So what really happened?

>but our opinions are almost entirely shaped by the media and movies

Not necessarily, there is a large volume of scholarly work on the Holocaust. I think it would take some degree of intellectual dishonesty to dismiss all publications and first hand documents of it.

Germany was sick of a bunch of assholes who happened to be jewish (but to be fair it was a LOT) fucking them over, so their new leader starts to round them up to get them to fuck off, also tries to start German Empire 2:Electric Boogaloo, now during war you have to decide where to allocate resources and Germany wasn't doing too hot, so Jews seen as the enemy of the state didn't get much food and sanitation wasn't great so hunger and tuberculosis/typhus happened, also some assholes with authority took the initiative to do some fucked up shit, the allies capitalized on this to twist the truth and win morale superiority.

this

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Someone's T R I G G E R E D

I love fiction too

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>Germany was sick of a bunch of assholes who happened to be jewish (but to be fair it was a LOT) fucking them over,

How did they fuck them over? inb4 stab in the back meme

The most ironic thing of all time is that the mythology that has built up around the holocaust--all of the make up horror stories, lampshades, soap, and gas chambers--it's all going to be used as the template for the next purging of Europe as those in charge try to live up to what they have been taught the Nazis actually did.

According to my great grandmother?
A shitty time with shitty beds but she got to be part of a group raising angora rabbits and made friends with a german nurse so not all that bad. Then the russians came and raped her friend and some orthodox jews who never bathed unless the germans forced them ate all her rabbits when supply shipments were interrupted.

Then she ran off to belgium, married a man, converted to being a catholic, and got as far away from commies as she could. Spent the rest of her life being angry at jews and russians while growing sunflowers.

at what camp was your grandma held at?

Jews started a war with Germany. Hitler stuck them in camps. Jews lied about the reasons they died in the camps.

The End.

>Jews started a war with Germany

what land did the Jews invade? what military did the Jews have?

It really happened.

It really is exaggerated and exploited for political and financial gain.

Typhus epidemic because the filthy scum refused to shower

about 800,000 - 1.4 million Jews were intentionally killed due to typhus

six gazillion were industrially murdered in one of the most monstrous genocides in modern history

The Bolsheviks were mainly compromised of Jews and they were aiming for a one world socialist style government. Their involvement also led to the German Revolution of 1918 and the creation of the (((SPD))) party

Bullshit

>The Bolsheviks were mainly compromised of Jews

In the beginning of the Russian Revolution there did exist a relatively high number of Jews in the upper echelon of the Bolsheviks. However, by the time WW2 had begun Stalin had purged much of the Jews and all of the original members of the Politburo.

>they were aiming for a one world socialist style government

Stalin had a socialism in one country policy

A lot of fascists were pretty big fans of Stalin early on because of exactly that. Also,
>Stalin had a socialism in one country policy
We should have kept going and stomped him, too. Destroying Germany and not defeating Russia too was a mistake.

Not enough...

Lublin

1 million Jews were murdered but 78 million people died in the war in total and literally nobody gives a fuck about anyone who died except the fucking dead Jews because they force mandatory Holocoaster classes on kids to brainwash them.

>Destroying Germany and not defeating Russia too was a mistake

Germany declared war on us lad, it's not like we had much of a choice

This happened you antisemites

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Zyklon B is a delousing agent.
Typhus is spread by lice

Hi, I made this a few months ago. Its easy proof to disprove any argument for a holocaust happening:

WWII Lasted a total of 6 years.

Assuming that Hitler started gassing Jews since day 1, that makes for 3,153,600 minutes.

6,000,000 Jews killed during 3,153,600 minutes comes out to 1.9 Jews per minute. That means Hitler killed roughly 1 Jew every 30 seconds. (LOL)

In Auschwitz, the most famous and biggest concentration camp, there are 15 crematoriums. According to Auschwitz survivors, Jews would go into the chamber, gassed for 15-20 minutes, then put into the oven.

