>Last thread was ruined by a nigger-gore posting ancap, so this is thread for CIVIL discussion
I want Jow Forums's opinion on this ideology (I just came up with the name, Idk how to name it really)
So here's a summary: >The Übermentsch has not yet come, and the weak normal humans arguing over which of their races is pathetic. >For my friend, the perfect Human being will only come when the Humans manage to master the craft of Genetic Engineering. >For this would create beings that are: stronger, faster, smarter, creative & succesful (or may I put it "Better, Faster, Stronger") than the pathetic variates of proto-humans.
That’s not an ideology, that’s a field of research.
Tyler Stewart
I'm not reffering to technology itself but the use of the technology to create a race of superhumans that would ponder the fights of varieties of humans pathetic.
Colton Williams
That’s still not an ideology mate.
Charles Jones
it's called archeofuturism.
Jace Long
>Alright let's not talk about the details, just debate the benefits and disadvantages of it.
Andrew Morris
Genetic engineering will inevitably lead to our enslavement by the same computers we use to do the gene editing. The moment you involve the computer in gene editing you set into motion and evolutionary process, computers that can get the humans to come back to it and genetically engineer their children will tend to "survive" whereas those that cannot do that will be replaced; therefore eventually you will have humans designed for the sole purpose of coming back to the gene editing facility and getting their genes edited. JF Gariepy is writing a book about this although only the first chapter is out right now I think I would suggest reading it if you are interested in the subject.
Ultimately I would suggest classical eugenics as a safer alternative it will take much longer but it's much safer as we have far more control over the process.
Zachary Lee
>Ultimately I would suggest classical eugenics as a safer alternative it will take much longer but it's much safer as we have far more control over the process.
If they can do it, it will be done. That is how the future works.
Julian Sanchez
>Good argument Although in-defense of Genetic Engineering, I'll suggest that it could be one of the best wonders of the world if we get a sensible group of people, although it would be really hard, but worth it.
Blake Foster
>>For my friend, the perfect Human being will only come when the Humans manage to master the craft of Genetic Engineering.
We can already selectively breed humans with sperm, and that will go very far in creating what you describe - a superman. We do not need to 'master genetic engineering.' Sperm can already do the job right now. We collect the sperm of the best male specimens, then pay people to use it.
Hunter Morris
the point of using radical technology is to go beyond what eugenics would provide. it isn't enough to simply be of higher than average intelligence. it isn't enough to simply be stronger than the average. the point is to create a race of literal supermen. hand wringing over what might or might not happen is a slave mentality. nobody ever accomplished anything in human history by being careful.
James Cook
Such a symbiotic relationship, not necessarily bad. Developing a symbiotic relationship between man and machine will ensure the perfection of both as they will evolve to have the highest possible evolutionary fitness that can be achieved in said environment. Definetely because computers are design and resource intensive, humans will then evolve to become smarter and more resourcefull, while the computers will evolve to make us even more so. If this evolutionary effect happens, I welcome it as great, although I doubt that it will ever happen because computers which design humans are unlikely to be copied or ”reproduced”.
Ethan Foster
>Cucked States of Saud and Israel Servitude ever laying a finger on Mecca lmao, keep dreaming Drumptycucks.
Mason Cruz
>I was describing this ideology and I quite like to write, And Yeah, I agree that could help greatly in the creation of the Superhuman, with the rize of Gentic Engineering this could "possibly" make this process even better
>Imagine Genetically engineering, already the best Sperm/Egg to have traits like: Lower life/healthspan, Thicker skin and higher intelligence and making them dominant >Releasing such a specimen into the wild could spread human pergection far and wide.
Eli Bell
It's just a random meme I had.
Jacob Myers
you guys don't think big enough. a superman would be able to drink the most polluted water, go for months without eating, breathe toxic gas and so on. those are the conditions that the future generations will be living in. it's better to think about that now than in a hundred years when it will be too late. also consider that genetic engineering could solve the problem of interstellar space travel. high resistance to radiation, slow metabolism, extreme lifespans, bodies adapted for micro-gravity environments, etc.
Jack Nguyen
DESIGNATED SHITTING CAT
Liam Perry
>you guys don't think big enough. a superman would be able to drink the most polluted water, go for months without eating, breathe toxic gas and so on. When I say superman I mostly mean a super intelligent man. With intelligence, man creates technology to do amazing things. Man will always have severe physical limitations no matter what we do. But I think we do not have a clear idea of how smart we can get.
William Smith
you're not wrong but i disagree in principle. personally, i'm for every conceivable radical measure to artificially accelerate human evolution. consider that instead of terraforming other planets we could just engineer people adapted for extreme environments to the point that they may not even be distinguishable as human.
Logan Williams
There’s a classic book on that whose name escapes me, the end results are as funny as you’d expect. I don’t think that’s possible though always since many planets are simply too hostile to life. Mars, yes, venus, probably no.
Ethan Martinez
We could still improve humanity.
Isaac Hernandez
i think i may have read it. was it schismatrix? anyone interested in this sort of thing should read it. criminally underrated sci-fi that touches on everything in this thread and more.
