Pol is becoming a doctor or surgeon worth it...

The occupations listed below are the best paying, according to U.S. News & World Report and data from the Bureau of Labor Statistics.

1. Anesthesiologist
Mean salary: $269,600

2. Surgeon
Mean salary: $252,910

3. Obstetrician and Gynecologist
Mean salary: $234,310

4. Oral and Maxillofacial Surgeon
Mean salary: $232,870

5. Orthodontist
Mean salary: $228,780

And that line of work will be done by cheap wetbacks, same as over here it's done by east Europeans or russkies.

> A lot of Americans come to America.
To Australia I meant.

you get paid a lot but it is hard work, often in a shitty building with a bunch of idiots. if you find the topics interesting and want to help people go for it, otherwise i would steer clear

Yeah being a doctor is great if you do something like cardiology or whatever.

Lots of school lots of money you’ll be poor and suffering until your early-mid thirties but then you’ll be living the fucking life m8

I personally think medical shit is disgusting and also I didn’t have the money or discipline to ever make it through medical school

Wassup user. MS3 medfag here. It's a lot of work, but it depends on what you like doing. I switched around a lot in my youth, and didnt get to med school until I was 28, but it gave me a leg up on maturity. I started in computer science, went to engineering and found that it was not for me, then I went to biology which I have an innate ability with. Medicine flows for me, I feel it deeply. For me personally, I hate people, but I love solving complex problems and being smarter than everybody in the room. I also like that society looks up to us and we have the opportunity to be the change we want to see in them. Medicine can be extremely rewarding at times, at others it makes you want to kill yourself. Definitely an emotional a roller coaster these last few years but I have learned a lot about myself and sharped my critical thinking skills. There is always a job for you if you are willing to do it and you will always live a comfortable life style. There are so many aspects to medicine that its unlikely you wont find something you like, whether it be radiology, surgery, internal medicine, geriatrics, family, pediatrics, psychiatry, there are so many different problems to solve with such interesting variables. Expect to be worked hard. The hours suck for the first decade, once you are out of school for good things improve rapidly. The money is pretty good, and if you have a mind for business and good work ethic within a decade of graduation you can be making a shitton operating your own clinics.
We also have a very strong lobby that protects our interests, so while the relationships within the profession may always be trying to take each others work, overall we protect ourselves and our income stream quite well.Finally most medical people are insufferable leftist scum, but you can come from a centrist position and red pill them occasionally. I'm nat soc so I have to be EXTREMELY CAREFUL in how I present opinions.

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All of that said, there are MANY MANY MANY better ways to make money, Medicine is not a money mans fantasy. You will live comfortably, but no one got rich by working. My father does real estate and he has made a fortune, but you have to know how to deal. My suggestion is you look deep and see if you have the will to get fucked around with and shit on for a long time. If you like a challenge, love biology, and you enjoy being depressed and over worked. Medicine is for you.

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Can you go to post grad med school from any undergrad major? Don’t you need either undergrad medical school or biology?

8 years prep to deal with puss and bile and shit(literally)
If you're not a sick fuck with some weird fetish I say fuck it.

How about >70K?

BTW, since I feel like jerking myself off mentally I am top 5% of my class and honors. I will probably be going into surgery of some sort. I applied to a caribbean school about a month after I got divorced so I could get the fuck out of that situation immediately. I was accepted and in class 2 months later. To apply to medical school in the US usually takes 1 year to complete. Going to Carib schools can hurt you to some degree, its harder for us to get opportunities in the more profitable sectors, but ultimately scores and connections are everything. Politics is important later on. Score highly, make sure you are FIRST FIRST FIRST to apply, dont worry to much about the quality of your essays, just be first. Also remember, YOUR TEST SCORES ARE FOREVER, DIE FOR THEM, sleep 3 hours, sleep 2 hours, do what ever it takes to not fuck up. Have a healthy fear of failure and an understanding that at this level of function there is no such thing as failure, it is do, or do.

As long as you take basic prerequisites; microbio, anatomy, physiology, ochem you can apply

Plenty docs just write prescriptions or medical certifications all day long. Pretty comfy job, I guess.

>, I hate people, but I love solving complex problems and being smarter than everybody in the room.
>he watched House MD
>decided he'll do the same
what a fag

If you're smart, there are easier ways to make money. If you specialize in a niche engineering field and get a decade of experience under your belt, you can consult for minimum $100/hr. Practically no debt and very little stress.

