Why haven't you taken the STEM pill Jow Forums?

It's like you want to be poor

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because Jow Forums are poor white dudes who either couldn't afford college, decided not to go because "i'm gonna work in the new coal jobs trump is bringin back to the country!", or flunked out.

that's why they come here. to blame their failure on blacks and jews and women.

I make $200k sweatie try again

> Moot is making $400k at google

yeah sure and i'm stephen weinberg.

Isn't 120k a year enough to be in top one percent?

I’d rather be poor materially than poor in spirit

>because Jow Forums is not one person
FTFY faggot

Architectural engineer here. PE.

Graduated from Texas with civil engineering degree.

Sweet job, good money, good people, pajeets and robots can't replace me.

White power.

Breaking news sweetie most millenials are poor as shit.

>When you have to lie about yourself this much in order to feel good about your Mc job and shitty life.

>wanting to work for google
>wanting to work for startup
>not wanting to work in an ethically clean company
>not wanting to work in an established business
I'll never understand my fellow stem nerds

>REEEE stop paying your employees so much we can't rip them off

This is why "start ups" are scams

>stem meme
No. I love chemistry and am going to graduate next spring. But stem only works in certain situations. Don’t expect to be a professor or researcher. The only opportunities may be in the private sector and if you can’t get into that or teaching you’re going to be eating ramen and teaching adjunct. Simply put: don’t expect to be employed just because you have Masters or PhD Biology after your name. Same thing goes with several other stem fields. Hell even chemistry is in a tough state right now.

Why hire bob and George American chemists when Rajeev and Savid work for a fraction of the pay. It’s so bad the American chemistry societies have to tell the chemists that the work just doesn’t exist in the United States anymore. A bunch of it’s overeeas now.

you realize that working for google can be a lot more than just programming right?

they have "troll programmers" who just write code, but they employ a lot of statisticians and data scientists who "program" a little to develop new algorithms and new analytical methods who are actually pioneering new intellectual ground.

heard of alphago or alphazero? heard of tensorflow? this stuff is actually revolutionary technology. not just drudge work.

anyhow the OP is kind of misguided. STEM has a lot more exciting and profitable stuff you can get into besides just tech.

>400k
You realize that is in the most expensive part of the country? 2 million will buy you a 900 sq ft house. Anyways, STEM will provide someone a solid middle-class lifestyle. However, companies are trying to get rid of that with h1bs. Regardless, there are better paying fields

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>commie memeflag
Kill yourself before we do

A lot of start ups fail but every business has to start somewhere. I’m just tired of excitable morons starting tech companies when they have no idea how to manage a business. It gives the whole industry a bad name when it’s casual Friday every day and why’re blowing budget on rediculous catering or other silly trends. Cheap work desk? Nah we need super expensive moving standing desks!

yep that's right, and we kick the shit out of you (((smart)))faggots on a regular basis.
Hey go cry o twatter more ya weak ass twink.

>hand picking the most expensive area in the bay

Income =/= Wealth.

Having a high income doesnt mean youre rich

He asked what can you get. If you want to commute two hours each way, I'm sure you can get something """reasonably""" priced

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Stop being so entitled.

No. Top 1% is like 500k a year. That depends greatly on your col though. 500k a year in NYC is not the same as 500k a year in Omaha.

$120k in Silicon valley is poverty. These companies should be allowing remote work if they're serious.

That destroys their campus work model.

Anyone who is actually in STEM knows that its a complete meme you used for cheaper labour.

Ha!
Unemployed; in Tech; in the past 4 months only 4 positions have been interested in me at all... and ONLY because I have a security clearance.

Thats because they are lazy. When i was in my 20s i made less then 3$ an hour but i worked hard and had a home in 2 years.

Workers today dont work half as hard as workers 20 years ago.

> ethically clean

Yeah, I'm sad about this too. Too many tech nerds without a foundation in the Humanities. No matter what brainlets on this board say, the humanities are vital to being a constructive citizen. Don't go into debt for it though...

Then it's not for you.

I make 70K per year and it will take me 3 decades to buy 3 bedroom suburban house. If just 50K more would put me in the top 1% this economy is truly fucked.

100%.

So many tech companies deliberately try to recreate a "cool college atmosphere" for social rejects, in a bid to commit every one of their waking hours to the job. It's overt manipulation, and too many of them don't have the social or rhetorical chops to realize this.

>i make 200k+ a year
>i have 200k in savings
>im in my 20s and own my own house

sure you do Jow Forums, sure you do

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I pray for the end every day.

