WHY DO ATHEISTS HAVE KIDS?

>Why don't atheists live according to their beliefs?
childless atheist here.

user, im atheist, but I dont live in a cultural vacuum. I am inspired by parts of the bible and by some of the teachings of Jesus; but I dont believe in the super natural stuff.

I reject the supernatural because I think the natural is far more wonderful and powerful than our fictions. I do believe if nature has provided a way for it to happen then it can happen.
For example did you know there is a jelly fish that lives forever?
>en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turritopsis_dohrnii
This means one day we might all live on longer.

You're an idiot. Do us all a favor and don't reproduce.

I didn't become an atheist until I was 50 yrs old, long after my son was born. Even if I'd been atheist before he was born, I'm pretty sure we'd still have had him.

I think you hit the nail of the head.

>This means one day we might all live on longer.

Atheists think they will live forever, they think dying is something which just happens to "other people" so they live and act like things have value under their belief structures.

No matter how good science gets, no matter how healthy you live, no matter what you do. You. Will. Die. So why don't you act like you will die? You will probably continue to act like you will live forever.

that question is stupid

>It doesnt matter to me whether I live for 1 year more or 100 years, Im going to make it my best.
Some user is thinking why am I posting here then if I tried to use my time wisely?
Well, Im home alone and trying to stay awake because Im off duty tonight, after finishing my night shifts.
>Atheists think they will live forever, they think dying is something which just happens to "other people"
No I'm shit scared of dying and Ive been in situations close to it.
Ive seen family members and friends die before their time (old age).
As an atheist there is nothing worse or scarier than death.
If I think about it I go until an existential meltdown and have to do something quick.
I dont want to die user.

>You. Will. Die. So why don't you act like you will die? You will probably continue to act like you will live forever.
I know, I know.
I dont act like I will live forever.
Oh, you're trying to paint me into a nihilist corner and say why do I bother doing anything if Im going to die right?
Well why do the birds and the bees do what they do.
I've never seen my cat get existential -perhaps because he doesnt have the intelligence.
We do have the intelligence to see our own deaths, but that doesnt mean we should live nihilistic, hedonistic lives.
A belief in a God is not the only framework, for altruism.

Is this why Jesus's mom was a virgin ?

>if you don't believe in religion then you have no morals

I could ask you,

>If you believe in God, why do you still masturbate and other things various religious books have proscribed?

>Why dont you just sacrifice yourself by doing a good cause like landmine removal?

If you die you go to heaven; if you dont you've done a good deed. Either way you've won.

No, she was an incel.

wow you're actually retarded. There's no point in explaining shit to this dude, he's bellow room temperature iq

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>>if you don't believe in religion then you have no morals
So, atheist should be knocking anything and everything up.

>atheism is x, y and z
standard delusional theist
atheism is lack of belief in god
you're welcome

>Atheists think they will live forever
you cant make this shit up

Biological imperative and the wish to imortalise yourself by contributing to that chainreactiont hat is human society.

And what flows naturally from the fact you have no belief in god? It means you believe there is no divine judgment of actions, there is no permanence, you don't believe in the eternal nature of the soul and our actions. There are so many things which logically flow from not believing in a Creator.

what flows naturally from the fact that i dont believe in god is that i am a good person who understands the twisted and corrupt nature of religion and the god concept

>hurr user why do you make children and force a soul to eventually go to hell or displease god, just collectivly die out and we all go to heaven if we lived good leaving this earth behind, why not?

Atheists dont have kids. Their girlfriends have kids.

Why we need are 'considered atheists' not 'political atheists'.

A 'considered atheist' is usually someone who has take a 'considered position on their beliefs Usually after life experiences and study he or she will recognize that religions are man made and if there is an anthropomorphic benevolent god with the power to intervene on behalf of the most innocent and needy, he is guilty of serious neglect (15million kids under 5 die a year from starvation ).

Meanwhile a political atheist is a left fedora Plebbit fag who is atheist because it's trendy and allows you to live like a degenerate.
We should say:
>KNOW THE DIFFERENCE IT COULD SAVE YOUR LIFE!
(ESPECIALLY IF YOU'RE IN A FOX HOLE WITH ME -I'VE GOT YOUR BACK)

Why do Christians have children?
They're bringing a life into the world just suffer and sin for a brief moment then probably be tortured forever.
Why don't Cheistians live according to their beliefs?

why do non-Atheists obsess over what Atheists do?!
enjoy your conveniently geographically popular 'god'

Atheist here
I have many higher values that are objectively better than yours

Did the ancient Greek philosophers go around fucking everyone in sight? Old Polytheism had no moral basis either, they just had Gods or everything. Still they found that murder was bad and sleeping with everyone led to a short life. All the rules of the Christian bible are written into the world anyway. It's almost as if it's a product of ancient science and designed to make sure a large amount of people choose to live well.