Depends on what you do, its office work, you will never break your back, and you can work until you are in your 70's if you want. Many doctors I know retired early, then go back to work later or own a clinic so they can work 5-8 hours a week because they are bored as fuck. I like surgery because I dont personally want to work around sick people as I have some underlying immunosuppression, but there are lots of things wrong with humans that we can fix, not always disease.

>Anti sjw liberarian
Aaaaaaa god save us! Help aa help meeeeeee

>t. subhuman moor rape baby

The medical school system in the US is the longest and the most arduous system in the whole world. However, it is aguably the most prestigious. A bachelor's degree in any discipline is required to attend medical school, but you must take all the prerequisite courses for medical school, e.g. biology, biochemistry, organic chemistry, physics, etc.

I'm a pre-med student myself; majored in biochemistry and anthropology; biological anthropology courses were super interesting imo; we learned of all the very clear differences the skeletal morphologies between races; it was pretty redpilling for me

You aren't going to make it if you're doing it for the money. Promise you.

I was trolling him last night XD I want him to kill himself

See you can be like him user, or you can be like me and sell these motherfuckers their tort and malpractice insurance.

Remember the guys that made it big in the gold rush were the ones selling pic axes and tents, not the ones panning for nuggets.

>the doc probably makes more desu senpai

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>, but I love solving complex problems and being smarter than everybody in the room
>too dumb for engineering
>smartest in the room
If this isn't a bait pasta, you're retarded.

You'll be up against robotic Asians whose main cultural trait is test cramming and "grinding". I say avoid.

not too dumb for engineering, just simply did not like the problems. If you can't understand that one problem is not like another problem then you are the retard my dipshit senpai

>Physics major right now
Following in my footstep, I see. The doctor route pays more. They physics route means you don't have to endure as many dipshits on a day-to-day basis.

Please pretend I correctly typed "footsteps" and "the physics" in that post. (Sigh!)

>You'll be up against robotic Asians whose main cultural trait is test cramming and "grinding". I say avoid.

You left out cheating. Cheating is rampant among Asian nationals in American schools. It's all about making that money to them. Insect people.

this is probably true. physics you deal with nothing but professionals all day, but you could also do pathology and all you do is talk to doctors all day as well, so there is a niche everywhere. Just depends on if you have the right skills to get to where you want to be happy, not everybody does visual pattern recognition well, or whatever it is for that particular field.

>You left out cheating.
When you get high up enough in physics, they fall away. They can cheat and copy, but they can't innovate.

If you get a phd in for example geophysics the pay won’t be significantly less than a physician’s, unless you go to surgery.

There is no cheating in med school friend, the tests are highly regulated and proctored. You might be able to cheat a little bit early on by having more materials or tests from several years ago, but everything moves so fast and they watch you so closely its highly unlikely.

If you have big balls then yeah becoming an actuarian pays mad cash. I’d avoid other finance related majors though.

Redox potential means your body's ability to fight off cellular oxidation. Leading the weakened immune system, rapid aging, slow healing, chronic disease, all resulting in a much shortened lifespan. That's what google says.

Have friends who are psychiatry residents, they did it purely for the money, purely for the job security. There are 7 billion people on this earth and many of us are motivated to survive even if you arent.

I don't know what type of physics you like most, but you probably will enjoy orthopedics, which deal with injuries to muscle and bone and thus torque, rotational inertia, etc.,
You may also like being a prosthetist for the same reasons; all involve understanding mechanical physics strongly
And you if you like nuclear physics and optics, radiology and ophthalmology are good bets too

They are going to be shitty psychiatrists who cant do anything but dispense pills according to the book.

>is making six figures a year with your pick of the litter in women worth it

This. Physics could make you very good at math and more capable than most to handle medical system design or medical fields with a lot of math like epidemiology. Not necessarily doctors but good jobs in medical world with lots of employment opportunities and great pay. Your background with physics could be a considerable bonus to being hired.

Very nice user. I do love it when you guys have real data and sources. These look like great options if someone is capable and can do it.

That is LITERALLY all that a psychiatrist is my friend... what do you think they do talk to people to fix their problems? hahahhaha... good one. That's a psychologist not a psychiatrist. There is only one thing you do to people who have voices in their head and that is give them sedating drugs until they stop hearing them.

Don't do it. The medical profession suffers from high rates of depression. Many, especially those in psychiatry, get into the field to fix their own retarded problems. If you want to be a surgeon you should be prepared to labor a decade with little to compensate for the hard work you put in.

If you pick the right specialty. Some specialties are high stress/80 hrs a week, others are cushy. Also, make sure you can delay gratification until your early 30s. Finally, consider who you're asking for advice... If you can't tolerate 7+ years of being in six figure debt, become a physicians assistant and move up into hospital administration.