It takes 1 hour to cremate a body using modern furnaces which operate at much higher temperatures than the traditional ovens at the camp. However, lets say that the ovens were operating at a level that we see today, that means it would take 1 hour, 20 minutes to gas and burn 15 Jews assuming they were all burned simultaniously. (Disregarding the time it would take for the gas to empty the chamber for the bodies to be transported from the chamber to the oven.) The elevators used to transport bodies were very slow and could only take up 7 bodies at a time with their weight capacity. However, for our greatest ally, we're going to assume that bodies were teleported instantly from chamber to oven.

That means 15 Jews were gassed and burned every 1.2 hours. That comes out to exactly 300 Jews every 24 hours (Assuming the gassing and burning of Jews was happening every hour straight for 6 years on an uninterrupted basis) the total # of killed jews would be 657,000 for those 6 years. The official Jewish story is that 4,000,000 Jews were killed at Auschwitz alone.

How can any Jew, Israeli, or Shill ever even argue this story when just simple math is enough to destroy the whole argument? Can any Jews respond to this?

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275000 people total died because of wartime disease and starvation.
Then the soviets told everyone they were killed in fake gas chambers and that there was 6 million.

Every other answer is wrong

Does your grandma remember how many were killed around her during her time at the camp?

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Numbers still don't add up even with the 1.1-1.5 million revision even with the benefit of the doubt.

Can anyone disprove the math?

>fake gas chambers

I mean according to testimonies of the Nazis themselves gas chambers were indeed used. It's hard to imagine a conspiracy of that scale would be corroborated by both Nazi prison guards and high command

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Fuck off, Simon Wiesenthal Center

Also another note on this is that aushwitz was only active i think for 2 or 3 years. Something else to jog your noggin

>It takes 1 hour to cremate a body using modern furnaces which operate at much higher temperatures than the traditional ovens at the camp.

Got a problem there chap. It takes a lot less than 1 hour to cremate a body. They could do it in less than an hour in the 1870s.

ia802607.us.archive.org/11/items/cremationdead00eassgoog/cremationdead00eassgoog.pdf

(page 125)

Good argument

>with chocolate
lmao. ok I believe now.

They gassed clothes, mattresses and blankets to kill bed bugs and lice. They also shaved their heads to get rid of lice.

Also pic related is a document from the manufacturers of the Auschwitz crematoriums. The death toll is quite realistic based on their own estimates.

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Source?

The fuck are you talking about modern day furnaces can't even cremate a body faster than an hour.
Your fellow kikes at google even say it takes 2-2 1/2 hours

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Its common knowledge bed bugs and lice are a big problem in camps. Google it.

I recall she mentioned a few times the Germans did kill people - though she amended this with that they had it coming (they allowed self-policing within the communities at the camp but sometimes those police would be corrupt, rapist shitbags so a bullet happens while people watch). People died of disease or starvation especially towards the end. A few political prisoners got shot every once in awhile, standard war shit. I doubt she had any solid number since she described it as heavily segregated communities to keep domestic violence down in the camps.

Then the russians came and raped and killed a bunch of people (especially those who were previously 'intellectual' types but also brought food which was alright for a bit. Germans had mostly pulled out by the time the soviets arrived with only a handful of humanitarian staff (like her nurse friend) and some guards for those who stayed behind who tried to keep a semblance of order alongside the communal police groups. Most of those guards got super murdered by the reds.

She passed away a decade ago, wish she was still around so I could've asked her more. Especially now that I'm not an idiot child that had most of it go over my head back in the day.

hitler planned it all along to create sympathy for his jewish overlords. the alliance and betrayal by russia and the germany losing the war as well. it was the biggest psyop of all time

>In Auschwitz-Birkenau, the authorities had no respect for the dead and did not abide by civilian rules of cremation. They burned multiple bodies at once and the process was continuous. It is a false comparison to equate the cremations at Auschwitz-Birkenau with civilian crematoria. The civilian crematorium oven is heated up and cooled down for each cremation. These civilian ovens are also cleaned out after each use. The body is usually burned together with a coffin or other container, which lengthens the time required to complete the process. On average, it takes between two and three hours for each cremation, depending on the oven and the body being cremated.