Oh see here: you have ducked the questions, I believe they're relative to yours and I did answer.

as an Atheist one could have the Goal to defeat death eventually with science so humans can become immortal.
To achieve that you Need to produce Children so at least Maybe another Generation will achieve it

>guilty of serious neglect
Why should god be guilty by human standarts?
An amoral creator who made life for its own sake so that it may improve itself through struggle is a possibility that seems not entirely unreasonable.

Atheists permanently BTFO. Topkek.

>Why should god be guilty by human standarts?
This is a good question.
Im inclined to agree.
However, all the Abrahmic faiths (jews, islam, christians) endow god with benevolence, charity and love etc.
Jesus teaches 'whosover asketh shall receive'.

also need I mention; if god doesnt intervene when a child is raped; like any decent human being would to stop it if they were capable, then he or it isnt worthy on my adulation or respect.

>They don't believe in any higher value
Objectively false. I believe in the betterment of humanity and a better future for mankind. That I don't believe I'll be rewarded with tea and cookies with Jesus forever doesn't mean I'm comfortable with Earth being inherited by the descendants of people who reproduce through irresponsible sex without having a plan for their children.
>If you're an atheist, the only value in life is obtaining maximum pleasure before you die
Objectively false, it's possible to want to do good and help others and leave the world a better place than you found it without building your whole decision making process on an embarrassingly childish afterlife reward fantasy. It's like if I said, 'if you're religious the only value in life is to die and go to heaven.'
>why aren't you all heroin addicts extracting maximum pleasure value before your time is up?
It's almost like it's unrealistic to summarize a human being's complete decision making process in a single small-minded meme? You might have figured that out already if you weren't mired in religious 'faith' that made you proud of believing in anything you want regardless of conflicting evidence.
>Why don't atheists live according to their beliefs?
Why do you assume you understand someone deeply as a person based on a superficial understanding of a single minor aspect of their personality? I don't stop and remind myself I'm an atheist repeatedly through the day, most days it never comes to mind, having your religious orientation being a major part of your personality seems kind of sad, like you've got a desperation for meaning and purpose that I don't.
I'm gonna have as many kids as I can an their offspring will be scientists who terraform mars. Enjoy prayer, ya pitiful mong.

>murder was bad
Eh if it was good or bad dependet on the circumstances and the victim being a part of your ingroup. It was a time of tribal morality safe for a few exceptions,like that of vegetarian pythagoras who did not even want to see blood sacrifiece.

As an atheist I value there being some form of continuation, whether that is living behind a great work of art, or kids or whatever. I don't think life is inherently bad since I'm enjoying it enough to not wanna suicide.

Where have all these intelligent atheists come from? Normally I'm in a thread surrounded by Christ Cucks; kikes and followers of Pisslam.

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So let me get this straight. If say tomorrow you found out 100% that there was no God you would become a heroin addict? Do your morals only come from religion?

Also you have hedonism wrong, yes it's about pleasure but it's dependent on the person and their own goals.

hahahahahahahaha
he NEEDS it, the christcuck NEEDS the afterlife. He is PETRIFIED by the notion of death and bows before THIS in attempt to escape it. THAT'S the motivation of a christcuck gentlemen, FEAR. Just fucking end yourself and scurry to the skirts of your filthy god already vermin, you're dragging us down.

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I'm an atheist, but you probably are confused as to what atheist actually means. Topic for another discussion though.

I have kids because I want to spread my seed. It's how we evolved over the millennia. Just as being gay is truly an abomination -- life wouldn't exist as we know it if the urge to spread our seed and reproduce with partners CAPABLE of reproducing wasn't the norm.

There are other reasons but I don't care enough to share them here.

Raping childs is just one of the many possiblities of life and a consequence of gifting you the choice of nutting into things and enjoy an orgasm. Asking why he doesnt intervene when someone gets born with blood-cancer or glassbones might be another question that is more on point as no human is involved.
In that case its a consequence of genes being somewhat unstable so that we may play with them in this modern age with the technology that the rules of this world allow us to create or so that we might also adopt to heat with blackened skin and with mutation to lactose.

