Why can't we have a party that is tolerant on social issues, believes in climate change....But is also really strict on immigration? Why does it have to be one or the other? If the Democrats were strict on immigration they would demolish every single election.
Why does "supporting abortion and gay people" have to mean "supporting mass immigration from the third world"? Do they HAVE to go together? I don't think so
>tolerant on social issues
What does this even mean?
If you want to have a conversation, don't start with vague statements like this. Let us know what you actually want to discuss.
We need to abolish party identity. It only boxes us into these sets of positions
I mean
Trump doesn't outright hate the gays or abortion, and we all know his stance against immigration
>Why does "supporting abortion and gay people" have to mean "supporting mass immigration from the third world"? Do they HAVE to go together? I don't think so
Yes they do. antisocial policies lower birth rates, so the demand for foreign labour increases. Advocating to both kill your population and replace it is a viable strategy.
they're both rooted in the humanist notion that if you have 23 chromosome pairs then you have intrinsic value. its the same religion
This. OP is brainwashed.
Because the democrats require illegal voters to win. If they had an actual platform that helped Americans, then Americans would vote for them. They chose illegal aliens over natural-born citizens.
Better question: Why can't we have a party with these traits?
>Pic related.
>no wars, no army
Democrats were strict on immigration until they realized they have completely lost the white voters and need third world immigrants to win election.
>Do they HAVE to go together? I don't think so
In theory they could be separated, but in practise the problem is that most political thoughts derive from one's beliefs about the purpose of life. Abortion and homosexuality make sense if your goal is to maximize pleasure (and minimize pain). But it makes sense to be against those things if your goal is to maximize structure and function, and be for virtue. Immigration at first seems unrelated, but on second view one sees that those against immigration are frequently thinking in terms of what the longterm consequences are and how they degrade the current functioning, whereas those in favor of open immigration (like in the E.U.) don't care about that and thus enabling people to do what they want becomes more important.
The real question is: why do you like things that degrade society and individual virtue?
>Yes they do. antisocial policies lower birth rates, so the demand for foreign labour increases. Advocating to both kill your population and replace it is a viable strategy.
Yes, this is an important correlating factor.
This shitheap ideology can only work on selected few populations in the world, and even then it will be hollowed out as yours was.
Because it traditionally was separated like that, and now anyone who doesn't fit in either of the two brackets is basically cast out. I really hate this stereotyping sentiment as well, that all right wingers basically have to love guns, be against drugs and deny climate change
So you want neo-cons to abuse the army by getting into more and more wars?
Demorats are the party of the elite. They do whatever is best for their corporate masters which mostly means bringing in more debt slaves, raising taxes, (((social issues))) and hating white people.
Weak strawman. You can't prevent wars without having an army.
support fag marriage and right to be gay
support abortion
support weed legalization
I'd vote for you OP. Dems do most things correct. I don't mind paying taxes, it's obvious that what they do economically works. I just wish they'd be a little less open, particularly to illigal immigration. And although I support gays to do whatever they want the million genders shit is a getting pretty weird.
>Because the democrats require illegal voters to win.
But this is what I don't understand. Imagine if Democrats had all their current positions, except they also supported being tough on immigration. You really don't think they would gain huge favor among whites? I honestly think most white people in the USA support stuff like abortion and legalizing weed and going for cleaner energy.
>tolerant on social issues
>believes in climate change
There’s your problem, you want retards to not be retarded. It just doesn’t work like that.
Pro tip- they NEVER cared about YOU, just your VOTE
>Abortion and homosexuality make sense if your goal is to maximize pleasure (and minimize pain)
They could also make sense if your goal is to allow more individual freedom and not want to get into people's lives.
>The real question is: why do you like things that degrade society and individual virtue?
It is your opinion that homosexuality and abortion degrade society but it is not mine. The way I see it, allowing those things is just easier for everyone and doesn't harm the moral fabric of society.
>and doesn't harm the moral fabric of society.
citation needed
>They could also make sense if your goal is to allow more individual freedom and not want to get into people's lives.
But if that were actually a person's beliefs, then they would be against most regulation, the insane number of bylaws, environmental protection (which seems to be counter to one of your things), allow people to do business with whom they feel like, allow a person to work for less than minimum wage if they like, etc. I.e. true libertarians, which are somewhat rare and tend to enter the Republican party far more than the Democrat.