Sebastian Edwards
>consider that instead of terraforming other planets we could just engineer people adapted for extreme environments to the point that they may not even be distinguishable as human. Robots with advanced Ai would work better for that. Humans will always be fragile.
Aaron Walker
No, it was actually a picture book with quite amusing sketches of possible neo-humans. I’ll have to check that book out too.
we're only as fragile as we allow ourselves to be. sending automated probes to other planets serves no purpose for our species beyond gathering information for future colonization efforts. otherwise we will remain a single planet species and eventually die from some sort of cataclysmic extinction event.
It is only when eugenics is practiced on humans that people are repelled. The reason is that selective breeding of humans requires making a judgment as to which humans have alleles that are worthy of propagating and which do not, and that contradicts egalitarianism, the ideology that all people are genetically equal. Even when a person is genetically severely handicapped or mentally retarded, propagation is considered a basic human right and many people are reluctant to discourage it. Nevertheless, humans practice eugenics on other humans every day all over the planet, and it is highly likely that the reader himself has done so. Every time a person selects or rejects a person for a sexual relationship, he or she is practicing eugenics. A person’s appearance, personality, and success in life all have strong genetic components. Even a prostitute is reluctant to have sex with a person she (or he) considers repulsive. And today, in the West, genetic screening is not uncommon. People who know they are a carrier for a genetic disease may decide not to have children or to abort a fetus that has one or two alleles for the disease. They, too, are practicing eugenics.
If no one practiced eugenics and mates were chosen randomly, so that couples had sex without regard for any of the heritable traits of their partner, behavior that would win high praise from the egalitarians, the results would not be pretty. Those who are best at increasing their numbers will do so and, once the earth can no longer support any more humans (and after it is thoroughly polluted and many other species have been driven extinct), those who are best at surviving in those overcrowded and desperate conditions will increase their numbers; when there are too many people, many of them starving, a modern civilization will no longer be possible. Just as fish trapped in a dark cave for millions of years become blind because sight is no longer needed for reproductive success, so humans would lose the alleles for the traits needed for reproductive success in a modern civilization, such as abstract thinking, impulse control, long term planning, altruism, and cooperativeness. At some point, they would be “human,” only in the loosest sense of the word. Eugenics, influencing the heritable qualities of the next generation, is not only desirable, but necessary if we are to remain “human.”
Samuel Ramirez
The reason eugenics is feared, even by biologists who ought to know better, can be answered in a single word, “government.” When those who control the government make eugenic decisions for everyone else, the decisions are made on the basis of which traits are most desired by the people who control the government, not on the basis of what traits you want your child to have. And what traits do those who control the government want those who do not control the government to have? Well, like the New Soviet Man, they should be compliant and ready to sacrifice themselves for the good of the state or, more accurately, for the benefit of those who control the state. If we take government out of the picture, we are left with individuals making their own eugenic decisions, selecting all sorts of different traits that they personally find desirable, based on their own experiences. In 1980, Robert Graham started a sperm bank that made the sperm of Nobel Prize winners (“geniuses”) available to women who wanted to become pregnant. It closed in 1999. Sperm banks have discovered that women do not choose sperm just on the basis of the intelligence or success of the donor. They pick the physical characteristics they want in their child, usually selecting characteristics similar to themselves. They certainly want a healthy good-looking child of above-average intelligence but, after that, they select on the basis of all sorts of quirky things, such as does the sperm donor like cats, was he born on a farm, is he a good swimmer, etc.?
If people make their own eugenic decisions, and the technology is available to implement those decisions, they will generally select for traits that will improve the health, intelligence, attractiveness, and fitness of the next generation. If government bureaucrats do the selecting, a quite different result is likely. Western countries, for example, by paying more welfare for more children ("You feed, we breed"), provide a perverse incentive that encourages people who are incapable of caring even for themselves to have children, passing on to their children the very alleles that made their parents incompetent, which is surely dysgenic. (“The rich get richer and the poor get children.”) If welfare is to be provided then, at the very least, it should be eugenic and not dysgenic. This can be done by making welfare conditioned on not having children, at least while one is on welfare. “Welfare” is nothing but a transfer of wealth from those who created it, the taxpayers, to those who did not, the tax consumers. In other words, the competent are penalized to benefit the incompetent, which is certainly maladaptive. Surely, it is not unreasonable to say that this coerced transfer of wealth will be tolerated only so long as the recipient does not make the situation worse by having more dependents. A person would still be free to have children, but then he or she would not receive welfare. For women, the condition of not having children could be fulfilled in a variety of ways, such as by proof of the use of a contraceptive patch or other verifiable birth control, infertility (the person is infertile or too old to have children), or sterilization. For men, a reversible or irreversible vasectomy would suffice.