What is your skill set? Part of riding the Tech Bubble is knowing how to surf the waves of tech fads

Then get 2 jobs you lazy millennial.

Why should they? If they worked as hard as workers did 20 years they would still be underpaid and without pensions. Sure, the ambitious and lucky can go start their own businesses, but that isn't the rule and you know it.

Productivity is higher than over and wages are stagnant or declining in most fields outside of tech and FIRE

dont forget to put down the avacado toast

>feeding the beast

Nyet

Jow Forums should use their STEM knowledge to cure aging.

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> cure aging

That's degen. There is a time to live and a time to die. Reckoning with the inevitability of your own death should push you to consider your obligations to future generations. Instead this would just extend gross self-interest and hyper-individualism

I took up computer programming because I was told it was results driven and I wouldn't have to talk to anyone. Instead 80% of my time is spent in scrum meetings listening to dumb bitch project managers complain about their husbands and Trump.

$465k is top 1% of America
$32k is top 1% of the world

Find a different company or make your own. Programming is unique in that it enables you to take the self-employment pill with relatively low capital investment.

DEATH PREVENTS HOLLOWING

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Income isn't wealth.

The top 1% of incomes arent the problem. It's the top 1% of wealth. Wealth holds the true power that transcends lifetimes.

STEM is definitely a meme. I work for a huge company, the ladder is pretty short for anyone on the tech track. Your salary usually starts out a little higher than the people on the business track, but they surpass you pretty quickly and have no ceiling as far as career advancement.

unemployeed in tech is treated as nuclear waste, lie on your resume you idiot.

>they surpass you pretty quickly and have no ceiling as far as career advancement.
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$209K in SF is $50K in TX

No fuck that you'll have a bunch of mentally broken immortals all over the place. Very few will be able to not break down and keep moving.

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yeah but MBAs are useless sellouts who do nothing but circle-jerk eachother

STEMs actually make a difference in the world

plus if we hit the jackpot we become multi-billionaires, unlike you douches who at max have a chance of becoming a CEO who makes 7 figures. OTOH stems are the majority of 9-10 figures

>These companies should be allowing remote work

I don't get the obsession with forcing everyone to be in the same cramped meeting room. Especially since most meetings someone will usually be screen sharing. So basically you all sit in the meeting room together staring at your individual laptops. Why do they insist you be on site for it?

>STEMs actually make a difference in the world

Dude. Most tech jobs, especially the high paying ones, are just selling socially poisonous products with pretty simple technology.

The jobs that actually make a difference, e.g. medical research or civil engineering, have shitty salaries.

Shit manager that can't measure productivity in ways other than seeing your butt in a seat. There's also a high level of distrust of programmers from people who don't understand what they do but still need to pay them money.

> Am I really getting my money's worth?

Why should i go to STEM? I hate all the jobs related to STEM. Sitting in an office is fucking boring.

What jobs can I get if I learn python? I’ve done like 10 hours and it seems pretty straight forward.

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>What is your skill set?
Mostly maintenance programming. / I've professionally worked in C#, Delphi, Java, PHP, VB.NET. Nonprofessionally: Ada, Pascal, a little C and C++. / I'm involved in the standards boards of both VHDL and Ada. / I have a host of other skills picked up through (eg) almost a decade years in the national guard.

>unemployeed in tech is treated as nuclear waste, lie on your resume you idiot.
Never. Standard employment contracts list that as a cause for termination; plus, you know, Security Clearance.

just say you are working on your own startup and it's not doing well

My job gives us annual goals that you must meet in order to not be fired. One of the goals this year is 120% utilization, means you need to work at least 8 hours of overtime per week to not be fired (unspoken). We are salaried though so don't get paid for that time, and that's just the baseline, really they want 50 to 60. I knew something was off my first day when part of the tour was the "rest rooms", bunch of cots lined up for people to sleep when they have worked so long it is no longer safe to drive home.

>just say you are working on your own startup and it's not doing well
LOL - I do/actually am.

Because when having workers gets too expensive (e.g. minimum wage bs) they get replaced by robots.

>Dude. Most tech jobs, especially the high paying ones, are just selling socially poisonous products with pretty simple technology.
yeah, that's the tech companies hire "marketing" majors (i.e. i'm just a bro who's attractive and a good talker who went to college to attend classes where we discuss the latest Wall Street Journal instead of learning math or physics or anything real) in addition to STEMs.

the people who _make_ that technology, though, are making a difference. and even if they only make 100k a year, at least they can have a dignified and ethical life, as opposed to the "business-school" fuckers who have nothing to pride themselves on besides their salary

Be prepared to put in 500 more hours.

