lmao, op you're an idiot if you think airmen are anywhere even in the same ball park as a grunt marine. oh just kys before we have to waste a bullet on you lol, lmao, airmen are the same as marines..that's rich
Still being a total hogglodyte faggot.
when will I be allowed to enlist
What Air Force assets does the Navy deliver?
so let us fucking handle it you defeatist, stay in your dumb ass country and die like the loser you are. we'll fucking handle it, as usual.
Space Force will be a bunch of people sitting around watching radars. Which I think they already have people doing anyways.
Imagine a space base with armed missiles, with ships that could reach in minutes to any point on earth, if you control the space you control the earth
It will never get off the ground needs congressional approval and is opposed by the generals. Yet another distraction with little to no popular support.
We have to strike the Martians first before their tripods can touchdown on earth
Hey look! It’s another idiot that thinks the Marine Corps is redundant! Oh shit! SURPRISE SURPRISE MOTHERFUCKER it’s a fucking retard zoomie! I guess the MAGTF capability and 72-hour global reaction-force capability that the Army is 100% incapable of is a redundancy! I’m guessing that you’re more an expert that the generals at JSOC who determined that MARSOC fulfills a unique role for which only Marines are eminently qualified! And here I am guessing that you already know that the Army doesn’t have 1/100th of the fixed-wing capability of the Marine Corps’ airwings, much less the rotary-wing capabilities to operate off of carriers as a quick-reaction force that are used ~25 times more often in overseas engagements than any Army unit! I guess you’re just aware of the Marines being pigeonholed into acting as land-holding infantry forces in Iraq and Afghanistan and think that you’re an expert by claiming that that specific role can be done by the Army, which although technically correct, the Army proved it is lousy at compared to the Marines, which can be seen to any actual engaged observer via the battles in Fallujah, Ramadi, Marjah, and Sangin. But don’t let all those facts stop from making more idiotic claims Tech Sgt!
This is definitely the case.
Leaks during the election cycke suggested that the NSA, CIA and FBI were being monitored by the Geospatial something or other agency who was backing Trump amidst all the corruption.
But how else will the military get to waste those billions?
There will be no aliens. This is LEO shit.
I thought expanding the current airforce would have been better than creating a completely new branch, since convential warfare in space is weird given that there aren’t any military threat from space and any development in that area seems to be directionaless.
>usaf retireee
Nobody asked some Israeli welfare queen
Couldn't some fighter jets already reach near orbit velocity and still function? Space fighters aren't that far away but I doubt they could operate far from the Earth in the beginning.
Also attacking someone from orbit is the best when it comes to expecting resistance. Same with orbital deployments of infantry or mechanical units. If they can get past the atmosphere without burning up that is.
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If you ask me it would be in the US interest to NOT open up a separate branch entirely but merge them in a AeroSpace hybrid of sorts.
jet fuel
>he still doesn't know about the widespread military laser weaponry amd hyper advanced nuclear powered drones
WHERE TO JOIN THE USSF?
>We Starship Troopers now
But the toys won't get bought then
Everything should just be Navy desu. If you think about it, the Navy already has their own private army, and their own private air force. The Navy's army has their own air force.
I'm hoping for annunaki to come and wipe out the shitskins.
>“I was saying it the other day—’cause we’re doing a tremendous amount of work in space—I said, maybe we need a new force. We’ll call it the Space Force,” Trumpsaid during a speech in March. “And I was not really serious. And then I said, what a great idea. Maybe we’ll have to do that. That could happen.”
>given that there aren’t any military threat from space
There's a lot you don't know
>72-hour global reaction-force capability that the Army is 100% incapable of
I'm sorry, but the 82nd is capable and perpetually prepared to deploy anywhere on the face of the Earth within 24 hours. It's part of their doctrine.
It's an inevitable step given private interests in space exploration. Also, it is an inevitable part of the military-industrial complex. If we don't own our orbit someone else will stake a claim, and could potentially weaponize.