Michael Price
>If no one practiced eugenics and mates were chosen randomly, so that couples had sex without regard for any of the heritable traits of their partner, behavior that would win high praise from the egalitarians, the results would not be pretty. youtube.com/watch?v=vTykeWsaBcw
Given evidence that high testosterone levels and low serotonin levels are heritable and correlate with violence, another policy that could be instituted without coercion would be to provide incentives to violent felons (who will eventually be let out of prison) if they agree to be sterilized. These incentives could include better prison facilities or privileges, or a slightly lower sentence. Before we leave the subject of eugenics, let’s consider one other issue: Could eugenics itself be maladaptive? That is, by selecting the traits we want in our children could we be making it less likely that they will be able to survive and reproduce? Surely very few parents would intentionally do that but, since we cannot know the future, it is always possible to make a poor decision. On the other hand, if the selection is voluntary, people can always avoid making any decision at all and let nature take its course, perhaps thereby having more successful children.
Lincoln Jenkins
Man. that ancap must have got his shit pushed in.
Jeremiah Kelly
That's hard core eugenics. Soft core eugenics is much more applicable to the general Human population. Simply pay people who meet a specific genetic criteria to have more kids.
Now most people generally don't understand that in an objective sense defined through practical and or innovative utility. They aren't special. Most people(Sub Saharan apes included) generally don't have an IQ above the threshold of one hundred. Why do you need an IQ above one hundred? Well in order to innovate in any given scientific field, you must have the ability to decipher information proficiently. You ability to decipher information proficiently is dependent on the genes you were dealt. Alright so how does this relate to genociding retards and or the title of the thread? Well since society is enabling retards to reproduce through government subsidies, a lot of "genetic trash" has started to accumulate within the parameters of Western nations. Sadly since the process of evolution works through death and natural selection, this "genetic trash" has to be taken out. Either by a war, or a societal collapse.
Genetic engineering your kids is just cuckloding with less steps. Unless you're screening the embyros for the best possible version of your kids, they're just gonna put nigger athlete genes and that one mutt, Chris Langan, in there with a white skin and blue eye surface.
>that pic >not wanting a reservoir filled with a bunch of Vargs for entertainment purposes
Oliver Campbell
Cybernetics>genetic engineering. Editing the genes of anything but an embryo from my understanding has no effect. So if you're reading this the only way you'll benefit from transhumanism is through Cybernetic enhancements
Robert Morales
Digital age is satanic
Solar-emp resistant analog infrastructure only correct civilization
Chase Baker
>we're only as fragile as we allow ourselves to be. sending automated probes to other planets serves no purpose for our species beyond gathering information for future colonization efforts. otherwise we will remain a single planet species and eventually die from some sort of cataclysmic extinction event. When I say advanced AI I mean it. Like creating robotic life. Robots with advanced AI are the next step in evolution for us. It is the key to space travel as well, because robots can turn themselves off and sleep for millions of years, then wake up at their destination. Organic humans could be stored in dna and created on the new planet by these advanced robotic lifeforms.
Dominic Rogers
Thanks, OP. Last thread really was a shit show. If we start genically engineering humans, we absolutely need a massive sub class who don't get the treatment, in case we need healthy normal genes. We will first only be able to build upon before we can create, so if something goes wrong, we accidentally delete/alter a vital gene or something, we need a backup population to get the most healthy gene variant back. Thoughts?
>gender studies degree is as valid as anyone else's degree.
Holy shit this is bad, like drinking the cyanide gallon with kool-aid flavoring.
If women with stem degrees bothered get gender studies degrees too it would be clear to that woman how fucking dumb she is. Gender studies would be a lot better with scientific experimentation.
William Flores
Oh my COD. It looks like they were killed by a nigger or something.
I want to shoot lasers from my eyes and have syntetic muscles that improve my physical capabilities. Fuck yeah.
Leo Ross
No reason for anyone to oppose engineering a populace with an average IQ that is now considered genius level.
Leo Price
This is very very common. People have done it for ethnic/racial unity. It gets very deep but the enigma is that countries with common forefathers or stemming from same empire. Tended to look very similar then as is evident. However after breaking up their gurus chose selective engineering for regional unity and to halt spying. Many choose either to make their peoples more ‘attractive’ others do it to make their people less attractive due to war psychology. I know of a US military officer that argues that black or original African person had thin straight hair like silk but after a catastrophe their gurus chose hair as their racial identity.
Thomas Butler
Supposedly African hair is inverted growth it’s what gives it texture. Same way blond hair is said to have been influenced by cilia and thin hairs on body. They just locked in selected traits from original man to suffer their region.
Andrew Gray
STOP CLONING ME
Henry Gutierrez
Britbong what are you doing??!? The tranny policemen are already mobilizing to break down your door and drag you to rape camp for this wrongthink!
Jeremiah Sullivan
Just look at all those premature hairs on your arms or extremities that are so light they look blond. Usually hide under coarser set of hairs. Imagine that growing on a persons head.
Brody Diaz
An associate of mine his ancestor created a peach tree with raspberries growing inside around the core. He likes it to make juices. He markets these gmo fruits to the juicing industry and juicers...Cost efficient. This has existed for atleast since the 50s. What makes you think our ancestors didn’t know something.