>Rudolf Höss, the commandant of Auschwitz-Birkenau, confirmed accounts of burning multiple bodies in each muffle: “Depending on the size of the bodies, up to three bodies could be put in through one oven door at the same time. The time required for cremation also depended on the number of bodies in each retort, but on average it took twenty minutes."

No need to be rude lad

Hitler was far too kind
And it cost him everything

What really happened:
>Germany had been completely and unfairly fucked over after ww1
>degeneracy was running rampant and a Jewish communist element was rising
>hitler campaigned on restoring Germany’s national pride and stopping these foreign elements from seizing power
>More importantly, his economic system did not use a central bank. (((Global elites))) did not like this
>Germany’s economy exploded and they went from destitute to a superpower in just a few years
>elites got terrified other countries would follow suit and eliminate their own debt based economies
>hitler signs the Havaara agreement, which deports jews to palestine and ensures they keep their wealth intact
>meanwhile ethnic Germans living in what is now Poland are being persecuted unjustly; hitler goes in to retake rightful German clay
>this is all the excuse globalists need to start a war to eliminate this threat to their power
>it’s wartime and hitler can no longer safely deport Jews, so he puts them in camps
>typhus breaks out, combined with lack of food and hundreds of thousands die in the camps
>war ends, victors write the history books in such a way as to paint hitler as the most evil man to ever live, ensuring that any country that tries to cut out central banks can be compared to evil nazis
>this also provides an excuse for jews to get special treatment for eternity, and the holocaust narrative was born
>in the millions of seized documents after the war, not one scrap of evidence was ever found that pointed to any plan to kill Jews
>all camps investigated by the US were found to not be death camps, despite initial claims that they all were
>only the camps that the soviets (jewish bolsheviks) inspected were officially “death camps” and we have evidence that they were reconstructed as such after the war
>holocaust mythology is built and built upon to extort more money from Germany and sell books by “survivors”

And that’s the story of the greatest lie ever told, world war 2.

I was just wanting a source for your particular claim if you had one

>though she amended this with that they had it coming

was your Grandma a self loathing Jew by chance?

Math doesn't add up at all you dumb fuck and that is giving them the benefit of the doubt.
The numbers that he states were burned per year have already been revised by your kike historians.

Theres huge fucking building in aushwitz behind the camp that its sole purpose was to disinfect mattresses and clothes with zyklon b. The rooms that were used for the disinfecting had stains of blue on the walls from the high exposue of zyklon b unlike the gas chambers they supposedly used. Also did you know that the aushwitz gas chamber was reconstructed and no the supposedly real one at all. It was reconstructed by the soviets. Chimney was never originally there and the holes in the roof were installed later on. The room was originally an office area that was seperated into 5 rooms including a bathroom. Then it was turned in to an air shelter for soldiers. Then turned into a reconstructed version of the gas chambers according to what the soviets were told.

Jews realized they were getting too rich so killed off the weak jews to consolidate wealth and power

Self-loathing no. Other loathing, yes.
She very much loved herself and her family but fuck those kikes. Its why she converted.

Was pretty weird though when she started getting dementia and going between childhood jew speak and praying for jesus to come save her.

Do you understand that burning more than one body in a small chamber will take longer than burning one at a time

Nothing

>Math doesn't add up at all

Your working with a false premise lad, I already showed you the numbers you are working with are wrong. I showed you the manufacturers of the crematoriums themselves corroborated the numbers along with a number of former Nazis in both prison guard roles and in high command. You can take this information how you'd like but the fact you're being so rude and spouting insults shows me that you are not used to getting confronted on this narrative you've constructed.

>The numbers that he states were burned per year have already been revised by your kike historians.

Source?

>unlike the gas chambers they supposedly used

Incorrect,, there were high concentrations of cyanide ion in the gas chamber walls of the in the Former Auschwitz and Birkenau Concentration Camps

phdn.org/archives/holocaust-history.org/auschwitz/chemistry/iffr/report.shtml

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So your Grandma was born a Jew, raised by Jews, lived as a Jew but hated Jews? huh

Right which is why Rudlof said:

>The time required for cremation also depended on the number of bodies in each retort, but on average it took twenty minutes.

