MOAR TAXES

Gestalt? I better not have to pay sales tax on people that don't operate in my fucking state.

This

That is exactly what it is.

The Lesson your state want all purchases made by you online to be taxed.

The decision allows this. The problem is that logistically, small online businesses cannot juggle the red tape to process tax payments for all 50 States.

So big business wins since they can handle the read tape and mom and pop get bent over and fucked.

This was a shit decision. If you read the dissentions and amicus briefs even the legal minds say this should have been left to Congress.

>anti-trust lawsuit
kek ok brainlet

No, it applies to any online sale by anyone to anyone. What kind of online retailers tend to lack physical presence? Hmmmm...maybe small ones? Small-level entrepreneurs who sell on eBay, Etsy, Shopify, woocommerce etc. are the ones getting boned by this. Amazon has nexus in every state, this is literally their wet dream.

Currently you pay sales tax only if you have nexus in the state that the buyer resides in. So if you live in Texas and the buyer lives in Florida, and all of your offices and warehouses are in Texas, then you don't pay sales tax. Technically it's up to the Floridian to pay it if it's going to be paid.

This ruling basically says that the Texan must pay the Florida state sales tax regardless of nexus (in the above example).

It's going to get even more fun when county and municipal class actions go the supreme court, because now there's precedent. So as an online seller you will have to track every sales tax for every state, county, and city in the entire US.

All this does is force everyone onto Amazon, since the only advantage of being off of them just evaporated.

Gee I wonder (((who))) is behind this
Just what I fucking need, to pay more fucking money for the same shit. Fuck off kikes, seriously

>All this does is force everyone onto Amazon, since the only advantage of being off of them just evaporated.
>But this isn't a monopoly

How much meth did you have to smoke to become this retarded?

You didn't read the suit then, which is a specific 2016 case brought by the state of South Dakota. But keep posting based on blurbs and headlines.

It helps red states without income tax.

Republicans back at it helping the working man....

Womp Womp

lol no

amazon is still 50% less than a mom and pop store because amazon has razor thin margins on the stuff they're selling and they make all their money through AWS and prime subscriptions.

mom and pop stores are still fucked.

This doesn't magically make Amazon a monopoly. There are some arguments to the affect that they have had some monopolistic behavior, but this isn't one of them.

Read this and come back and speak with the adults: yalelawjournal.org/article/amazons-antitrust-paradox

Oh really? Please point out the language that excludes mom and pop retail stores. I'll wait.

As long as Walmart and Microsoft exist Amazon doesn't have any monopoly.

It states a specific sales revenue floor and also names specific entities... Overstock and Newegg being two of the handfull. No Mom and Pops to found.

fpbp, feels good to live in a state with no sales tax.

It doesn't list revenue or entity names to establish a cut-off, brainlet. It lists them to establish the facts of this specific case. The principal establish is universal. If you believe that the court established a revenue floor for tax collection I'd love to see you attempt to cite it.

Are you retarded? This ruling means you'll now be paying sales tax regardless if you shop online.

>Thinks $100,000 per year is a lot of money for a business

That's stupid.

>Forces all types of a single form of commerce to go through a single company.
>lol, not a monopoly though!

Was it lead paint?

>lel, Walmart!

Is Walmart the only combined general merchandise and grocer chain in the USA? -- No

Does it have even 50% marketshare? -- No

Will you die a retarded but autistic Virgin -- Confirmed Yes

And incorrect.

It literaly does and it literally only applies to South Dakota. Now other states may look at this and use the fact that this overturns the 1992 ruling, but that hasn't happened yet.

Did user lead me astray? Trump seems to be happy about it. Makes sense to me too. Why should online retailers be exempt from a sales tax that brick and mortar business pay?

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>why shouldn't I pay sales tax in Florida if I buy something from Texas?

will continue to say I live in oregon so they dont charge sales tax

Agreed. This precedent means:
1: Amazon was already paying taxes in all 50 states on Amazon-fulfilled sales (generally known as Amazon Prime). This will force more and more small business onto Prime because the ONLY competitive edge a small business had (no nexus in most states, so no sales taxes) was just killed.
2: This means micro-entities like sellers selling craft good on Etsy, small retailers on eBay, individuals with tiny Shopify stores, etc. just got royally fucked, and now have every reason to just throw in the towel and get on Amazon. Their only slight edge for margins is gone. Why is this bad? Because Amazon doesn't allow sellers to collect data on who they sold to (e-mail address, for example) so if you build your business on Amazon you never build marketing assets like a sales list, e-mail list, etc.
3: This means that Amazon, who is already known for kicking sellers off its platform for life and giving little or no warning and little or no reason to the seller, will now have even more control over the small business ecosystem. Amazon sellers are already terrified of making a mistake and getting banned for life.
4: If you do get kicked off Amazon now, you'll have no list to email and say "hey, I'm not on Amazon but you can shop with me at www.xyz.com." Your brand just evaporates.
5: We can also expect every county and municipal tax to become like the state sales taxes. This means an online seller will have to track literally tens of thousands of tax zones, which are constantly changing, and find a way to remit the taxes to the county or municipality.

Brainlets defending this are truly scum.

This might kill Ebay. No one on there includes sales tax.

I didn't read through the bill or anything, but i would make sense for california to collect sales tax from california residents even if they purchase online?

>1992 ruling establishes tax precedent
>every state adopts it
>2018 ruling overturns 1992 ruling

>durrr gee I wonder if states will adopt it?
>it hasn't happened as of the same day the ruling was announced, durrrr
>so I guess it's not 'gonna happen!

Nah Walmart did that

why would etsy or ebay be affected? if you have a garage sale, do you charge sales tax?