If you're ONLY a programmer good luck. If you can bring Python to another problem domain, then you'll have success.

DAB

Chances of you or anyone hitting the jackpot are pretty damn slim regardless of what your career is. 99% are gonna be wage slaves for life, the main difference being business track wages are gonna be much higher and most of their work day is going to be watching Netflix. STEM you are going to be doing all the heavy lifting into your 60's and prolly die shortly after from high blood pressure.

I have seen this three times now. The first time it read '300K' then '350K'. Now '400K'. What is this bullshit?

>he didn't get into software consulting

140k + bonuses
travel the world
treated to expensive lunches / events all the time

don't be a dumbass and get into programming. Get on the revenue generating side of a company

Yeah but its a massive fucking salary. And you cant buy things with dignity. So people are still incentivised to do shit like marketing and things that make money over things that actually contribute

Alright that’s fine. What do you mean though by bring it to another domain?

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I think you fundamentally misunderstood what I said. Most tech jobs are at bullshit companies that make bullshit products. Most tech companies are closer to Zynga and Grindr than CancerIQ (cancer research & tech) or Tachyus (petroleum & tech).

If most of these bullshit tech jobs disappeared tonight the world would probably be better off.

> nothing to pride themselves on besides their salary

don't kid yourself, that's plenty of STEM folk too. No one is 'proud' to help an ad network sell 0.1% more ads

I make about $150k a year. feels kinda crazy thinking that you're in top 1%, makes me think the war with 3rd world is inevitable

>tfw trying to get into deep learning from chemical engineering

I heard someone say once 90% of success is just showing up. Seems pretty true, most of the people I work with don't actually seem to do anything, they just exist in meetings make move their mouth when someone says their name.

What kind of software consulting job has you travelling the world? That's a goal mine.

python is the language of data science.

as far as data science goes, unless you have a background in data analysis it might not be useful for you. most data scientists develop some algorithm or analysis technique and then hand it off to some engineers to implement in C or C++

as far as i know python is also used in web development (guido himself is a web developer) but i still think it's more of a "i did it in python, now i hand it off to the engineers to implement in C++ or Java"

actual academic scientists use python too, but to make a living at it, they need to actually know science.

so yeah, STEM and python go together, and can do great things, but alone, python is not the language for coders. however, it does facilitate non-engineers to do rapid development of advanced computing, so python really helps people who know their shit but don't know coding to write their stuff into code so that engineers can implement it for real.

Poverty line for a single person is like $12k a year in the US.

Many countries don't even come close to that as their average salary.

people are here to shitpost and have fun
why are you posting here on a Friday night user?

i know, i lived in croatia for a while and there you are very lucky if you make $12k a year for example

It's really not a massive salary.

Someone with your flag should realize that a programmer being paid is generating SEVERAL MULTIPES of that in value that go straight to the owner.

Non-commies reading this: take the self-employment pill.

A company can hire randos from Romania or India to do plain Python work. The real value of Python (and programming in general) comes from being able to apply it to problems domains you're familiar with.

For example: if you're super familiar with archeology (your pic related), you can use that knowledge to (1) write programs that a run-of-the-mill programmer would never write and (2) gain a competitive advantage over other archaeologists.

Generally speaker, its easier to a subject matter expert the essentials of programming, than to teach an expert programmer how to become an expert in another field.

"people" are, but STEMs are mostly people who value things besides the small financial benefits that most people value. students of science (who mostly come from wealthy backgrounds) typically see that contributing to society is more valuable to the future generations than just being totally selfish and wanting to get a slightly higher salary at the cost of selling out your principles, ethics, and beliefs.

this is exactly why academic and national-laboratory-funded science is staying strong and continuing to be strong and relevant and pushing science and technology. because of people who can take a marginal hit to their wallet, while keeping their intellectual dignity and ethical standards by not becoming dirty sellouts

the kind that's not fun at all and has you pulling crazy hours all the time.
Seriously, don't fall into the travelling ork meme.

Im talking about the business and marketing peeps getting larger salaries.

Hey, don't let yourself fall into the trap of thinking you are special... Those people are thinking the same things.

Thank you gents. God bless.

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Be a C# programmer, but write all your tests in Python, also be sure to introduce SpecFlow in the mix, Angular, REACT templates within the Angular, and anything else you can do to make the project as convoluted and unruly as possible. And all of it design patterns within design patterns to show off what a brilliant little dev you are and make your code absolutely impossible to read for the person who has to debug and maintain the project in five years.

I want the women to fuck off and not come near STEM anymore, then I'll consider.