Handling satellite images, gps, communications, radar, radio (bounces off ionosphere, thats their jurisdiction now? Lol idk) writing code to prevent losing sats to malicious attacks or whatever, and who knows what else, theres alot they could be tasked with
Space Force sounds so retarded. Like a kid came up with it. Will never become a reality, just more distractions from the crying immigrant children on the news.
>conventional warfare in space is weird
It'll open up once people start knocking each other's satellites out of orbit.
> YOU ARE HUGE! THAT MEANS YOU HAVE HUGE GUTS!
don't believe everything you see on tv
Muh funding
>If anything we should be consolidating branches due to redundancy. As it is, everything the USMC does can be done by the Army and most of USAF personnel perform non-aviation support duties which the Army can do. The surface Navy is obsolete.
This was tried after ww2, but the Korean war, and subsequent wars, demonstrated the need for dedicated branches for Navy and Marine Corps. Separating things into different braches based on overall mission is more efficient.
>USAF retiree
Your branch is a spinoff of Army Air so don't think anything you say about "redundancy" means jack shit.
But why would you need a coompletely new military branch to do that? To be honest, the US military probably already hire private contractors for these things already, these aren’t normally things they develope in house.
Spaceforce is awesome
Remember that time Trump said he was gonna make a space force
he also said he'll make anime real
This is similar to my theory as well.
A new agency doesn't reduce the military industrial complex (which is far too entrenched right now), so they're happy kept happy.
Taking some aspects of each branch and giving it all to the space force means that it dilutes the power of the other existing branches.
Taking some of the money that normally goes to each branch and giving it to the space force also dilutes the other branches (and doesn't upset the military industrial complex as a whole).
NASA has failed in its mission and this arguably makes them redundant (especially given how infested with SJW types its become).
Air Force has also failed to invest in and control this part of the military gameboard, only making small efforts in this areas. (giving good reason why they shouldn't be the ones in control here).
Everyone knows that space will be a battleground if we ever have another major war, so the justification for its existence can't really be questioned.
I can't see this as anything other than a brilliant move by Trump. Let's hope that congress isn't fucking retarded and actually codify this into law.
The marines could be replaced with robots, maybe the Army to an extent.
Is this pre or post boogie meltdown?
FUCK YOU FAGGOT WE GONNA
MAKE SPACE GREAT AGAIN.
>everything the USMC does can be done by the Army
T. soldier
Get raped
>The surface Navy is obsolete.
God damn the stupid just keeps on flowing like gold
Anything you can do I can do better
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>USAF retiree
butthurt chairforce detected, get fucked airboy
Let the the_Donald cuckistani spergs have their fantasy and think they're going to be Starship Troopers n sheit
Ill raise you one virginia-class
Wheres your surface fleet now?
I'm not gonna bother to read your thread.
You're retarded and probably not an actual air Force retiree.
Surface Navy is 100% needed and this is coming from a Navy veteran.
Space force will eventually be needed and it's good to get a head start.
Fuck off
>oh no we defeated ourselves with our own subs.
Btw your tricky wording made it seem like the entire navy is obsolete. Subs are way OP
Im losing weight right now so I have the chance to join when this branch is created. I have other goals but if what I'm doing now isn't fruitful then I'll have the space force or another military branch to fall back on as a life goal.
>not having space based assets when the technology exists even among several rival nations
Would enlist.
Drumph single handedly, shuts up flat earthers.
Yes it pains me to write “earthers”.
Do you retards think this will be anything other than orbital weapons?
There's nothing to fight out in space other than Brazilians.
I dont know any foreign subs, the point i was making are masters of the ruler and compass rule the waves
what about hey lemaus and space chinks?
>Couldn't some fighter jets already reach near orbit velocity.
Unless they have Reaction Control Systems (Like on the space shuttle or X-15) and a heat shield they are not going into orbit.
Yeah but there's a Brazilian of them.
