Redpill me on the electoral college

Virginia was the California back in the 1700s. That’s why Jefferson tried to end slavery in Virginia. But the vote failed by 3 as I recall.

shut the fuck up you redcort

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Didn't Rhode Island receive literally ZERO visits from 2016's presidential nominees?

One of the strongest remaining elements of state sovereignty. Definitely something we shouldn't be getting rid of.

Yea, it was a dark blue state. What’s your point? A lot of states did no get any visitors.

Trump was smart and went to the rust belt. Usually republicans don’t visit Wisconsin or Minnesota and he did.

Great system. Deserves more love. Only way to make it better is to stop counting illegals in the census. Oh wait, Trump is alreary doing that.

He is doing that to red pill the normies. People don’t know how bad our illegal immigrant situation really is.

>Yea, it was a dark blue state.
Important point. EC discourages liberal groupthink by rewarding states that don't have sheep-like voters with high-energy Trump rallies.

So even in 1770, VA only made up a fifth of the total population of the colonies..how the hell does that translate to "VA controlling the entire union?"

It also will lower the official population of high-immigrant states (CA) and give them less EC votes.

and /thread.

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1/5th is a big voting block

It was designed so that the most populated state in the colonies of the time, Virginia, didn't just decide who was president.

Over time, it has continued to protect the majority of states from having just the most populated 2 or 3 states from deciding who becomes president.

Of dark blue states stopped being so stupid they would get attention, same goes for dark red states. It’s the states fault.

Trump went to dark red states too. It's only the deep blue sea that got btfo

I never even thought of that. Very interesting

Trump has a private jet and not a bus ha

Also the EC protects rural voters because it discourages urban vote-blocking.

Are you that stupid? Or a troll? Elections can be won by a few thousand votes. Bush V gore for example

Y'know illegal immigrants can't vote, right? Voter fraud is incredibly rare.

Still not the majority. If we assume that a hypothetical replacement for the EC wherein 1 vote is equal everywhere requires a majority on casted to win, then they still wouldn't be able to control the entire union. And having a fifth of the say in this context is perfectly reasonable if they have a fifth of the people.

It's a compromise between keeping all states equally represented in the federal government and keeping the will of the American people overall represented in the federal government. I think it works quite well. Imagine if the EU turned into the United States of Europe, with a federal body on par with the federal government of the US. If representation was based only on the popular vote, why would smaller states want to stay in the union? They'd basically just get dictated to by the larger nations

No, but they cost a lot of tax dollars. I never said they could vote. I don’t believe 2mil illegals voted in this election, but I do believe millions of communist voted for Hillary which is worse.

We are the United STATES not the United People.

Read the founders arguments on this issue. You clearly don’t comprehend it.

>Voter fraud is incredibly rare.
Which is why Democrats won't allow us to investigate it.

>If representation was based only on the popular vote, why would smaller states want to stay in the union?
Honestly this is such a potential problem it's even noticeable in larger states, with California being a particularly good example due to having a substantial number of Republicans, just not enough to ever really win popular elections on the state level.

Y'know the small states can still make that small difference right?

Exactly, true democracy is a flaud idea. The founders knew this thankfully.

A way to decide the result of an election before voting.

It came to electing obongo as a president.

Do you know what happen in the 2000 election? Bush literally won the election by s few thousand votes in Florida.

2 percent in an election can lead to a landslide. Just look at how the silent trump voter won the election for trump.

This, I love the way Hillary lost to the super superdelegates.

And with a popular vote sovereignty those republicans' votes would actually count, as would democrats' votes in Texas, etc.

Yes, but how exactly does this implicate larger states?

Too bad they didn't know replubicanism is a flawed idea too.

We used to be allowed to do things like have state senators be elected on a per county basis, but the supreme court decided back in the sixties that's not okay (in a completely bullshit ruling, too), so without the ability to mimic the federal model, really large states like this are a pretty bad idea.

>really win popular elections on the state level.
>state level

read a book nigger

>And with a popular vote sovereignty those republicans' votes would actually count, as would democrats' votes in Texas, etc.
I'm talking about the state level. Try to pay attention.

It worked great up until the progressive movement. Wilson killed America. What do you propose?

Seriously, you better be a kid or a troll. Study elections past history. The founders were right.

>Voter fraud is incredibly rare.

Yes, we're constantly assured by the people who stand to gain the most from unreported voter fraud that it's incredibly rare. Don't investigate it, that'd be a bad thing.

Well I was talking in a federal context; still applies. And, at the state level, if the majority of Californians are democrats, why is it a bad thing if they win their state elections?

It makes it so that everyone's votes do not count equally. Even a child can see how this is wrong.