If you enter the medical industry, take a blockchain with you.

You'll work literally forever. Become a dentist, GP or pharmacist if you want anything resembling a normal life.
You'll be looked down upon by Medicine chads though.

>Make money
>Use money to create a satisfying life for yourself
That's all
(Also, read the Gospel with an open heart and an open mind. It's worth it, I promise.)

>You'll be looked down upon by Medicine chads though.
If you consider those physicians who work 80 hours a week to be the "chads", lol.

>be me
>not a chad or a doctor
>work 80 hours a week
>make half of what doctors make

Should I just kill myself?

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No. Just get a job that works you less.

They cut people apart and put them back together again. What did you do in your 80 hours of work this week cuck?

Yeah if you don't want a life and you're a little autistic. my brothers a surgeon and loves it but he works more than anyone i know and barely see's his kids.

For money, probably not. I can already see the effect of faggot lawyers and Jewish legislators coming after my wallet.

Go be a medical physicist or dosimetrist for radiation therapy. Your salary is your salary, and quite good most of the time, you won't deal with as much administrative shit, and your workhours are predictable.

so you don't have a Picture of Dr. Joe on your desk?

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Tell me more about yourself user. I'm an ex-bourgeois prole with a plan to get back to the bourgeois and then who knows? Use your money to better yourself and increase your earning potential. Never settle.

Those numbers seems extremely low for anesthesia, but then again this probably factors in public hospitals which pay less since they are helping with malpractice insurance.

It has to be somewhat incomplete though because even at teaching hospitals neurosurgeons and orthopedic surgeons are paid better than this.

>When you get high up enough in physics, they fall away. They can cheat and copy, but they can't innovate.

We were talking med school, but I agree w.r.t. fields like math and physics.

>There is no cheating in med school friend, the tests are highly regulated and proctored. You might be able to cheat a little bit early on by having more materials or tests from several years ago, but everything moves so fast and they watch you so closely its highly unlikely.

Well, I can tell you that it is rampant in pharmacy school, which is also extremely competitive, fast-paced, and information-laden. I'd be surprised if medical school was immune from this, but I could be wrong.

>They cut people apart
What's your point. They probably have broken households due to never being home too. If you think getting called in at 9 pm on a Saturday because some gangbanger got shot up is glamorous work...
>What you do
I am taking the prerequisites to enter med school. I just know that some specialties are miserable and stressful.

*what is your point?

One thing people need to realize is no matter how glamorous or prestigious a career may seem, eventually after enough time you will get used to it and the novelty will wear off. The only exceptions to this are how many hours you work, how stressful it is, and how hard it is on your body - those are things that will always effect you.

>Being a general surgeon is a poor investment of your time unless you specifically like the type of work. At least try othropedics for better pay, or opthalmology for better hours.

>med school

Pretty good idea tbqh, you’ll make a lot of money. You’ll have lots of debt too. With med school and law school there’s a give and take - yes you can set yourself up for a very lucrative career, yes you can make very impressive starting salaries well into the six figures, but you’ll have to take on lots of debt. When I say lots I mean like 100,000 to 200,000 in debt. You won’t be able to pay it off until your 30s at the earliest. Shit sucks.

I don't believe anyone would appreciate that very much, but I don't have any problem with what he was doing. Jews are garbage and they would do it to us if they had the opportunity. Look at what they are doing to children with the tranny shit. We learned a lot from human experimentation and there is no reason not to continue it just because some people dont have the stomach for it.

there is too much critical thinking going on to be cheating much. There was plenty of it in didactic, but there is no cheating later, people drop out early when they cannot think properly.

Every one of those except for orthodontist and maybe obgyn are off by 100k+ . However, every one except for orthodontist and obgyn are worked like a mule.

>no cheating in med school
He's pretty much right though, even with the "early on" statement. Certain cliques guard the fuck out of information from prior years test, but it's generally accessible to all. Doing well in medical school is more about motivation than than anything else.

>After divorce
What age you, user?
I'm 30 and had thought about MedSchool but think it's pretty much over

>tfw I work in Marketing
>What is meaning?

do you want to save lives and help people and be a compassionate caring person?
than yes by all means be a doctor.

do you just want to be rich and travel and be a playboy and disregard patients true overall health for the perks big pharma will give you?
than no, there are way to many worthless fucking people like that in the profession.

>t. i have a filter embedded in my ivc that medical journals say will eventually degrade to the point of piercing my heart and/or lungs. i had the latter Dr.

I'm starting my first year next month. Do you medfags have tips for me? I was lucky enough to take gross anatomy w/dissection in undergrad and I'm a biochemistry major so I have that shit down. What else is usually hard to get down first year?