>he isnt worthy on my adulation or respect
But he might have made everything, if that doesnt inspire respect, even if its begrudging respect I dont know what else could inspire you.

sacred-texts.com/neu/dun/tago/tago12.htm

You see the flag don't you ya shit cunt

Well we even have that today. We're just organized into larger groups. We still have war, there's still an out group.

It is generally considered unacceptable to be a ravenous hedonistic beast, partly because of an internal compass that guides us, partly because of what's left of the values we've once had in the west.

In a sense, atheists are seeking the most pleasure they can, while factoring in the consequences of extreme degenerate behavior. They may strike their ego and tell themselves, "I am better than those around me because of x" where x is some perceived virtue in their eyes. However, they are making things previously regarded as degenerate acceptable, so that they may enjoy both the pleasures of their ego and of the flesh.

Because we are a sentient consciousness that will inevitably die and return to the void. However, as long we have children we have the hope that some semblance of our existence can carry on through them and the rest of our descendants. Additionally, children are useful assets if made correctly.
I think you have a limited view of nihilism and its relation to hedonism. For example being a drug addict while pleasureable is also very boring, its the same thing every time and causes ill health effects on our precious limited lives. I would personally rather achieve things and get greater joy through accomplishment, but thats just me, every nihilist handles their philosophy differently.

No, allow me to play devil's 'advocunt'.
I know this mindset since I was once very religious from my upbringing.
Most people's behavior god fearing or not, is based around social inhibitors or social contacts; when there is not a strong deterrents people are more likely to commit malevolent acts, if it's proportionate to their aims and their likely to get away with it.

OP is kind of right, you know.
The only reason we dont steal, kill rape (Im making assumptions of you anons)
is because our parents, or some framework told us it's bad; or we've internalised what that bad act ,feels like.
Otherwise one of you here is going to steal, rape or kill, when they need to, for a small gain, provided they can get away with it.

I'm seeing a lot of subjectivity on this thread...
you guys are trying to justify something on the basis of a greater good, which is weird when pleasure is all that matters.
The world is my playground and there're no gods to hold me down.

ofc. That kind of morality is ingrained biologically to some degree, we were just made that way.
dialoguestudies.org/articles/tribal-morality-and-the-ethical-other-the-tension-between-modern-moral-aspirations-and-evolved-moral-dispositions/

>The world is my playground
Did you never got a a whak with the plastic shovel when you demolished someone else sandcastle in kindergarden?

>why aren't you all heroin addicts extracting maximum pleasure value before your time is up?

Making stuff up as you go along - another great Christian philosophical tool.

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Interesting.
So your argument is:
>some nebulous unknowable character may have spawned the universe
>it or he cant interfere with human free will
>and he wont cure leukemia because it's upto us to discover a treatment.

Tell me again why I should WORSHIP it or give it MY RESPECT?
If there is truly a creator of that magnificence, than I am but a mere ant to it.
It would be an ant hitching a lift in my car and expecting it to worship whichever German engineer designed it.

No. Op questions why atheist have morals because his only seem to come from religion.
That doesn't make him "right" in any way, he makes no statement just questions

I'd say it's more human that it is Christian exclusively, and it wasn't a declaration of "this is how you are," it was a question of "what is keeping you from being this way?"

greeks believed that when you die you go to a place where you do nothing and spend the time being sad you are not alive.

You are completely illiterate if you think that an happy afterlife is something that all religion are based on.

You do realize there's a reason for almost every christian rule right? Have you ever pondered why you should not sin?

genetic conditioning
selfish desire
same reasons as everyone else

Why do you think you get to define someone's beliefs and then ask a rhetorical questions about them?

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Absolutely not true. When you look at ACTUAL facts the more secular a nation is the less crime and violence. It might be because people who don't need to lie to themselves about a sky wizard are more intelligent so they're more efficient at forming a working a social contract with their peers, or it might be that the actual act of lying to one's self because you're such a fucking beta you can't cope with your own mortality so you have to make an elaborate fairy tale to make yourself feel better, is an inherently unhealthy way to live.

This faggot is why we can't have nice things. Just because sky daddy is gone doesn't mean you get to do whatever you want. You have the mentality of a fucking child with no babysitter.

The condom broke and the abortion clinic was closed.