Seems to me before you have a space “force”, you need space “craft”. Currently the US has ZERO capability to put humans into orbit, much less fight a war. For fucks sake, NASA has been starved for funding for so long that our next system for deluveting humans into space is still years away from being operational, and its a leap backwards to the 60s capsule based systems. We are probably fifty years away from needing a space force, unless they are planning to return to Apollo era funding of spaceflight research.
This is what I was thinking desu
Hence the creation of a space force
>fallujah
You mean when the marines were defeated and had to be rescued by the army, which then seized the town?
>he doesn't know that Thor is real and he's owned by the USAF
This. The Army has an actual justification for having its own airwing that it controls, something for ground support like the A-10 or the AC-130 and yet here we have an Airforce vet talking about needing to consolidate.
Being an Army vet myself, I do believe some kind of ground attack fixed wing aircraft would be useful for the Army, but I fully realize that if there were no dept of the Airforce, that the Army wouldn't have been able to really specialize its investment, in the way the Airforce has and that our general air superiority capabilities would have been severely hampered.
Despite some of my personal opinions about how the Army needs its own airwing, I realize that pragmatically, we need the Airforce because of how they so effectively focus on one specific part of the battlefield, and that forces them to be really really good at that one role.
>IT'S GONNA BE YUGE
>IT'S GONNA HAVE YUGE GUTS
The military industrial complex bucks will go to research and development of new crafts and it won't be filled with NASA feminists. NASA has failed and is dead.
This. Army bailed their asses out bigly.
Of course, there is the "black budget" stuff that they don't talk about. Things like autonomous drone space planes that can stay in orbit for years and then fly back. There are trillions (!) missing from the Pentagon budget.
He who controls the spice controls the universe
Oh yes I know. Valiant Thor.
*Adrenochrome
WE DARLING IN THE FRANXX NOW
They won't build the spacecraft necessary though. The Airforce has had defacto control over space for decades, and they've done practically zero investment into this field of warfare.
>inb4 the 1 space drone and nuke rockets
This is the absolute bare minimum investment possible.
The Airforce has proven that it is either incapable, or uninterested in focusing on its obvious role in space, this is why further decentralization of the military branches is apparently necessary.
The Airforce is really good at maintaining air superiority within a terrestrial environment, but they've proven (for 50 years now) that they're absolutely terrible at maintaining any kind of proper space based presence.
Usually I don't chime into military discussions (Ranger Special Forces, we keep silent until called upon) but I couldn't help but notice this crayon eating retard mouthing off on Jow Forums of all places. Listen here, Jarhead. You will NEVER be anything more than a part-time bullet catcher for a bunch of gay twins on a boat. The Big Green wins wars, you just show up every now and then to look pretty for your cameras in your fancy dress uniform while you snort ketamine with your buddies and drink light beer. I've jumped out of airplanes, survived in the mountains of Afghanistan, disabled IEDs and screamed into the face of Haji before stabing him in the chest and making love to his wife. And guess WHAT? I didn't have the luxury of floating back to my love boat at the end of the day. We sleep in drainage ditches until mortar-shelled rain down and we get up and we fight. And it never ends because war NEVER ends and the only thing that will make the stop-losses stop is a bullet in my ducking brain. You're welcome for my service.
>Seems to me before you have a space “force”, you need space “craft”
Why would we make space craft weaponized if they didn't have a branch to be used by?
We need to start from the ground up, training and personnel. Then we update the training when the ships and facilities are built.
The army didn't start with tanks it started with soldiers
Don't be too hard on the Marines my Army brother, they stay busy keeping their fancy dress uniforms clean. It's a hard job, but someone has to do it.
Space niggers
How can I join the space force
>2008 analysis showing that the fragmentation of space superiority between the different departments of government has left the USA lacking in a focused space based way to wage war/defense.
I hate trump
but this idea is not stupid
it's great and come before it's time
Ranger Special Forces? More like full of shit.
>I know where we can find the authorizations
Fuck off, OSD.
Their fucking planes that we have more of.
T. Active Navy
So you think Trump has a great idea but you still hate him for it?
There's actual Air Force people here. I agree with him.