>Working somewhere with gangbangers
You realize the big money is out in the sticks where there is none of this garbage going on right? You can make 2X as much in Wisconsin as you do in New York or Chiraq. If you find an area that is chronically underserved in the middle of no where they sometimes do signing bonuses for 200K plus for people coming straight off residency.

Don’t get me wrong I make plenty for my age 27 more than most people I know it’s just that I’m not really feeling this career

But I’m affriad I’ve put too much time and expirience into insurance to quit it now and start over.

Personally I'd recommend just becoming a physicians assistant or a nurse anesthetist. Way less schooling and much higher demand. It's very rough getting residencies nowadays. I did a clinical rotation at an Md.clin sim lab and the doc in charge told me a lot of their students get through med school only to find that there are no residencies avaliable for them. Even if you want to be a surgeon, your chances of landing that residency are slim. I'd go with nurse anesthetist. They make big money and it's a comfy gig.

I am 33 now, I entered at 28. There were many non traditional students at our school, some as old as late 30's, like 38 or so. They had families in tow etc. I'm not sure I would wish this pain on anyone though ;) Marketing sucks, but there is lots to do out there.

>You can make 2x work in underserved communities
Yeah, you're still on call. That will get old really quickly. Go become a family physician in North Dakota if you want to make a ton of money in a rural area. They'll pay 300k+ for primary care.

What do you do?

This 100%, if i could do it again I would do PA or NA, all of the cash, all of the fun, NONE of the responsibility. Landing surgery is not that slim if you have what it takes, but what it takes is 10%.

Doctors are a high risk, high reward job. You'll drown yourself in ten times the debt of your peers and you'll be paying it off until you're in your 50s (because you'll be starting your career 10+ years later than your peers as well). Then, from 55 to 65 you'll earn SO much more than your peers you'll have a larger retirement savings in 10 years of work than they'll have had working for 45 years. That said, if ANYTHING goes wrong (sued into bankruptcy for medical error, accident prevents ability to work, realize at 40 you hate dealing with sick/injured minorities) you will die poor. I wouldn't recommend it unless you have a genuine passion for healing people.
t. In-laws are doctors who own their own practice. They're in their late 60s and in the last few years they've started taking vacations and "enjoying" their lives now that everything is paid off; if you could call waiting until you're on death's doorstep to have fun "living".

Do it. You can kill niggers and jews on the surgery table. Just make it look like they never had a chance!

Graduated with my bs in physics last year, currently doing materials Science and engineering PhD program
Pros: already get paid without taking out more student loans, great job prospects, fun work, based professors in ee
Cons: none that I can think of

>Pay off the debt in your 50s
How bad are you with money? You should pay off that debt in 1-2 years...

They are phenomenally bad with money, but if between you and your wife you've racked up 400k in college debt you basically have a second mortgage, and mortgages take decades to pay off.

Will you preform gender reassignment surgery?

You must be mistaken on how much med school costs. I am in year 3 with 240K. I'll leave with approximatelly 325K maybe 375K. Most pay it off in 10 or so. After getting fucked in residency (55-65K) many want to enjoy themselves a bit. You can live pretty comfy on 70K a year though and you would pay off half a million (what it eventually costs with interest) in 5 or so years. We get shitty rates on govt loans too because market knows we will pay off.

The average debt from medical school is 200k. The "lowest" paid physician will make ~200k straight out of residency. I guess they need to splurge out on BMWs and summer homes immediately and end up paying more interest.

Only on you. First and Last. No guarantees that I won't sew your dick to your forehead.

Almost everyone I know pays it off in under 5 years, the ones that don't go out and by "doctor cars" and "doctor houses" immediately after residency and constantly have a solid 40-80k debt.
Live like a resident 1-2 more years and usually your debt will be gone.

If you are 375k in debt (which is way more than the national average), there still is no excuse. Even if you land family physician, your contract should be low-mid 200s. Don't splurge out and live on 30k for two-three years...

I don't think this user has ever attended medical school.

Do you go to a private school or paying out of state tuition? I didn't pay full price due to military but my wife was a traditional medical student, we're two years out, and she paid like 200k.

I thought this was common knowledge on how to pay off debt

Med school is so highly competitive that the chances of you getting selected without a premed background are slim to none. Just stick to measuring the torque of your hand as you jerk yourself off to dreams of being a real scientist.

What are you even talking about? The acceptance rate is like 42%. Including DOs, around half get in. Med school accepts liberal arts majors as long as they volunteer, participate in research, and complete the ~9 prerequisites