>It is your opinion that homosexuality and abortion degrade society but it is not mine.
Virtually all non-epicurean (i.e non-hedonistic) philosophers of history disagree with you. Homosexuality and abortion are about selecting for your own desires over those that benefit a nobler goal. Heterosexuality creates a family, helpers, etc, whereas homosexuality creates pleasure for those with that particular fetish. Abortion (literally) destroys families and is part of a utilitarian view of human life, in which humans are elements to be manipulated for your desires.
>I want my gay bathhouse free from icky niggers and mexicans!
Unless the country is neutral like Sweden and Switzerland. Not to mention, we still have militias that would defend the nation and we have the second amendment that gives us the ability to by attack drones and tanks.
Liberals are fucking retarded faggots.
Hence, your utterly devoid of intelligence OP.
>Unless the country is neutral like Sweden and Switzerland.
Sweden and Switzerland have armies though, defeating your point. If they did not have armies, you can be assured they would have been invaded a *lot*. (E.g. in WW2, Germany bypassed Sweden to invade Norway - not because they didn't want Sweden, but because Norway was relatively weak.)
Shut up Donkey, Bloomberg purchased the lone super delegate spot just like Hillary purchased the only super delegate spot last time.
You and your 15,000 bernie bros outside the convention will need to stop being ridiculous as Sarsh Silverman would say.
>Thinks America neutrality wouldn't help since no army
>Completely ignores America's militias, the second amendment, and nukes.
Also in my opinion, the police is a form of militia and it is already militarize.
when jefferson was president the us only had 5 million people and was 95% white
>your
Because Democrats are the party of permissiveness. They’ve been conditioned to believe that it’s wrong to judge any action or any group of people (except straight white males, of course).
The political right, in contrast, functions as the country’s immune system. They’re the side that tries to protect the country from outside invaders and maintain some semblance of morality so society doesn’t descend into total chaos.
Your point?
How is being gay a right? Nobody’s stopping anyone from being gay. I just shouldn’t have to consider it normal or to be forced to celebrate it when it’s clearly a perversion
>Believes in climate change.
But I thought the science is settled, why would they need to believe?
You make the " let's give away our money to china" movement sound like a religion, OP.
Just get rid of the party system. That’s how kikes box you in.
>>Completely ignores America's militias, the second amendment, and nukes.
>Also in my opinion, the police is a form of militia and it is already militarize.
Fair enough; those would help.
Democrats only push for things that give them the minority votes.
But Immigration would defeat the point of lower birth rates. Less people = more resources.
You are hardly the first to have this complaint. You are basically seeing the wasted vote theory and flaws of the two party fptp system in action. The only thing that saves this system any merit at all is the fact that a million tiny parties would likely have just as little or no chance at all of enacting policy.
>Do they HAVE to go together?
Yes. Abortion is the destruction of unborn children. Gays destroy societies by spreading disease and abusing children. Immigration destroys the racial makeup and cultures of a nation. The Democratic party isn't a political party. They're death.
It’s for votes. It’s to change demographics, flip swing states, gain power and control. Third world low IQ easily manipulated, let their emotions control decision making, follow the carrot obey the narrative. Then they can eliminate whites, wealthy conservatives, old money, and make the masses govt dependent; while running proxy wars creating instability in other countries free flow of arms trade. Trump doesn’t really represent right or left. He is destabilizing establishment folk and actually putting Americans first.
sensationalism from both sides is the easiest way to get attention from voters. american party system is not about us, its about me vs you
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that's pretty simple. you faggots keep voting for them. why would they change? they don't have to. the beautiful thing about their control over you is that you can't even voice this concern without being labeled a bigot and a Nazi. through shaming they keep you under control. so you'll be a good boy and keep telling yourself that you're voting for the lesser of two evils. liberal shaming and identity politics will always keep you silent
Because it is in the best interests of career politicians to keep you divided.
So nationalist AND socialist?
I like it. Would vote for them.
it wouldn't work today you fucking nigger. are you serious?
Because that would be gay, you dumb ape.
Homosexuals ruin society and only low IQ retards like yourself can’t see that.