>if you have a garage sale, do you charge sales tax?
Are you transacting on Etsy or Ebay in cash?

Same taxes, fewer ways to illegally evade them. This is a good thing.

Amazon built its empire on sales tax evasion. This should have been enacted into law 15 years ago.

Amazon built its empire that way, yes, but it's been paying sales taxes for many years now. Now that they are too big to avoid it - oh look! - the law changes to fuck over every other eCom biz in the growth phase. Weird how that happens.

They've been charging state sales taxes for at least five years, probably longer.

the medium of transaction has nothing to do with having to pay/charge sales tax. businesses have to charge sales tax because they are licensed by teh state to be operating a business. personal sales of individuals don't have to

pls b b8.
>unlimited selection
>shipping is as much as fuel to get to store
>time preference of browsing at home vs a store
>not having to see, hear and smell shitskins at store
If one wants an online sales tax, it should be federal standardized sales tax. which the states will never agree to.

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>Microsoft

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this is absolutely a fuck you to Bezos for being a cunt and spending all his spare time trying to impeach Trump

Yep - it sucks. In a perfect world, states could seek restitution for lost revenue straight from Bezos's numbered accounts in the Caymans.

>the medium of transaction has nothing to do with having to pay/charge sales tax
No shit moron, my point was that people don't pay because it's a cash sale under the table. Actually you do have to pay taxes on garage sale items depending on what is sold. Did you sell a car at your garage sale? What about an appliance, like a refrigerator?

Only a fucking brainlet would think you don't have to pay sales taxes on Etsy "because it's like a garage sale." Case in point, if you have nexus in the state of sale on Etsy you have to pay sales tax already, so you are already BTFO. But aside from that, you have to incorporate to sell there, either formally or informally (depending on the state) as an LLC, sole proprietor, etc. This is already the law in every fucking state. Why I'm wasting time responding to such a ignorant faggot is the real question.

I thought the Supremes were all dead?

womp womp

>This just made Amazon much stronger.
You really are a stupid piece of shit.

No more online shopping loophole. Closer to facing the real issue of stagnate wages. We can only run from the issue with temporary workarounds for so long.
Now brick and mortar buisness will have a better shot at least.

>t. ignorant brainlet
This thread confirms it: 98% of Jow Forums knows nothing about the way the world works.

Good. Fuck Amazon.

This will really help brick & mortar and maintain the fabric of our society

Fuck small retailers, most of them are nothing but scammers, also fuck etsy and other faggy businesses.
>store for creative people
You're not "creative" - you're just a faggot!

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Lulz. There’s a spot on my state’s income tax form that asks you hou much money you spent online so they can tax you. Fucking IRS niggers man.

Small retailers will just move to Amazon. They won't cease to exist. This just allows Bezos to pick and choose who lives and who dies, since he has the ability to kick anyone from his platform for any reason at any time (and he does it frequently). When you die on Amazon you leave with no business assets (brand is a weak asset on Amazon, your reviews don't follow you to a new site, you don't build an e-mail list selling on Amazon etc).

>his just made Amazon much stronger.

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>unlimited selection
no. Amazon is good for books. Thats about it. I have a 500 gift card sitting on my account because I cant find anything I really want on that shit site

Go ahead and attempt to explain why this is anything but good for Amazon.

They shouldnt. My local music store became a try out spot, then people would buy online to avoid tax. So either the business price matched and lost profits, or customers would buy online. A family owned guitar shop gets killed by an online retailer.

I doubt Amazon, WalMart will even be affected by this. But this tremendously helps small retailers who have to beat prices of online retailers who they compete with.

I don’t like taxes at all. But it IS fair honestly. I don’t have to like it but if you’re gonna buy something at a store and have to pay taxes and buy the same shit in the same town online and you don’t, that’s not fair to the store owner who basically gets fucked.

>I doubt the largest retailers in the country will be affected by the largest retail tax overhaul in 25 years.
I actually laughed.

>But this tremendously helps small retailers
Here's a game: Online is to Brick & Mortar as _____ is to Retail.
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Answer: Wholesale.

Retail is not the opposite of online. There are tens of thousands of mom and pop retails who retail online, often exclusively. Regardless of what you might have been told, in the modern world most entrepreneurs are not take quarter million $ loans to see if maybe they can hopefully open up a brick and mortar meme store and pray that a whole foods, Target, or whatever doesn't happen to open near them and crush them. They are starting online stores, adding value by building, making, and servicing things.

So no, this royally fucks small retailers who sell online, and does nothing good for offline retails (brick and mortar) because they are even more fucked by Amazon now than they already were.

I dont browse much out of books and a few supps.
But my father buys tons of random stuff.

Delaware, Montana, Oregon, and new Hampshire's value for Amazon shipping just went way up.

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I'm fitting in this category. I build things and sell them online. But my margins are slim and most brick and mortar shops don't consign for less than 30%. Therefore, we sell direct through our website. Tax has always been a weird thing for us. I hope this doesn't fuck us royally but it probably will. Can't let us little guys have a decent shot at making a living... oh nooo!

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Wait it didn't in the usa? Here it was always so

its literally nothing. impulse buys are more of objects you see in person anyways.
Telling a buyer they got to fill out a bunch of online forms vs going to retail would be a hassle most wouldnt like. A company would come up quick to middleman that shit tho.
US states all have different tax rates on basically everything.

Yeah I feel for you man. The best thing for you to do now is to register for Amazon Handmade and see if you get in. I've heard it's rather difficult but if you can pull it off it will be the place to be now that Amazon got this tax gift.

As a powerseller on eBay does this affect me? Will I have to include taxes to my listings?

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taxation without representation can go straight back to hell