>That doesn't make him "right" in any way, he makes no statement just questions

Whether he admits it or not, his morals (presumably) only come from a religion and normal day-to-day common courtesies.
He should have asked where do you fags get your moral guidance from?
We could at least tell him it similar to his; albeit perhaps a broader spectrum than just one book or faith.
That said, broader spectrum doesnt mean anything goes; if anything it means more selection. To use an analogy when I go food shopping I dont throw everthing off the shelves into the trolley (actually I do in the desert aisle when the wife isnt looking!).
I am more conservative now, than I was a die-hard theist.

So..
im atheist, but i do see why sometimes religion can be useful. It can prevent idiots like OP from being complete degenerates because they are unable to come up with their own reasons not to...

Atheists don't understand logic.

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>Some nebolous character has made all
Might be, im agnostic.
>it cant interfere
Or doesnt want to so we can act freely withing the given constraints that give the universe its form
>he wont cure leukemia
ye, we are not stuck as chimpanzees though and after a mere 10.000 years of suffering from illness we can get over it soon. Thats something man, monkeys gonna have illnesses still in 10.000 years and enough self-regard that they may suffer under it.

>why should I worship
You dont have to, but we already worship governments whose care can be rather questionable. Having a counterweight to that which is greater no matter how much they invest in surveillance would be a small solace.
Also humans like chiefs and strenght. A creator would be strong and mightier then what we can imagine, there is inherent respect that comes from that.
>An ant hitching a car
I dont quiet get were you are going with this.

I was saying that >Making stuff up as you go along
Isn't Christian and that op wasn't being declarative when asking >why aren't you all heroin addicts

I know that there is reason for Christian rules, it's what western society is built on and it's why western society is great.

Ah, perhaps I should have explained that to OP then.

My desires and actions are based on what gives me the most pleasure. If that makes me a child, I'm a very rational child. Also, why the homophobia?

>Absolutely not true. When you look at ACTUAL facts the more secular a nation is the less crime and violence
I immediately think godless authoratarian states of
>Stalin communist, Russia -millions dead
>Pol Pot, Cambodia- milllions dead

I think it's far more complex, than saying one is better than the other in terms of being less violent. Even if religion is man made, I'm sure it's possible for instance. for a nation of Buddhists to be less violent than a nation of atheists
It just so happens we can compare Tibet and China for per capita head, for violent crimes.
I dont know what the figures are, I would need to look it up.

You do realize there are underlying reasons for Christian rules right? Some are just to maintain the religion but most are grounded in things that are real and have observable consequences.

What if the crime and violence caused by the state? 100 million deaths is quite a lot, and that's just communism.

Imagine if it pleased you on some deep level to take a life or fuck a kid. Would you do it?

Communism is a religion too.

>b-but it doesn't have a church!

Religion is anything that has a dogma. Feminism and veganism are just as cancerous as christcuckery and shitslam.

Why not?

youtube.com/watch?v=Gd9OhYroLN0

I will battle you to this background song with my katana, your days are counted coldsteel

underrated

I'm an atheist, and I'm also an anti natalist, so I actually agree with you.
Most people are hypocrites, surprise surprise.

I completely agree as a comfort in terms of functionality, religion wins against the bleakness of facing the never ending abyss of death. We cannot feel solace in this. If anyone does, as a atheist those who say they dont fear death, must just be putting a brave face on it, or they've not had those quiet existential moments of sheer dread.

>Having a counterweight to that which is greater no matter how much they invest in surveillance would be a small solace.
Again cant argue against this, it's a perfectly valid point the functional aspect of religion wins here, unless we each get a mech suit with a jet pack.

Ant in the car thing, explanation, my bad dont worry.
I was just saying the universe is huuuuuge and very very very small; it's incredible and amazing that we exist right now. Of course it's possible for some creator or force to be behind the 'big bang' no one knows.
Lets assume for a moment some evidence is discovered of a creator. To understand that creator, it would be like an ant trying me.

In substantive terms how religion describes reality, it's very wrong an very flaw and completely irrelevant. But on the functional side, which deals with comfort and morals, group cohesiveness, shared values, it's doing a good job in places. I wouldnt say this is true of all faiths right now, but certainly some. Belief in belief (regardless of how at odds with reality) seems to be a powerful motivator.

They have kids because they like sex, and then they simply have an abortion.

Homosexuality is a degenerate behavior that erodes the morals foundations upon which society is built. You have knowingly placed your own individual pleasure over the wellbeing of the collective. Therefore for not only my continuing well being but that of society which I have a mutualistic relationship with, I think that you and all of your ilk should be executed.