This is the time for one body as corroborated by the manufacturer:

>The instructions from Topf & Sons for their double muffle furnaces suggested that a body might be added to the oven during the last 20 minutes of the prior cremation. That is, a body could be added to the oven before the last body was fully cremated. The instructions say: “As soon as the remains of the bodies have fallen from the chamotte grid to the ash collection channel below, they should be pulled forward towards the ash removal door, using the scraper. Here they can be left for a further twenty minutes to be fully consumed . . . In the meantime, further bodies can be introduced one after the other into the chambers.” According to Topf’s calculations, this would result in a 25-minute burning cycle for each body

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I read it in a book that they had to constantly gas clothes, beds and blankets to combat bed bugs and lice. That's also why they shaved their heads. There are also tons of Jews who say the worst part of their 3 years in the death camp was the lice and bed bugs.

Jews started WWII and then made shit up so everybody goes boo-hoo then Israel.

>he fell for the stab in the back didn't real meme
Goyim you have much to learn

If its undeniable truth then they would allow visitors to test it for themselves they don't allow that. The walls are not stained at all unlike the disinfectant chambers. Also the building was reconstructed so its the original chamber building so there shouldn't be any concentration of zyklon b at all actually. So I guess my argument is flawed in that sense since its not the original.
Your in the hate box why are you surprised that someone is rude on here?

Yeah 1.3 million per a year doesn;t fit with the official narrative on aushwitz right now since on about 1.1 million died there since the revision.

jewishvirtuallibrary.org/how-many-people-died-at-auschwitz

>Rudolf Höss could have testified at the Nuremberg Trials. Why didn't he?
Was that written in Rudolf Höss's confession? The one written in English, a language he didn't speak?

>thinking you deserve one

Nobody believes Jews anymore

So the nazis had access to furnaces that were able to cremate bodies in 20-25min and our modern day furnaces only can cremate them in an hour to 2 hours? Is that right?

He confessed to burning dead bodies. People die every day, more so in a camp. Those that died in a concentration camp died of disease and needed to be burned to prevent diseases from spreading.

The Stab in the Back was merely a scapegoat pushed by Ludendorff to explain the German Army's defeat in WW1. Past the hundred days offensive Germany stood no chance in winning the war. The German Army was defeated in the field, not by elements on the homefront

Garbage. Stalin did purge some Jews in the higher ranks but also left some alone and left the rank and file intact. According to Solzhenitsyn, 40% of the wartime NKVD were Jews and 90% of the Gulag commandants.

none of that matters they have already admit it wasnt true or atleast extremely exagerated

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>they don't allow that

They very clearly do, a number of tests have been conducted

>Jean-Claude PressacWikipedia's W.svg (1944–2003) — a French pharmacist who used to be a Holocaust denier, who in 1979 undertook a forensic examination of the Auschwitz gas chambers. The result? He was shocked by the overwhelming evidence. In 1989 he published a book that confirmed the established view that the gas chambers were functional, killing between 631,000 and 711,000 prisoners

>Also the building was reconstructed so its the original chamber building so there shouldn't be any concentration of zyklon b at all actually

The ruins of the former gas chambers still exist though and those have been tested numerous times.

>Your in the hate box why are you surprised that someone is rude on here?

Just because we're on Jow Forums lad doesn't mean we need to speak to one another like edgy teenagers

>Yeah 1.3 million per a year doesn;t fit with the official narrative on aushwitz right now since on about 1.1 million died there since the revision.

There's not one accepted death toll for Auschwitz lad. The numbers range from 800k-1.3M depending on the historian you ask. Just as WW2 has varying death tolls worldwide but I very much doubt that you'd consider that a hoax as well

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Considering it was corroborated by a number of other Nazi officials I'd say it's safe to consider his testimony as accurate

Refer to

>According to Solzhenitsyn, 40% of the wartime NKVD were Jews and 90% of the Gulag commandants.

Source?

The treaty of versailles was the stab in the back. Also jews tried to instate a communist regime in germany in 1918-1919 by starting a civil war. When hitler wasn't even a known figure at the time and the nazi party didn't exist. The state of judea also declared war on germany first

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International Red Cross claimed about 325.000 Jews died .

