>be me
>get in a motorcycle accident
>wake up on the side of the road some asian guy asking if I'm ok
>say yep
>ask me if I want him to call an ambulance
>say nope
>get up and realise that I'm in a immense amount of pain
>call my buddy to pick me up and my bike
>after loading bike he says I need to go to the hospital
>say nope I'll sleep it off
>>we argue and he convinces me to go to the hospital
>in the ER doctor says I have 6 broken ribs, broken shoulder blade, broken collar bone, and collapsed lung
>fuckme.jpg
>a week later was released
>start getting bills
>$200k
>revieved pic after 2 months
Apparently the hospital wrote me off as a charity for tax relief. They have a fund that they use for charity
Capitalism doesn't wor
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Easton Mitchell
you are a lucky motherfucker to boot. my dad nearly died on the road in a motorcycle wreck, not even highway speeds. physically lost half the muscle in one of his lower legs, ripped a nerve and doesnt have the use of one arm and shattered every one of his teeth.
be safe and live a good long wholesome life to pay back that charity unto others. user, do right.
Angel Russell
In unregulated capitalism (real capitalism) there'd be no incentive for the hospital to write off your bill.
Cameron Jenkins
Your father was a faggot.
Nolan Walker
That's the benefit of democrat-style capitalism. Enjoy it for as long as we have it
Jeremiah Brooks
In “real capitalism” it wouldn’t cost 5 years of annual household income go take care of some non life threatening injuries
Parker Sanders
So? You have no right to healthcare.
Matthew Young
First of all your lucky second if you could wait for your buddy to drive you down, you don't need the emergency room. Its a lot cheaper when you don't go.
Our healthcare system is pseudo socialized.
That 200k price is a result of:
1. The insurance industry. A middle man always adds to the prices. The bureaucracy of the insurance industry as well.
2. Taco paco. Every time a little mexican jumping bean gets hurt on the job and he goes to the emergency room, he can't pay and thats passed along to other people, such as you (or at least people who don't get a charity pass). No such thing as a free lunch, the hospital can't take that on the chin.
3. Lawsuits, litigation and mountains of legal requirements
Direct care and direct bill hospitals are a lot cheaper. It could cost me up to 1000-2000 dollars an xray in the emergency room and thats without the other myriad of fees. At my local direct billing small doctor its 70 bucks.
I broke my leg two years ago, I had to wait overnight because the doctor wasn't open and it sucked but I ended up only spending 150 bucks.
Christopher Richardson
>shattered teeth
Confirmed squid
Julian Gonzalez
What the fuck is this shit? Never heard of this before. You’re usually stuck with that price or get some minor deductions.
Kevin Morales
It would come out of the marketing budget instead of the tax write-off budget. OP would be stuck in front of a camera for a few hours so they can run some ads on the local cable system.
Brody Scott
Typical kike larping as a nigger to fuel race cobflict.
Austin Myers
Rights are arbitrary and based on the government. "Natural Rights" has no basis in objective reality other than poetic "my feelings" rationalization.
Presently there is no "right" to compensated for healthcare. This isn't a moral argument though, just an observation.
Nicholas Young
Yes, I know rights are a spook.
Daniel Barnes
Ever notice there's not a fucking price list at the hospitals?
How about we start there.
Lucas Hall
>Apparently the hospital wrote me off as a charity for tax relief.
The funniest part is where americans will claim this isn't socialized medicine.
>Our healthcare system is pseudo socialized.
You are the first american to realize how your system actually works. It does the same thing, just incredibly inefficiently and with more levels of kikes and bureaucrats all taking a cut.
US healcare is great for the few upper % who can pay for the best. The rest of
Isaiah Wilson
Asher Stewart
>The rest of
you receive about the same or worse quality of care. You're not at the top of comparative rankings of western medicine. You're one of the lowest when it comes to healthcare per dollar spent, because of said inefficiencies.
Oliver Thomas
we need to have an insurance industry in order to properly amortize risk so people can have stable costs for health care
Jonathan Ortiz
But that's a complete lie. The USA ranks on top for every metric about curing people, finding new cures, and just keeping people alive in general. Any ranking that shows the USA in anything other than the top doesn't consider anything medically relevant in favour of metrics as inclusion, diversity in the staff, and patient evaluation of the staffs niceness. Come on, read the metrics of the studies.
Gabriel Nelson
What about capitalism inherently prevents charity? Examples of economies with capitalist elements you know might, but as far as I know, capitalism is characterized by 1) free trade 2) non"governmental" organization.
It doesn't even prescribe a lack of labor organization.
Easton King
>That's the benefit of democrat-style capitalism. Enjoy it for as long as we have it
id rather op died than my tax's pay for his stupidity or lack of insurance.
Sebastian Johnson
>But that's a complete lie. The USA ranks on top for every metric
I specified that the US is in the toilet for healthcare in the west and healthcare efficiency (per dollar spent), and you bring up:
> curing people, finding new cures
Which doesn't dispute what I'm saying.