That's OPs point. By being a child murdering heroin junkie faggot you are acting consistently with your atheist beliefs.
You're a product of an ancient self sustaining system. Why not have faith the world is good and continue the 14 billion years of work instead of rebelling against the system?

No you're just a faggot that places too much weight on his own ego so you think the world begins and ends with your (possible illusion) of conciousness.

Are you taking about solipsism? What does that have to do in this context?

>Communism is a religion too.
I'd call it an ideology.
I think the dichotomy is Ideologies seek political power but Religions seek social or cultural power.
Obviously some religions overlap here, in that some may describe a manner of living which favours a particular political framework.
>e.g.Catholicism favours conservative Government

While some ideologies offer frameworks which proscribe beliefs and social functions.
>e.g. Communism prevents religious belief thus preventing shared worship and group cohesion around common values.

I'm talking about this concept here. Life seems to ignore entropy (the physical law that organized atoms move towards disorganization). Our sun will die in 2 billion years. The universe itself is expanding and will one day grow cold and die if left untreated. EVERYTHING DIES. Stop feeling so special. Even if we found a seeming cure for immortality you'd still die one day unless you could solve whatever challege lies ahead, and you're just not clever enough to do that. So stop placing so much value on "muh life" and start looking at the bigger picture.

My point is that anything that ignores measurable facts, and presents itself as something more than a shitty theory can be moved into the same cancerous lump.

If you think it's all about the afterlife, why don't you kill yourself already?

>start looking at the bigger picture.
You just said that everything dies, so what's the bigger picture?
And why would I care anyway?

Why does it concerns you ?
Did you ever considered to have it all wrong in the first place, that the lack of belief is not correlated with lack of purpose or morality ? Lack of biological instinct ?
Thats why everybody makes fun of faith today, because its most vocal supporters are retards like muslims and people like Op.
You give us bad rep, so stfu plz. You are an idiot, instead of strawmanning atheists, work on fixing yourself.
Atm, pray that there is no iq requirement in heavens, coz you would be rejected.

T.christian.

>You just said that everything dies

Maybe. Maybe not. Life tries its hardest to resist that though, was my point.

>why would I care anyway?

You don't. I criticised your belief that antinatalism is the only logical conclusion of atheism and everybody else *must* be a hypocrite, even though the physical world continues and even faces the same challenge of death.

Children can bring immense joy into the lives of loving parents. They can help you become a better person while you rediscover the world together.

t. Satsnist

>antinatalism is the only logical conclusion of atheism
I certainly think that. I see a lot of cognitive dissonance everywhere, among both atheists and religious people, so, like I said, I'm not surprised.
>everybody else *must* be a hypocrite, even though the physical world continues and even faces the same challenge of death.
I honestly don't understand the point you're trying to make here.

I think we all have hope.
Having children and raising them is a significant step towards contributing to hope and a continued future regardless of our faiths or lack of.

>Life seems to ignore entropy (the physical law that organized atoms move towards disorganization). Our sun will die in 2 billion years. The universe itself is expanding and will one day grow cold and die if left untreated. EVERYTHING DIES
Very deep (Plato is that you?)
Turritopsis dohrnii doesnt die (unless it gets sick or eaten)
If nature provides a way for it, there is nothing as wonderful, as we can imagine.
Immortality could be possible.
>en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turritopsis_dohrnii

>My point is that anything that ignores measurable facts, and presents itself as something more than a shitty theory can be moved into the same cancerous lump.
I understand. I dont think it's useful to throw all of these terms in the same pot because someday we might need to untangle the mess to not make the same mistakes again.
Everything, we've done in this millennia is built upon something else, even the bad ideas.
Without alchemy we would not have chemistry; without religion we would not have formed social values, and rituals .

The only reason I am writing with spaces and punctuation in Latin based text, is because Emperor Constantine's scribes invented the modern latin alphabet. Constantine ordered that the books which were codified into the bible at the council of Nicea, were to be reproduced; but scribes complained that copying the text into ancient Roman text, was wrought with difficulties. This was because Romans wrote only in capitals and without punctuation e.g. JESUSSAITHUNTOTHEMCOMEFOLLOWME. Thus a new language with punctuation, space and lowercase letters was born!

Maybe one day we will say, if it was not for capitalism or communism the world would not have been able to emerge into a Resource economy, allowing us to push the limits of human potential exploring space.