I'm not arguing with you on that, because you're right. The point I'm making is that Höss was available to testify at the Nuremberg Trials, but the Allies didn't want him in court because he would've said he that his "confession" was tortured out of him.

Still doesn't factor in the 7 minutes that the elevators take. Away from the subject of Auschwitz; Belzek Treblinka, and Sobibor were said to be burned on giant BarbeJew grills which has no physical, archaeological evidence, is physically impossible in various ways (see burning blood, etc) and has almost no eyewitness corroboration other than a few sources that have all been proven to have lied heavily in their reports.

Sometimes I stop and wonder, "Has this place brainwashed me? Did the holocaust actually happen?"
And then there'll be such obvious bullshit that I'm reminded why I began to doubt in the first place.

>The treaty of versailles was the stab in the back

That's not what the stab in the back theory consists of lad. If you are referring to Versailles that's a different discussion entirely. You can blame Woodrow Wilson for that meme treaty

>Also jews tried to instate a communist regime in germany in 1918-1919 by starting a civil war

The German Revolution was instigated by the Kiel Mutiny. Ethnic German sailors who refused orders to sail into what was a suicide mission

>The state of judea also declared war on germany first

What military did Judea have? What land did they occupy?

>jews declared war on hitler
>hitler put jews in pow camps

goyim. stop thinking immediately. he just resisted the zyklon B gas because the big cyanide atoms couldnt fit in his small child lungs.

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>Belzek Treblinka, and Sobibor were said to be burned on giant BarbeJew grills which has no physical, archaeological evidence, is physically impossible in various ways (see burning blood, etc) and has almost no eyewitness corroboration other than a few sources that have all been proven to have lied heavily in their reports.

Source?

They had Excessive flatulence from being lactose intolerant and gassed themselves

nah dem niggas were just smoking gas

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God damn it, you fucking snakes know you're Athens. Of course you didn't have an actual landmass and an officially military to call your own, because that's not how you guys worked. Doesn't change the fact that you were actively plotting coups and social upheavals all over Europe. As long as you're loyal to each other before your host nation, it doesn't matter how dispersed you are.

After the Havaara agreement, German Jews switched sides. Jews are media savvy and contacted American Jewish press and changed American war sentiments, eventually getting Americans hyped to kill some Huns.

Visitors not people already paid off to continue pushing the narrative. If they have undeniable proof they should not fear investigation. Your numbers that you referred to as the official numbers said they were burning 1.3 million bodies per a year. You just flipped your stance on supporting that argument. Yeah if there a remants of a room that contains zyklon b doesn't necessarily mean its a gas chamber. The disinfectant chambers for example had hugh concentrations of zyklon b and that produced blue stains. Its takes huge amount of zyklon b to kill a room full of humans its not like they dropped a tiny amount and people start dropping to the floor. The prisoners would have to breathe it for awhile and there would have to be considerably high amount of exposure to the zyklon. With the high exposure the room needs to have blue stains just like the disinfectant chambers

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Fuck if I know, I was not there.
But there is no ash from 60000000000000000000 gabilion-zilion jews either.

Germany was stabbed in the back. By Woodrow Wilson. Germany's defeat was the result of 2 million American troops being thrown into the fray. Up to that point Germany was actually winning.

Germany asked for an armistice followed by negotiations along the lines of Wilson's 14 Points. Wilson said you must evacuate occupied territories. The Germans agreed. Wilson said you must get rid of the Kaiser. The Germans agreed. Wilson said you must totally disarm. The Germans agreed. The only reason the British and French agreed was because Pershing said that the American troops would stop fighting if they didn't.

By the time of the drawing up of the Versailles Treaty, with a disarmed Germany and American troops sent home, all the high minded talk of Wilson's 14 Points, was quickly ignored.

Take a second, breathe lad, and try addressing the arguments

>changed American war sentiments, eventually getting Americans hyped to kill some Huns.

You don't think it had anything to do with Germany offering Mexico California and Texas if they invaded America? You don't think it had to do with the continued unrestricted submarine warfare that the Germans were repeatedly warned about?

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zimmermann_Telegram