>i don't have a counterargument

>Well I was talking in a federal context
You're the one who responded to me, you autist

>And, at the state level, if the majority of Californians are democrats, why is it a bad thing if they win their state elections?
Because the majority of the Democrats in California don't live anywhere near the majority of the Republicans in California. Why should the Democrats be dictating laws to them?

Collapsing into a civil war isn't my idea of working great, nor allowing a movement like progressivism to be treated as legitimate because "muhh people's will".
I propose dictatorship. It would've been as easy as Washington putting on a crown.

Take away LA & San Francisco out of the 2016 election and Trump wins the majority vote. Those two shitholes with ZERO voter fraud protection could have destroyed the whole country if not for the electoral college.

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Iv given you 3, you just keep running around in circles.

Lol yea dictatorships work....
America has had a lot of negatives but has bad has it gotten it’s still a great nation.

A popular vote means the cities' problems become the only problems the federal government has to care about. Voting isn't about the individual, it's about the whole country.

There is no redpill for this stupid fucking system. .

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typical demonrat IQ on display

>I propose dictatorship.
Get out.

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We are the United STATES of America. Not large population centers.

Thank god for this. Fuck California!

>Florida
>blue
>North Carolina
>blue
>PA
>blue
>Michigan
>blue
>Wisconsin
>blue
>ME02
>blue

This and check’d

Since we can't have the 3/5ths compromise, this is the next best thing.

>it’s still a great nation

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Ironically this

>Lol yea dictatorships work....
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roman_Empire
>it’s still a great nation.
In its death throes less than 3 centuries after being founded.
No.

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Move to Europe, SA, Central America, or China then say that to me.

Smaller states need protection.

>you just keep running around in circles.
I disproved them all, you just keep ignoring me to support your cognitive dissonance.

Because that's how California's borders are drawn. Would you rather quadruple the number of states?

That is only one of many examples there are many other states that simply do not have pop/vote in equal amounts.

I'm not too well versed in the nuances of all political systems but is an emperor the same as a dictator? I thought emperors had a little less power than a dictator.

No you have not ha. You just keep asking the same question.

If it was just based on numbers, California would elect whoever they want and no other state would matter.

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Emperors have more power than a dictator and tend to use it properly instead of fucking everything up.

I already mentioned that. Even under the fed rule America is still a great nation. It’s not my fault you took out a bunch of student loans and your life is bad.

Because they have less land they are a smaller state?
No they are smaller because they have less people are therefore worth less.
You should go by population.

>reh plih mi un ectrolacowg
thats what you sound like.pay attention in civics class faggot

It's not my job to restate shit a million times just because you don't want to believe it. Reread the thread if you fucking feel like it.

>used for the past several decades as a globalist puppet
>actively helped to set Western civilization on the path to annihilation in WW1 and WW2
>fucked up the ME so bad that Europe is being flooded with Muslims
>great
What America once was is no longer possible in the modern world. Democracy doesn't work with multicultural nations infested with leftism

>Because that's how California's borders are drawn.
And?

>Would you rather quadruple the number of states?
Most states don't have this problem, and yes, I completely support splitting California to get the majority of Republicans here out from under Democrat control. These large states were set up when their populations were considerably smaller than they are now, and there's little ability to structure the state governments in ways that protect political minorities.

The Roman Emperors mostly reigned as dictators, but in other systems their power might be checked. Napoleon wasn't a dictator for example.
doesn't know what he's saying

I point you to .

They need protection precisely because they have less people. Small states should not be at the mercy of large ones. People in large states should not have the ability to dictate to smaller ones, they are completely separate places.

I agree, the progressive movement fucked up America. Ignoring that America is still a nice place to live is extremely ignorant:

Recent examples show that Hitler, Stalin, and Mao couldn't build a nation that lasted half a century. Today's dictators are tomorrow's failures.

Most of Norway, Denmark, Switzerland, and Holland are probably better than most of America outside some remote rural places.

A great nation in your mind is one where the founding population is nearly a minority?
>It’s not my fault you took out a bunch of student loans and your life is bad.
Why do liberals always do this? I haven't said anything about my life.

Just curious, would you support splitting Texas up to get the Democrats there out from under Republican control?

>>actively helped to set Western civilization on the path to annihilation in WW1 and WW2
Get fucked

>>fucked up the ME so bad that Europe is being flooded with Muslims
We're not responsible for the Schengen Area existing or for Merkel opening the borders.

But Wyoming still only has 3 electoral votes

>tiny nations with majority white populations

really makes ya think

How is that a liberal argument? It’s not my fault your life is bad. I am enjoying my American experience. Suck you are not. Seriously Americans are so spoiled ha

>A popular vote means the cities' problems become the only problems the federal government has to care about.
Exactly. Popular vote would lead to urban-super control and screw over the rural voters. Right now rural is important as a voting block within the various states. In a pop vote system only cities and suburbs would matter.

Yea, I’ll still take America. Just my opinion.