>and just keeping people alive in general
This is false. US life expectancy is shit.
>Any ranking that shows the USA in anything other than the top doesn't consider anything medically relevant in favour of metrics as inclusion, diversity in the staff
This is complete horseshit too. It's fantastic that the kikes can seed their talking points so well so that you're all justifying a system that doesn't benefit you.
Lincoln Watson
This is about my claim of US inefficiency. Spending is out of control because of the inefficient insurance pools and insane litigation costs creating multiple levels of kikes resulting in your 2000 dollar bandaids.
Again, the US has socialized medicine because Paco gets free ER treatment and you fund his bill.
Landon Rogers
>just keeping people alive in general
This in particular is a well attested black mark for the US because of the way healthcare works there's almost no preventative medicine. Everyone waits until it's really fucking bad, resulting in high mortality, low effectivity and high costs.
Blake Rogers
Read my post again and point out where I said capitalism precludes charity. I said there'd be no incentive.
Connor Bell
Are you one of those sub-80 iq immigrants, or are you seriously unable to understand the difference between life-expectancy and survivability?
In every single disease or injury, the single best indicator of your ability to survive is to be in the USA. From cancers, to pneumonia, to getting shot, that all remains the same. Be in the USA: live. Be anywhere else: increase your chance of dying significantly.
That's the toilet you refer to, the same toilet that gets more medical tourists than the ones that go out the country for the same.
And drop the false kikery talk, socialized medicine is the single greatest kikery every done on mankind, as proven by the exponential number of people they are killing rather than treating now, with news of less and less money being able to be used. How is your higher retirement age to pay for your Healthcare treating you?
And yet neither of those are the main issue. If the shit show that was ACA didn't show you that the problem is government intervention, nothing else will. Why can I go to a cash only hospital and get cheaper service than anywhere in Europe while still having better medical metrics than anywhere there as well? Simple, cash only clinics dnt have to deal with the true kikery: government involvement.
Sebastian Adams
What does the fact that charitable donations increase as a response to higher disposable income rather than tax deductions tell you about your observation?
Gavin Morgan
NEED SAUCE
Christopher Edwards
Personal charity isn't corporate charity. Corporations don't have "disposable income".
Michael King
>In every single disease or injury, the single best indicator of your ability to survive is to be in the USA.
Show some statistics and sources.
>And drop the false kikery talk, socialized medicine is the single greatest kikery every done on mankind
As discussed the US has socialized medicine. Paco doesn't even need to be a citizen to get healthcare and your insurance foots the bill. That is the exact same system as "socialized countries" use, only at a smaller scale with more inefficiency because the insurance pool isn't the entire country.
You're literally regurgitating the apologism for those who exploit you and you're saying it's better to be fleeced by an insurance kike somehow.
>as proven by the exponential number of people they are killing rather than treating now
As statistics show socialized medicine doesn't kill people, it keeps them alive far better than the US model does. The irony is that the US isn't even the best case study for the model you claim to like but you wouldn't know that because you're uneducated enough to think the US ranks no 1.
>How is your higher retirement age to pay for your Healthcare treating you?
Literally the exact same problem exists in the US model only you get higher insurance costs instead. Except you're not even going to have a higher survivability because your healthcare is shit.
>And yet neither of those are the main issue.
That's where you retreat from your original argument.
>Why can I go to a cash only hospital and get cheaper service than anywhere in Europe
This is retardedly untrue.
Landon Turner
>And drop the false kikery talk
Just as an aside the US has the highest number of jews in government outside of Israel and you've been the "greatest ally" for jews since WWII ended. Somehow you think your country is less influenced by jews, than European countries, many of which barely have jews in them anymore.
By population they're 1.7-2.6% of your population, for reference.
Colton Walker
Adrenaline is a hell of a drug
Brandon Nguyen
>And drop the false kikery talk, socialized medicine is the single greatest kikery
Another reference. This is the Cato Institute, a literal libertarian free market think tank, admitting that the problem of the insurance pool is getting the healthy people to buy in. THIS IS WHAT NATIONAL HEALTHCARE IS you fucking moron. This is why it works and is more efficient.
Their solution? Statewide insurance pools. Which is the exact same fucking thing only they pretend it's different because it's not a national level. The funny part is that it would work, for the same reason the national insurance pool works.
Henry Wilson
>socialized medicine
And here again they stress the point that you already are socialized in the US. Refer to the charts I posted earlier and you'll see the evidence for low quality of care and high cost with poor outcomes in life expectancy.
You have the worst possible implementation, you're in a dip that exists between national level healthcare systems and the complete free markets of the even more predatory nations where you pay for healthcare directly.
Levi Gray
Thing is, healing your trauma only costs 200k becauseof health insurance lobbying for discounts. Which arteficially inflate the prices.